I mean, what´s with the different names? First haki was first introduced in skypiea as mantra, second haki introduced in water 7 as tekkai and 3rd haki introduced in the begining as eye contact/screaming orders while making the angriest face you can to intimidate the enemy which have been used long before by characters.
So... 1st haki=Mantra 2nd haki=Tekkai 3rd haki=Screaming orders
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1st haki/mantra enables you to predict your opponent's move
2nd haki makes your attack and defence more powerfull & enables you to damage logia types without having to find their weakness first.
3rd haki is used to overwhelm those with weak willpower with your own making them fall unconcious, not the whole screaming stuff.. that was just Luffy raging which activated his dormant 3rd haki.
Tekkai has nothing to do with Haki, that's just good control over the muscles and all I guess.
2nd haki makes your attack and defence more powerfull & enables you to damage logia types without having to find their weakness first.
3rd haki is used to overwhelm those with weak willpower with your own making them fall unconcious, not the whole screaming stuff.. that was just Luffy raging which activated his dormant 3rd haki.
Tekkai has nothing to do with Haki, that's just good control over the muscles and all I guess.
Tekkai is not Haki. Tekkai has no connection to haki.
Tekkai is just one training his own body to be as strong as steel.
Haki is willpower.
You cannot touch logia users with tekkai, but you can with haki.
When someone using tekkai punches Luffy, he doesn't feel much pain because he is rubber, when someone punches him using haki, Luffy feels the pain.
Tekkai is just one training his own body to be as strong as steel.
Haki is willpower.
You cannot touch logia users with tekkai, but you can with haki.
When someone using tekkai punches Luffy, he doesn't feel much pain because he is rubber, when someone punches him using haki, Luffy feels the pain.
Well, you can´t really make that claim yet and tekkai isn´t someone training their bodies to be hard as steel, they have to use some force to make their bodies like steel otherwise they can´t withstand more then a normal human can, that is tekkai and haki is where you make your body harder by making an invisible armor, isn´t that the same thing?
Someone who trains tekkai doesn´t have a body hard as steel 24/7, that´s not how it works, they must activate the effect before they can become steel.
Besides, no one has tried to punch luffy while using tekkai, so far it´s been used for defense only and we haven´t seen anyone punch someone logia or not while using tekkai but it may happen, i say they are connected and wait untill we see coby punch luffy while using tekkai=haki, we know coby has used some other cp9 tricks and he has probably full control over the haki that hear voices and know others presence.
Untill it is confirmed, i won´t make any claim but so far, it´s apparent that they are connected cuz they do the same thing, except for hitting logia but we haven´t seen it do that yet.
Monkey d garp
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no haki and tekkai are not connected,haki enables you to to pass by the power of a devil fruit user while attacking him and tekkai only hardens your body and like you said armament haki creates an invisible armor and is not hardening your body like tekkai your body and you are right 1st haki is mantra they only call it mantra in skypia (rayleigh mentioned this when he explained luffy what haki is but i don´t understand what you mean with 3rd haki=screaming orders?Because 3rd haki is the power of your will and makes your opponent unconscious while the other thing is just an intimidate look which has not the slightest thing to do with haki how can you say it´s the same?
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Boa Hancock
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Stop trying to find loopholes dude.
Tekkai is a technique from Rokushiki, a Martial Art.
Haki is a supplement to fighting techniques, whether you use DFs or not.
Tekkai is a technique from Rokushiki, a Martial Art.
Haki is a supplement to fighting techniques, whether you use DFs or not.
Talk No Jutsu
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You don't have to look constipated to use Haoshoku Haki, you just let it go.
Tekkai:
The Tekkai (鉄塊 Tekkai?, literally meaning "Iron Mass") hardens the users' muscles to the level of iron, in order to nullify damage taken from attacks. However, it can be broken by strong enough forces such as Luffy's various Gears, Roronoa Zoro's Shishi Sonson and Tatsumaki, Sanji's Diable Jambe and Franky's Strong Hammer. When Tekkai is active, the user is unable to move, with the exception of Jabra's Tekkai Kenpo. Tekkai can also be used to enhance the users attacks, similar to Busoshoku Haki. The strength of Tekkai can vary for users with different physical conditions, as a person with a higher level of muscular strength would be able to take stronger forces with his/her use of Tekkai. Furthermore, despite the increased physical density that one gains when activating this move, one should remember that the user's body is still flesh and blood. Thus, its resistance to other than solid attacks remain pretty much the same, making the user as vulnerable as ever to certain attacks. An example was during Sanji's fight with Jabra where he used the burning force of friction to incinerate through the latter's Tekkai or when Franky used his actual iron fist to break through Fukuro's Tekkai. As such, even masters of Tekkai are far from indestructible. However, for Rob Lucci, he seemed to be able to resist even cannonball flames at 13 years old. In the Viz Manga and FUNimation subs, this is called Iron Body.
The defense mechanic of it is similar to Haki, but it is not haki.
When using Tekkai, you harden your muscles, tense em, making your body hard as steel.
Armament haki, you coat your body with your willpower. o_o No connection.
"Tekkai is similar to Busoshoku Haki, as both reinforce the users body in some way, the difference being that Haki is based on the user's willpower and Tekkai is based on the user's physical power.
Tekkai also appears to be based on the Iron Shirt technique in Chinese martial arts."
Tekkai condenses ones muscles, achieved through physical training. CONFIRMED in the manga.
Haki is the usage of ones willpower, doesn't have anything to do with physical power. CONFIRMED in the manga.
While tekkai protects one from physics harm like a punch or a sword cut, one can still get burned(for example if Akainu uses his df to attack one with tekkai) or frozen(aokiji) while using tekkai, while haki protects against such things.(Again seen when Marco attacks Akainu and when Shanks stops akainus fist with his sword, without the sword getting melted).
The Tekkai (鉄塊 Tekkai?, literally meaning "Iron Mass") hardens the users' muscles to the level of iron, in order to nullify damage taken from attacks. However, it can be broken by strong enough forces such as Luffy's various Gears, Roronoa Zoro's Shishi Sonson and Tatsumaki, Sanji's Diable Jambe and Franky's Strong Hammer. When Tekkai is active, the user is unable to move, with the exception of Jabra's Tekkai Kenpo. Tekkai can also be used to enhance the users attacks, similar to Busoshoku Haki. The strength of Tekkai can vary for users with different physical conditions, as a person with a higher level of muscular strength would be able to take stronger forces with his/her use of Tekkai. Furthermore, despite the increased physical density that one gains when activating this move, one should remember that the user's body is still flesh and blood. Thus, its resistance to other than solid attacks remain pretty much the same, making the user as vulnerable as ever to certain attacks. An example was during Sanji's fight with Jabra where he used the burning force of friction to incinerate through the latter's Tekkai or when Franky used his actual iron fist to break through Fukuro's Tekkai. As such, even masters of Tekkai are far from indestructible. However, for Rob Lucci, he seemed to be able to resist even cannonball flames at 13 years old. In the Viz Manga and FUNimation subs, this is called Iron Body.
The defense mechanic of it is similar to Haki, but it is not haki.
When using Tekkai, you harden your muscles, tense em, making your body hard as steel.
Armament haki, you coat your body with your willpower. o_o No connection.
"Tekkai is similar to Busoshoku Haki, as both reinforce the users body in some way, the difference being that Haki is based on the user's willpower and Tekkai is based on the user's physical power.
Tekkai also appears to be based on the Iron Shirt technique in Chinese martial arts."
They basically do the same thing, but are still very different things.
Tekkai condenses ones muscles, achieved through physical training. CONFIRMED in the manga.
Haki is the usage of ones willpower, doesn't have anything to do with physical power. CONFIRMED in the manga.
While tekkai protects one from physics harm like a punch or a sword cut, one can still get burned(for example if Akainu uses his df to attack one with tekkai) or frozen(aokiji) while using tekkai, while haki protects against such things.(Again seen when Marco attacks Akainu and when Shanks stops akainus fist with his sword, without the sword getting melted).
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Monkey d garp
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you´re right i think this guy is making this stupid threat on purpose to bash over one piece and find plot holes when there obviously aren´t any
OK, i get it, but one thing off topic: How come marco and vista used haki on akainu, hit him in the neck and shoulder while nothing happened, he only said he felt their hits more but that was it, i thought you could punch a logia person like they´re normal and start bleeding and everything but this was different, also when whitebeard hit kizaru with his bisento, normally everything goes through him cuz he´s a lightman but whitebeard hit him with his bisento which means he must have used haki but nothing happened, he didn´t get cut or anything, he just became physical.
Boa Hancock
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DF training over the years. Being a logia, you can train your DF to the point where automatic dispersion just happens. Ace had his DF for less than 2 years, and it's different with some people like the Admirals who have trained their DFs to the fullest.
How do you know that, i had the theory of maybe them using their haki to prevent others haki to cut through their logia bodies, in other words, the 2 opposing hakis cancel each other out so that they become truly invincible.
Akainu's haki was obviously stronger then theirsl, so that could be the reason why it didn't affect him, it doesn't cancel eachother out since Kizaru got kicked with haki by Marco and it had effect.
Boa Hancock
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Enel, Luffy's past, and Akainu.
Enel mentioned something about developing the skill of restarting his heart in case he ever got caught off guard. It was useful.
Luffy never got the Pistol right until 10 years later.
Akainu mentioned the difference of experience between him and Ace.
With that we can infer that DFs can be improved, just like how Luffy managed to develop Gear 2 and 3.
Haki is not a fighting style. It's a supplement to your chosen fighting style, and it doesn't mean that you have it you automatically win against a non-haki user. Take Aisa for example. She has Mantra. Does that mean she wins against Usopp? No she doesn't.
He got sent into a wall :| or atleast he did that himself to avoid it, the reason the kick would have had more effect on Kizaru then the bisento did on Akainu could be experience and level of Haki.
He wasn´t trying to avoid anything, he was just playing like he got hit and sent himself flying into a wall to make marco look good but he was mocking him. Other marines and the no-name pirates really thought he overpowererd kizaru.
Well the reason Akainu didn't take much damage from Marco and neither did Kizaru from Marcos kick is because even without their DF, the admirals are REALLY strong, and have great endurance. And also they have armament haki as well, so the can use their DF to protect their body, but if someone uses Haki to hit them, they can use haki to protect themselves from taking too much damage.
Whitebeard hit Akainu many times using haki, and you could see that he took alot of damage, but he was still able to fight and still able to hold his own against almost all the whitebeard commanders. That shows the endurance and battle prowess of an admiral
Whitebeard hit Akainu many times using haki, and you could see that he took alot of damage, but he was still able to fight and still able to hold his own against almost all the whitebeard commanders. That shows the endurance and battle prowess of an admiral