Strongest Genjutsu User

[Avani]

Read the manga but clearly did'nt understand the implications of it.

If Shisui's eye was strong enough to put a complete illusion on Itachi, and make him follow the command implanted in his eye then he could have put the latter under an illusion before that via a similar command. A command such as, say making him believe he's really Madara.U_U

That's quite an arrogant remark! Shisui/Tobi discussion have been done to death at the base.

Just because you stubbernly refuse to believe that it's not a new idea it doesn't mean rest of the members do not know what you are driving at.

There is a stickied thread above in Manga section. You will find many Tobi ID threads in there. Add yours to it if you think you have any better argument/theory or something really new to add up which is missing from there.

 

[NarutoKage2]

That's quite an arrogant remark! Shisui/Tobi discussion have been done to death at the base.

Just because you stubbernly refuse to believe that it's not a new idea it doesn't mean rest of the members do not know what you are driving at.

There is a stickied thread above in Manga section. You will find many Tobi ID threads in there. Add yours to it if you think you have any better argument/theory or something really new to add up which is missing from there.

Sorry.

But really, this did take some time. And the reason i say it has'nt been made before is it could'nt have(my Tobi=Shisui theory). Why? Because Itachi calls Shisui 'a nameless shinobi who protects peace from within the shadows...'

And only 1 chapter ago Tobi says 'i am Nobody'...
Nobody=nameless, its quite close.
Along with other things.

Again, the intention is/was not to offend so i apologize if that's how it comes across but i just have a strong difference of opinion with you on certain things.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

1.shisui
2.itachi
3.troll kage

 

[ShinobiX]

Itachi, obviously.

Shishui has to wait 10 years for his Genjutsu, Itachi doesn't have that handicap. While Shishui has a STRONGER genjutsu, Itachi is the STRONGER genjutsu USER.

Itachi, still most underrated character.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Itachi, obviously.

Shishui has to wait 10 years for his Genjutsu, Itachi doesn't have that handicap. While Shishui has a STRONGER genjutsu, Itachi is the STRONGER genjutsu USER.

Itachi, still most underrated character.

That was only Koto Amatsukami, the one used on Danzo did'nt have any such waiting period. It could control others with the eye being covered, which is incomparable.

And i think its the other way around, nobody under rates Itachi lol .

 

[ShinobiX]

That was only Koto Amatsukami, the one used on Danzo did'nt have any such waiting period. It could control others with the eye being covered, which is incomparable.

And i think its the other way around, nobody under rates Itachi lol .

What other one? what is the name? so far I only know Koto Amatsukami:

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Is there another technique? can you name it please?

 

[NarutoKage2]

What other one? what is the name? so far I only know Koto Amatsukami:

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Is there another technique? can you name it please?

2 things, :
1. Disregard Naruto wiki, its a FAN made site.
2. Read my first post in this thread. Specifically, under 'Doryuko'(that's the name i remember, i might be wrong) but its definitely a different tech to Koto Amatsukami.

 

[ShinobiX]

2 things, :
1. Disregard Naruto wiki, its a FAN made site.
2. Read my first post in this thread. Specifically, under 'Doryuko'(that's the name i remember, i might be wrong) but its definitely a different tech to Koto Amatsukami.

I googled it, something was mentioned about it during Danzo vs Sasuke fight, which chapter was that? I am going to research it and come back at you later

 

[NarutoKage2]

I googled it, something was mentioned about it during Danzo vs Sasuke fight, which chapter was that? I am going to research it and come back at you later

Lol, dude you just had to read my 1st post in this thread but here:

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That's the other technique, cuz Danzo used Shisui's eye.

 

[These Eyes Are Special]

Shisui but don't forget about kureni. Her genjutsu is said to rival that of itachi.

Very nice post....and you are right...even Itachi acknowledged her power in that regard..

 

[ShinobiX]

Lol, dude you just had to read my 1st post in this thread but here:

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That's the other technique, cuz Danzo used Shisui's eye.

What is this technique called? It sounds allot like Koto Amatsukami...

This is the Doryoku you mentioned:

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It doesn't seem stronger than Itachi's Tsukuyomi. I stand by my first judgement.

While Koto Amatsukami of Shishui is stronger than Itachi's Genjutsu Techniques, the penalty is too big, thus Uchiha Itachi is the stronger Genjutsu User, without having the strongest Genjutsu

 

[NarutoKage2]

What is this technique called? It sounds allot like Koto Amatsukami...

This is the Doryoku you mentioned:

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It doesn't seem stronger than Itachi's Tsukuyomi. I stand by my first judgement.

While Koto Amatsukami of Shishui is stronger than Itachi's Genjutsu Techniques, the penalty is too big, thus Uchiha Itachi is the stronger Genjutsu User, without having the strongest Genjutsu

Now here i disagree. You see, while Itachi's tsukuyomi felt like 3 days, it lasted only an instant in the real world.
Bolded so you'd notice that. Shisui, however could make his genjutsu last much longer than that.....why? Because all the while Mifune was talking, he was under the control of Shisui's eye. That must have been several minutes at least in the real world of the genjutsu being in effect.

That's why i believe Shisui's illusions were stronger. And Danzo still had the ability to use genjutsu as you showed in your link after he controlled Mifune, so his techs were not just usable once only.

 

[UzumakiNarutoFan]

Without a doubt....Shisui is the strongest Genjutsu user....followed by Itachi...

 

[-Vegeta-]

Shisui is the strongest. He was even said to be the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha. Itachi never received a compliment like that.

 

[FloriGlori]

It would seem that you missed some chapters. The ilussion Danzo used on Mifune was Koto Amatsukami. The reason he could have used it again at the end of his battle with Sasuke was that Hashirama's DNA drastically shortens the time-period that Shisui's eye needs to recover. I suggest you read chapter 550 one more time.

It's also fact, and most people don't even know that, that eye contact or looking at his finger is not necessary for Itachi to cast an ilussion. Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu, the powerful Kanashibari no Genjutsu Itachi used on Orochimaru, is activated by merely looking at the enemy - stated in the latest data-book.

They were always said to be equal when it comes to their Dojutsu skills. Shisui's ilussion obviously is the strongest one there is, but without Hashirama's DNA it needs ten years to recover. Also it's unknown if Shisui possessed Koto Amatsukami instead of Tsukuyomi, or if it can be learned, and for that reason it's unknown if Itachi is capable of using a similiar technique - the HQ said, he was able to controll people on a 'short' range.

 

[Minator93]

When you write too much, people will not read.

This

And its Itachi nuff said...

 

[Lentz]

Shisui the best? He could use his Kotoamatsukami only once in 10 freaking years.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Shisui the best? He could use his Kotoamatsukami only once in 10 freaking years.

Yes he is.

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[Lentz]

Yes he is.

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Every 10 years, dude.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Every 10 years, dude.

Kishi's words>anything you say. He's said to be the strongest genjutsu user of the uchiha. What's so hard to understand about that?