2nd hokage the best?

[Owarij]

He isn't the strongest , he's madara's level... why?


Izuna was said to be = Madara, but Madara was older, so became the clan head , izuna became the 2nd head...but both of them were just equally strong

If uchiha and senju clashed, Hashirama would face Madara, and izuna face tobirama, To hold his own against him means he could also against Madara, which means he's up there in fighting capabilities...

 

[human kage]

The 2nd is pretty amazing and he is one of the strongest ninjas to live in narutoverse but the first had control over all bijuus and he had wood release.
He also was immortal unlike his brother (not sure if 2nd is immortal or not)

none of them are immortal they both senju they long lives

 

[natssuu]

He's the strongest Kage of his time.

 

[-The Agent-]

not really, the rivalry was between hashirama and madara, i dont think that if tobirama became hokage instead would instantly make him fight madara

DO you watch Naruto? Hashirama fought Madara even before he became Hokage. He was leader of the Senju long before the alliance and before they created Konoha. Face it he is stronger than his brother.

lol but aren't they going after his dna for wood style plus his the older brother senju protect ther comrades unlike uchiha would and wanted to deal with madara alone 1v1

You don't see my point? Hashirama has a bloodline limit the senju clan. Wonder why nobody says " let me get the 2nd Hokage's DNA" He's not as special as the first he's not as strong as the first. Stop making up things man.

 

[The7thHokage]

none of them are immortal they both senju they long lives

Then my mistake...
Thx

 

[-Vegeta-]

He's strong but I don't think he's the strongest.

 

[Owarij]

DO you watch Naruto? Hashirama fought Madara even before he became Hokage. He was leader of the Senju long before the alliance and before they created Konoha. Face it he is stronger than his brother.



You don't see my point? Hashirama has a bloodline limit the senju clan. Wonder why nobody says " let me get the 2nd Hokage's DNA" He's not as special as the first he's not as strong as the first. Stop making up things man.

Your point is actually flawwed.....People just want hashiramas bloodline because its cool and can controll bijuu......

Bloodline doesn't mean you're stronger.....

Is mei stronger than sasuke? she has two..... Don't really get your point ......just because he has a blood line he's stronger?

 

[siyo]

Hashirama is the strongest senju, and pretty much everybody wants his precious dna, while Tobirama died to bounty hunters.....

 

[human kage]

Hashirama is the strongest senju, and pretty much everybody wants his precious dna, while Tobirama died to bounty hunters.....

well the 2nd didnt have wood release plus they where a team of 20 elite join that killed him read the mange. 20vs 1 plus they where running back to village and the 2nd may had low energy

 

[Owarij]

Hashirama is the strongest senju, and pretty much everybody wants his precious dna, while Tobirama died to bounty hunters.....

20 elite bounty hunters.... tell me what ninja besides

Naruto,Sasuke, Nagato,madara, tobi can survive that....

fIghting 20 ninjas on the level of kakashi,asuma,darui etc , is too much for anyone

 

[-The Agent-]

Your point is actually flawwed.....People just want hashiramas bloodline because its cool and can controll bijuu......

Bloodline doesn't mean you're stronger.....

Is mei stronger than sasuke? she has two..... Don't really get your point ......just because he has a blood line he's stronger?

Lol Because it's cool? How stupid does that sound.

I never actually said just because you have a bloodline automatically makes you stronger. I said that in this case, his bloodline makes him a hell of a lot stronger than his brother. You honestly don't see the point I was trying to make I guess I didn't state it clear enough.

People want Hashirama's DNA not just to control tailed beast. His power is stronger than his brothers. Why would Tobi wait to acquire his DNA just to use Izanagi, he could have easily taken Tobirama's or Tsunade's. They all have senju DNA in them. That the point I was trying to make. In this case his bloodline limit makes him stronger, and more valuable than any other senju.

And meh, Mei is stronger than Sasuke. :shrug:

 

[human kage]

20 elite bounty hunters.... tell me what ninja besides

Naruto,Sasuke, Nagato,madara, tobi can survive that....

fIghting 20 ninjas on the level of kakashi,asuma,darui etc , is too much for anyone

they not bounty hunters They are Kinkaku Force (金角部隊, Kinkaku Butai) was a special team of at least twenty highly skilled shinobi from Kumogakure

 

[-The Agent-]

20 elite bounty hunters.... tell me what ninja besides

Naruto,Sasuke, Nagato,madara, tobi can survive that....

fIghting 20 ninjas on the level of kakashi,asuma,darui etc , is too much for anyone

I actually agree with you here. We don't know the level of the ninjas he faced against.

Only person I can see facing 20 bounty hunters like that is probably the 3rd Raikage from what we've been told.

 

[tahmid10]

but didnt he become the leader because they didn't wanna fight because they are brother and wont kill each other for leadership and the 2nd respected his older bro

WTF?! who told u that?! this is only based on ur opinions. don't add stuff that aren't facts just to help ur cause. im not saying that the second hokage sucks, i respect him. but the fact that ur making up stuff is just plain messed up.

 

[WinterMute]

Hmmmm....just wondering. Because of his water element and general laid back apperance.....Does anybody else picture him as a surfer dude?

 

[human kage]

WTF?! who told u that?! this is only based on ur opinions. don't add stuff that aren't facts just to help ur cause. im not saying that the second hokage sucks, i respect him. but the fact that ur making up stuff is just plain messed up.

dont u have to fight for leadership if u aren't the leader like madara did he wasn't the leader but became it

 

[Owarij]

Lol Because it's cool? How stupid does that sound.

I never actually said just because you have a bloodline automatically makes you stronger. I said that in this case, his bloodline makes him a hell of a lot stronger than his brother. You honestly don't see the point I was trying to make I guess I didn't state it clear enough.

People want Hashirama's DNA not just to control tailed beast. His power is stronger than his brothers. Why would Tobi wait to acquire his DNA just to use Izanagi, he could have easily taken Tobirama's or Tsunade's. They all have senju DNA in them. That the point I was trying to make. In this case his bloodline limit makes him stronger, and more valuable than any other senju.

And meh, Mei is stronger than Sasuke. :shrug:

Lol everyone is going for hashirama's dna because its a 2 in one package....You get his kekke genkai + senju dna... While if you just took any other senju (ie tobirama , tsunade) you just get senju dna......Taking hashiramas is the obvious choice....Kill two birds with one stone..... And his kekke genkai was feared, but i'm just saying that didn't necessarily mean he was stronger, Yes i know he was the strongest senju, but still you made it sound like just because he had it he could beat him

And lol, if kakashi someone praised for his speed throughout the manga, said sussano arrow was too fast to dodge, and danzo couldn't make a hanseal , Mei dies by 1 sussanno arrow

 

[siyo]

well the 2nd didnt have wood release plus they where a team of 20 elite join that killed him read the mange. 20vs 1 plus they where running back to village and the 2nd may had low energy

And? So its Hashi’s fault that Tobirama doesn’t possess wood release? Hashirama was recognized as the strongest senju and he fought several times against Uchiha’s best, Madara Uchiha.

1) His S/T jutsu was worse than both madara’s and minato’s, which means that his tech didn’t belong in with the all-time greats. It also explains why he couldn’t simply escape from the battlefield.
2) His edo was recognized all over the world but, Oro’s and kabuto’s versions were again much better.
3) Kisame rivals his water techniques, and you could even argue the case that Kisame surpassed him in that area.

Tobirama is strong (second best senju), no doubt about it, but you’re overrating him if you think Hashirama, who Tobi said was better, is weaker.

Hashirama's dna is the only thing balancing the major uchiha plots in this manga.

 

[siyo]

20 elite bounty hunters.... tell me what ninja besides

Naruto,Sasuke, Nagato,madara, tobi can survive that....

fIghting 20 ninjas on the level of kakashi,asuma,darui etc , is too much for anyone

1)Third raikage
2)Prime hiruzen
3)4th raikage
4)Onoki
5)Hashirama
6)Muu
7)2nd mizukage
8) arguably gaara

plus everyone you mentioned above.

 

[Owarij]

And? So its Hashi’s fault that Tobirama doesn’t possess wood release? Hashirama was recognized as the strongest senju and he fought several times against Uchiha’s best, Madara Uchiha.

1) His S/T jutsu was worse than both madara’s and minato’s, which means that his tech didn’t belong in with the all-time greats. It also explains why he couldn’t simply escape from the battlefield.
2) His edo was recognized all over the world but, Oro’s and kabuto’s versions were again much better.
3) Kisame rivals his water techniques, and you could even argue the case that Kisame surpassed him in that area.

Tobirama is strong (second best senju), no doubt about it, but you’re overrating him if you think Hashirama, who Tobi said was better, is weaker.

Hashirama's dna is the only thing balancing the major uchiha plots in this manga.

LOL? how do you know his s/t was worse? don't talk bullshit.... Minato just said Tobi's s/t was greater than his and the 2nds..... he categorized all 3 of them , meaning he was talking about really skilled s/t users.....He never said tobirama's was worst than his... you have no idea how his works....

2) His edo was recognized all over the world but, Oro’s and kabuto’s versions were again much better.

You people are mistaking something.....What oro did to edo, was invent the futa tags,that controlled the persons will....Meaning he could control people that wouldn't normally fight for him......Tobirama most likely revived fellow clan mates who he didn't need to control... they would fight for thereselves... Thus fight at full capabilities...

Spoiler

Kisame rivals his water techniques, and you could even argue the case that Kisame surpassed him in that area.

When kisame can make a water jutsu with no water source, Sure
When kisame can do a water jutsu that requires 44 handseals, In 1 sure

1)Third raikage
2)Prime hiruzen
3)4th raikage
4)Onoki
5)Hashirama
6)Muu
7)2nd mizukage
8) arguably gaara

plus everyone you mentioned above.

Hiruzen isn't surviving 20 jounin ninja
4th raikage sure
Onoki No
Hashirama no
muu no
mizukage no
gaara in a desert sure, otherwise no