Naruto vs Sasuke

[Noble Armada]

All I've been seeing on thread is people posting that Naruto is constantly getting saved by people and can't do anything on his own. And that Sasuke never has any help from anyone. I'd like to take a moment and objectively list the events of each character's time in the manga, including training, people saved, and people saved by.

Naruto trained with:
1. Jiraiya.
2. Kakashi to learn Rasenshuriken.
3. Fukasaku-sama to gain Sage Mode.
4. Yamato/Killer B to access Kyuubi's chakra.
5. Killer B to control Kyuubi's chakra.

Sasuke trained with:
1. Orochimaru to learn sword stuff, lightning stuff, general ninjutsu/taijutsu.
- Sasuke has not trained with anyone else. He got the Mangekyou from Itachi, and later gained the EMS by implanting Itachi's eyes. Point being, yes, Sasuke is a genius, but Naruto has worked his ass off to gain the power he has, easily matching Sasuke. They are EQUALS, just like Hashirama and Madara were (minus the fact that Madara lost).

Next, let's look at who's helped them, excluding teachers.

Naruto has been helped/saved by (in big fights):
1. Minato (Pain)
2. Hinata (Pain)
3. Kushina (Kyuubi)
4. Killer B (Kyuubi/Tobi)
5. Kakashi/Gai (Tobi)

Sasuke has been helped/saved by (in big fights):
1. Itachi (if Itachi had actually been aiming to kill him, he would have been dead. So I consider this Itachi helping him)
2. Itachi (Orochimaru; the snake freak would have taken over Sasuke if Itachi hadn't sealed him)
2. Karin (B)
3. Juugo (B)
4. Suigetsu (B)
5. Zetsu (Kage)
6. Tobi (Kage)

So in this respect, they're somewhat evenly matched. I'm even pressed to put it that Karin helped him in the fight versus Danzou, but Katsuyu also helped Naruto in the fight with Pain, so we'll ignore the intel.

In the end, my point is not that one is better than the other. My point is stop being Uchiha fanboys/girls and ignoring the fact that Naruto is extremely powerful and that Sasuke is not infallible. Yes, Naruto's had a lot of help in the fight against Tobi, but he also has a dozen clones elsewhere, still fighting. He's not even fighting at full capacity right now, and he's still not doing that badly. Sasuke has had just as much assistance as Naruto has, and he has had his power handed to him on a silver platter.

Flame if you want, but point out why. Or you're gonna be ignored.

 

[Hyperion]

Troll Thread of the Week.

 

[Infinite Mizu]

ill just answer Naruto

 

[Hipster Madara]

Ppl usually overrate naruto and underrate sasuke tbh but yes they are equal

 

[Mizukage88]

naruto ultimatly will win in the end

 

[Illyasviel]

when they fight i will be a draw and then sakura will heel naruto a sasuke hopefully dies

 

[Noble Armada]

The thing is, this wasn't meant to be a troll thread, and it wasn't really meant to be a poll. It's just supposed to be an objective comparison, and I'd like to hear people's thoughts on my logic. No troll-o.

 

[Catalyst]

obviously naurto :|
wat kind of dumb@$$ question is this.....? why the f*ck would the show be called naruto if he didnt win....damn trolls -_-

 

[Punk Hazard]

Troll Thread of the Week.

a lot of the things in that post were true though

 

[Noble Armada]

obviously naurto :|
wat kind of dumb@$$ question is this.....? why the f*ck would the show be called naruto if he didnt win....damn trolls -_-

THANK you. But this doesn't seem to matter to Sasuke fanpersons...annoying.

Slash I love your avatar pic

 

[Blaze Release]

Allow me to tear this thread up.
Firstly both have gotten help in the majority of their fight in shippuden. But people usually say sasuke has gotten more help.

Naruto vs itachi clone; he needed sakura and chiyo to dispell the genjutsu
Naruto vs sasuke; the fox somehow convinced sasuke not to kill naruto, also oro saved team seven.
Naruto vs kakuzu; kakuzu was half dead and yet naruto couldnt kill him the first time and needed kakashi and yamato to save him, before he used the fuiuton rasengan, the second time and this time it got kakuzu.
Naruto vs pein; minato, hinata, kyuubi
Naruto vs nagato; itachi
Naruto vs tobi; gai and kakashi


Sasuke vs itachi; itachi saved him
Sasuke vs bee; kirin, suigetsu, juugo
Sasuke vs kage's; zetsu, tobi

Sasuke beat oro, deidora and danzo without anybody's help. Sasuke has already figured danzo's tech out before kirin told him.

As for the training, ive argued all the time that kishimoto focuses on naruto;s training because he's is more interesting because as its been noted training sasuke is boring because he learns quickly due to being a genuis and also the sharigan. I mean kishi hasnt even show us much from ems sasuke

Talking about traning, the best way to train is to be in fights and before the war started sasuke had more fighting feats than naruto

 

[orona]

everything beast that sasuke has was given to him(curse mark; ms-amaterasu,tsukuyomi,susanoo; ems-itachi's eyes were given to him), aside from chidori which he learned and oro jutsus which he basically stole.


when it comes to being saved i look at it like this
when he "beat" deidara he used manda's body for cover (which is kinda saving himself but still)

had itachi wanted to kill him, he'd be dead. instead he removed the curse mark which in turn saved him from being taken over by oro.(pretty much saved him twice)

then against bee he pretty much died once,got saved by first suigetsu/jugo can't remember(got him away from bee who was gonna finish him off) then by karin who healed him on the spot
he then almost died again when he got the lariat from hell and his chest and neck were literally blown apart but jugo sacrificed his body to remake sasuke's chest turning himself into a kid
then bee went hachibi and would have finished it had suigetsu not been a thug and taken a TBB straight to the face

now at the summit he would have died when the raikage showed up but suigetsu and jugo both jumped into the fight so that it would be 3-on-3, basically saving his cocky ass from commiting accidental suicide due to arrogance
then he uses susanoo and amaterasu to save himself but i consider this itachi saving his ass cuz he literally gave both to sasuke and he would have died otherwise, actually he still would have died but garra saved him from raikages guillotine drop
now he's in the kage room and he would have been merced by mizukage had zetsu not restored his chakra and saved his ass
then almost immediately after would have been wasted by tsuchikage had tobi not interfered
now after having just been saved by zetsu then tobi, karin is told to heal him while they are in the dimensional void or watever that place was

after his fight with danzo when team 7 showed up one by one he would have been killed due to the two facts that he was pretty much out of chakra and he had just gone blind but zetsu and tobi get in the way and take him away to get itachi's eyes transplanted





naruto on the other hand has never been given a damn thing, he learned how to use red chakra, summoning, the rasengan, nature manipulation, rasenshuriken, sage mode, and kyubbi mode(as well as anything else he can do) through hard work and persistence

being saved, hinata saved him from pain, then almost died unleashing 6 tails demon form
pain caught naruto w/ CT causing 8 tails of power
minato came and suppresed the kyubbi chakra which totally saved naruto, then he beat pain with sage mode

next was bee and kushina helping in his fight with the kyubbi

followed by bee, gai and kakashi helping to fight tobi and the jinchuriki


basically what i'm saying is that sasuke is a chump who has been pretty much handed the power that he has and he still somehow needs to be saved almost every other episode he's in.

where naruto is a champ who worked his ass off for everything he's earned and he very rarely needs to be saved let alone even helped

if you see it otherwise more power to you but if you plan on trying to contradict me then you had better back it up with facts or realize that you are a sasuke fanboy

 

[Hyperion]

a lot of the things in that post were true though

Nah... I know that.
But this will end up with trolls and become troll bait.

I wasn't specific, my bad.

 

[uchia kid]

No offense but your tread is a bit silly especially the part about 'who they were saved/helped by',as far as i am concerned at least 97% of the shinobes in naruto has had their life saved by some someone on more than one occasion.

Also Naruto has to train because he has no natural talent/source of power unlike sasuke where his sharingan(which he was destined to have) is his source of power.sasuke's strength is focused through his eyes,so when his eyes gets stronger he gets stronger.

You were spot on though about them being equals.

 

[Noble Armada]

No offense but your tread is a bit silly especially the part about 'who they were saved/helped by',as far as i am concerned at least 97% of the shinobes in naruto has had their life saved by some someone on more than one occasion.

Also Naruto has to train because he has no natural talent/source of power unlike sasuke where his sharingan(which he was destined to have) is his source of power.sasuke's strength is focused through his eyes,so when his eyes gets stronger he gets stronger.

You were spot on though about them being equals.

I agree with you about the shinobi being saved by other people, but that's a big thing for people when they try to point out Naruto's flaws. I merely wanted to point out that Sasuke has had help, too.

 

[Noble Armada]

Allow me to tear this thread up.
Firstly both have gotten help in the majority of their fight in shippuden. But people usually say sasuke has gotten more help.

Naruto vs itachi clone; he needed sakura and chiyo to dispell the genjutsu
Naruto vs sasuke; the fox somehow convinced sasuke not to kill naruto, also oro saved team seven.
Naruto vs kakuzu; kakuzu was half dead and yet naruto couldnt kill him the first time and needed kakashi and yamato to save him, before he used the fuiuton rasengan, the second time and this time it got kakuzu.
Naruto vs pein; minato, hinata, kyuubi
Naruto vs nagato; itachi
Naruto vs tobi; gai and kakashi


Sasuke vs itachi; itachi saved him
Sasuke vs bee; kirin, suigetsu, juugo
Sasuke vs kage's; zetsu, tobi

Sasuke beat oro, deidora and danzo without anybody's help. Sasuke has already figured danzo's tech out before kirin told him.

As for the training, ive argued all the time that kishimoto focuses on naruto;s training because he's is more interesting because as its been noted training sasuke is boring because he learns quickly due to being a genuis and also the sharigan. I mean kishi hasnt even show us much from ems sasuke

Talking about traning, the best way to train is to be in fights and before the war started sasuke had more fighting feats than naruto

Let me counter your arguments with some of my own. Firstly, the fight with Kakuzu wasn't Naruto's fight. He showed up long after the fight had begun and dealt one serious blow. If anything, that was Kakashi's fight and Naruto helped him.

That first little thing with Sasuke wasn't a fight, and it certainly wasn't one of Naruto's. Even if it had been, Naruto's shock at seeing Sasuke would have given Sasuke the win. Again, though, not a real fight.

The fight with Itachi doesn't count. I know Naruto wouldn't have beaten Itachi before he had either the Sage Mode or the Kyuubi Mode. And yeah, they dispelled the genjutsu, but again, Kakashi did most of the fighting.

The fight against Nagato wasn't really Naruto's fight; it was a team effort, and again, Sasuke has never fought anyone of that caliber until the Kage.

Sasuke did not beat Orochimaru. He had NO ARMS and his body was falling apart; I'm sure Naruto could have taken him out then, too.

Yes, Sasuke figured out the overall effect of Izanagi himself, but only because Karin was calling out when Danzou's chakra dipped, allowing him to figure out when the technique was being used.

Kishi doesn't focus on Naruto's training because it's interesting, he focuses on his training because it's happening. Naruto had to learn how to activate and control Sage Mode and Kyuubi Mode; Sasuke received both the MS and EMS from other people. He didn't do any training to receive those things.

And let's also take into account the level of ninja they are fighting and the odds:

Naruto vs Pain, leader of Akatsuki - 6 on 1 (had help, yes, but still, the odds were still not in his favor, even with that help)
Naruto vs Tobi, true leader of Akatsuki - 7 on 2(4). Even with Kakashi and Gai, the odds are still against him. And keep in mind, Naruto still has a dozen clones fighting elsewhere; if not, he would have used the Rasenshuriken by now.

Sasuke vs Deidara, member of Akatsuki - 1 on 1 (Sasuke's win, absolutely)
Sasuke vs Danzo, Rokudaime Hokage - 1 on 1 (In this case, Danzo could not use his most powerful genjutsu, putting him at a disadvantage. And Karin was helping a little, too. Still, his win.)
Sasuke vs Kages, leaders of Villages - 5 on 1 (Yes, the odds are against Sasuke here, but he got TROUNCED in this fight. He was protected from certain death TWICE; if Zetsu hadn't incapacitated the Mizukage, she would have melted him, and he was rescued from the business end of a technique that DISINTEGRATES you.)

Listen, I'm not trying to start trouble, and I'm not trying to deny that Sasuke is talented. I'm just tired of people thinking that the insanely OPed Sharingan = can't lose. Cuz it doesn't.

 

[Blaze Release]

Spoiler

Let me counter your arguments with some of my own. Firstly, the fight with Kakuzu wasn't Naruto's fight. He showed up long after the fight had begun and dealt one serious blow. If anything, that was Kakashi's fight and Naruto helped him.

That first little thing with Sasuke wasn't a fight, and it certainly wasn't one of Naruto's. Even if it had been, Naruto's shock at seeing Sasuke would have given Sasuke the win. Again, though, not a real fight.

The fight with Itachi doesn't count. I know Naruto wouldn't have beaten Itachi before he had either the Sage Mode or the Kyuubi Mode. And yeah, they dispelled the genjutsu, but again, Kakashi did most of the fighting.

The fight against Nagato wasn't really Naruto's fight; it was a team effort, and again, Sasuke has never fought anyone of that caliber until the Kage.

Sasuke did not beat Orochimaru. He had NO ARMS and his body was falling apart; I'm sure Naruto could have taken him out then, too.

Yes, Sasuke figured out the overall effect of Izanagi himself, but only because Karin was calling out when Danzou's chakra dipped, allowing him to figure out when the technique was being used.

Kishi doesn't focus on Naruto's training because it's interesting, he focuses on his training because it's happening. Naruto had to learn how to activate and control Sage Mode and Kyuubi Mode; Sasuke received both the MS and EMS from other people. He didn't do any training to receive those things.

And let's also take into account the level of ninja they are fighting and the odds:

Naruto vs Pain, leader of Akatsuki - 6 on 1 (had help, yes, but still, the odds were still not in his favor, even with that help)
Naruto vs Tobi, true leader of Akatsuki - 7 on 2(4). Even with Kakashi and Gai, the odds are still against him. And keep in mind, Naruto still has a dozen clones fighting elsewhere; if not, he would have used the Rasenshuriken by now.

Sasuke vs Deidara, member of Akatsuki - 1 on 1 (Sasuke's win, absolutely)
Sasuke vs Danzo, Rokudaime Hokage - 1 on 1 (In this case, Danzo could not use his most powerful genjutsu, putting him at a disadvantage. And Karin was helping a little, too. Still, his win.)
Sasuke vs Kages, leaders of Villages - 5 on 1 (Yes, the odds are against Sasuke here, but he got TROUNCED in this fight. He was protected from certain death TWICE; if Zetsu hadn't incapacitated the Mizukage, she would have melted him, and he was rescued from the business end of a technique that DISINTEGRATES you.)

Listen, I'm not trying to start trouble, and I'm not trying to deny that Sasuke is talented. I'm just tired of people thinking that the insanely OPed Sharingan = can't lose. Cuz it doesn't.

Whether it wasnt naruto's fight or it was a team fight, but point still stands. He had help.

Also sasuke did beat oro, sure oro was weakened but sasuke still won

 

[Noble Armada]

Whether it wasnt naruto's fight or it was a team fight, but point still stands. He had help.

Also sasuke did beat oro, sure oro was weakened but sasuke still won

Orochimaru was not weakened, he was DYING. There's a difference. At that point, even Naruto pre-Sage could have kicked his ass.