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Kishi's words>anything you say. He's said to be the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha. What's so hard to understand about that?
You are too narrow minded. Read entire dialog, understand it, then talk. That's how literature works. Bee said Shisui was the best. Then Itachi continued by saying why he was considered the best. The reason was obviously Kotoamatsukami. The technique Shisui could use every 10 years.

Just an advice. We are all here to discuss the matter based on proves present in the Manga. Being Kishi's bi*ch is not considered discussing.
 

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You are too narrow minded. Read entire dialog, understand it, then talk. That's how literature works. Bee said Shisui was the best. Then Itachi continued by saying why he was considered the best. The reason was obviously Kotoamatsukami. The technique Shisui could use every 10 years.

Just an advice. We are all here to discuss the matter based on proves present in the Manga. Being Kishi's bi*ch is not considered discussing.
Do you have any proof of this? I don't think so. It's nothing but speculation. I use facts my friend. It's said Shisui is the strongest genjutsu user of the Uchiha and until proven otherwise it's not debatable. You can call me Kishi's bitch all you want, but it just proves your ignorance and immaturity.
 

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Do you have any proof of this? I don't think so. It's nothing but speculation. I use facts my friend. It's said Shisui is the strongest genjutsu user of the Uchiha and until proven otherwise it's not debatable. You can call me Kishi's bitch all you want, but it just proves your ignorance and immaturity.
"Genjutsu able to control an individual without them even noticing." We all know which genjutsu does that.
 

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"Genjutsu able to control an individual without them even noticing." We all know which genjutsu does that.
Yes we do, but you're trying to act like that's the only powerful genjutsu he possessed. To be known as the most powerful genjutsu user of the uchiha means he probably had some pretty powerful genjutsu techniques in his aresenal. I guess you forgot that he also possessed the mangekyou sharingan.
 

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Yes we do, but you're trying to act like that's the only powerful genjutsu he possessed. To be known as the most powerful genjutsu user of the uchiha means he probably had some pretty powerful genjutsu techniques in his aresenal. I guess you forgot that he also possessed the mangekyou sharingan.
Talking about solid proves...

Kotoamatsukami was actually his Mangekyo Sharingan's technique. He could use it once every decade. And that's all we know about that guy's abilities.
 

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Talking about solid proves...

Kotoamatsukami was actually his Mangekyo Sharingan's technique. He could use it once every decade. And that's all we know about that guy's abilities.
With the MS you get 3 abilities and we only know one of his. Anyways the manga specifically states that Shisui is the strongest genjutsu user of the Uchiha. Manga facts are once again better than anything you say. What is this thread about? Who's the strongest genjutsu user? The manga states Shisui is.
 

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Talking about solid proves...

Kotoamatsukami was actually his Mangekyo Sharingan's technique. He could use it once every decade. And that's all we know about that guy's abilities.
Simple reason why Koto Amatsukami is'nt the tech Danzo used: we know Shisui had MS. Itachi had one eye which used the Koto, but Danzo had the other eye. From what we know of the Mangekyuo, since when have both eyes ever had the same power?
 

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character statements are always failable.

remember when Itachi in part 1 said him and kisame could only hope to stalemate jiraya (Lol) but by feats itachi can solo jiraya,

then again everything itachi said in part 1 was a lie and even kisame knew he was acting suspiciouse when they ran away
And you pointed out that everything Itachi did in life after the uchiha massacre was a lie. What reason would Killer Bee have to lie about Shisui being the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha?
 

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With the MS you get 3 abilities and we only know one of his. Anyways the manga specifically states that Shisui is the strongest genjutsu user of the Uchiha. Manga facts are once again better than anything you say. What is this thread about? Who's the strongest genjutsu user? The manga states Shisui is.
And it states why. Because of kotoamatsukami, the most powerful genjutsu usable every 10 years. Until manga shows Shisui's full abilities including genjutsus at least on par with Itachi's tsukuyomi or 2nd Mizukage's illusions, and usable more frequently than once every freaking decade, I'll acknowledge him as the best in that field.
 

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Are you pretending to be dumb?

This thread is not about what the strongest genjutsu is. The strongest genjutsu is Kotoamatsukami, anybody who disagrees is anti-manga. Me and others have already said that Kotoamatsukami is the strongest, however, the strongest GENJUTSU USER is not Shishui, because of the 1 time every 10 years limit his Kotoamatsukami has. The other Genjutsu we saw from his eyes was the Doroyu (or something like that) that Danzo used, which is strong but not stronger than Tsukuyomi, especially when used by Itachi (1 second = 20 days if Itachi wants it). Since Itachi can use Tsukuyomi without a drawback like Kotoamatsukami, Itachi is the better Genjutsu user.

Koto Amatsukami > Tsukuyomi > Doroyu :)
 

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And it states why. Because of kotoamatsukami, the most powerful genjutsu usable every 10 years. Until manga shows Shisui's full abilities including genjutsus at least on par with Itachi's tsukuyomi or 2nd Mizukage's illusions, and usable more frequently than once every freaking decade, I'll acknowledge him as the best in that field.
Well that's your choice. He is said to be the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha so until proven otherwise he is.
 

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Are you pretending to be dumb?

This thread is not about what the strongest genjutsu is. The strongest genjutsu is Kotoamatsukami, anybody who disagrees is anti-manga. Me and others have already said that Kotoamatsukami is the strongest, however, the strongest GENJUTSU USER is not Shishui, because of the 1 time every 10 years limit his Kotoamatsukami has. The other Genjutsu we saw from his eyes was the Doroyu (or something like that) that Danzo used, which is strong but not stronger than Tsukuyomi, especially when Itachi uses (1 second = 20 days if Itachi wants it). Since Itachi can use Tsukuyomi without a drawback like Kotoamatsukami, Itachi is the better Genjutsu user.

Koto Amatsukami > Tsukuyomi > Doroyu :)
Did you not read the pannel where Killer Bee states that Shiusi is the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha? Or are you just too blind to read that?
 
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Simple reason why Koto Amatsukami is'nt the tech Danzo used: we know Shisui had MS. Itachi had one eye which used the Koto, but Danzo had the other eye. From what we know of the Mangekyuo, since when have both eyes ever had the same power?
Nowhere is stated which Shisui's eye had which abilities, or which techniques required the usage of both eyes and which didn't.
 

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And it states why. Because of kotoamatsukami, the most powerful genjutsu usable every 10 years. Until manga shows Shisui's full abilities including genjutsus at least on par with Itachi's tsukuyomi or 2nd Mizukage's illusions, and usable more frequently than once every freaking decade, I'll acknowledge him as the best in that field.
Where does it say that? Stop pulling things out of your ass, it just says he was the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha, that is Bee says that. Bee knew this before hand, yet he did'nt even recognize Koto Amatsukami when it was used on Itachi.
 

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Where does it say that? Stop pulling things out of your ass, it just says he was the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha, that is Bee says that. Bee knew this before hand, yet he did'nt even recognize Koto Amatsukami when it was used on Itachi.
Bee heard of Shisui. That doesn't mean he ever met him or saw him in action.
 

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Btw why are we going by what bee of all people says.

Im not deny what he said somewhat, but i translate what he said as the strongest genjutsu user. Meaning he had the strongest genjutsu available to him to use. Therefore he is the strongest genjutsu user.

And even if we translate what bee meant as 'he is the most skillful genjutsu user of the uchiha', shisui was much older than itachi, therefore there is a high chance that itachi has surpassed him.

For now ill go by what ive seen and that is itachi is the most skillful genjutsu user in the series
 

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Bee heard of Shisui. That doesn't mean he ever met him or saw him in action.
True. I'll admit that point.

However, you have to admit that Danzo spoke of the Doryuko, which was another genjutsu of Shisui's eye.Does'nt make sense for a weak or even average genjutsu to be given its own name. World's greatest genjutsu(with 10 year limit) + fairly strong genjutsu(with few limits)= strongest genjutsu user.
 
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