CAUTION: Controversial... The Sensei Crisis

[~Deidara~]

THIS IS A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT AND THEREFORE, I AM BANNING BRAWLING ON THIS THREAD. IF YOU INSULT EITHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT, YOU WILL BE REPORTED WITHOUT WARNING. THIS IS WILL LOGICAL PROBLEM-SOLVING. IN FACT, I MEAN NO ILL-WILL AGAINST SENSEIS OR SENPAIS, BUT I AM BEING BLUNT.

Before I begin, I want you to imagine when you first made your RP bio and started to apply for training. What did most senseis say? If your answer any of the following: "No", "Too busy", or any other decline, you are like almost all members.

As many of you know, I posted a

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that i think should be stickied, not because I want the credit, but to eliminate threads like "PLeas train me!" or "Will you train water?", ect. Anyway, I suggest you read it (especially the "Final Words" section) because it outlines the background of this discussion.

Actually, what the hell, here is the direct quote from that that is the part that I wanted you to read:

"One of the biggest problems on the Base involves an extreme lack of senseis. This creates a huge mass of people untrained. This was temporarily fixed with the senpai system, but because of the huge rush of trainees, that system has now also become overwhelmed."

That is what I believe to be the definition of what I call the "Sensei Crisis" I am, as stated above, going to be bold, blunt, and controversial. The main cause of what was stated above, in my opinion, are four things:

1. Too little senseis for the mass group of students, so the test should be made a little easier.

2. Senseis and senpais simply lacking interest in teaching anymore. Many claim to have too many students, but really are socializing on Konoha Town... When you take that rigorous test to become a sensei, you take the burden and responsibility of teaching. You are no longer here to be entertained, you have a JOB on NB.

3. Lack of the staff punishing these types of senseis and senpais. The staff does nothing to punish these people (partly because of favoritism on NB which I can post a whole 'nother thread on) and so they just keep on neglecting to do their job because no one is stopping them.

4. Real life problems. This reason is the only acceptable one.


The point of this thread is how to solve this HUGE problem. It is stunting the growth of new generation RPers and letting the OP old generation fighters get stronger and stronger.

Logically, without insulting anyone, discuss

 

[Nara..]

Good one, I am really interested in teaching, believe me, After I finish my shadow, I will be a nara sempai which will give away and train his CJ for his students

 

[~Deidara~]

thank you... i would like to try to solve that problem here on this thread

 

[Lawliet]

Why didn't you discuss this with... i don't know an admin? :|

 

[~Deidara~]

Why didn't you discuss this with... i don't know an admin? :|

Because I will coldly be rejected, ignored, or dismissed. Here, at least I can at least solve it with fellow members who aren't isolated from real problems, but are experiencing them.

None of this "burn" is related to you personally, Lawliet-chan because you are a sweet person. Others make me infuriated.

 

[Piccolosan]

>.> Its not that easy.

I was a sand sempai for a while and now I am Pervy's sempai...just to train all my students one jutsu it takes me about 20 plus minutes.

Now imagine me training over and over, it will be none stop...this is a point where I want to rp myself or look through threads but if I do people like you complain about not being trained...and this is when I only have 5 for basic and 5 for sand...imagine senseis with a shitload more students.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

1.Making the test easier won't solve the problem, it'll just make it worse. Then you'll get less than competent teachers teaching future RPers, leading them down the wrong path and explaining jutsus wrong, etc. Those students will use them wrong, and when told about that, will be forced to either quit RPing or learn everything over again, which brings up back to step one.

2. You may feel that way but senseis/sempais are still members of the forum who are doing a volunteer job. They aren't forced to teach, it's all a choice. Overworking needs to boredom and them eventually dropping the sensei title (which has happened numerous times in the past), once more leading to the main problem.

3. Just wondering, but if I don't quite feel like training all my students one day or if I teach 4 students but don't reply to the other 6 or 7 students, I should get infracted or in trouble for that? I mean, sometimes when we get online, we like to have fun as well and not have to worry about training all the time..

 

[Toku]

>_>
<_<
>_>
U_U...fml...not another one...

 

[Lawliet]

Because I will coldly be rejected, ignored, or dismissed. Here, at least I can at least solve it with fellow members who aren't isolated from real problems, but are experiencing them.

None of this "burn" is related to you personally, Lawliet-chan because you are a sweet person. Others make me infuriated.

Nexus is the one who is in charge of the senseis and he always replies to questions that can't be found stickied everywhere in the forum.

'Solving it with fellow members'? What can they do for you? This is exactly why your parliament idea failed. You are talking to the wrong people. You should be talking to the staff.

All this thread does is gives a reason for people to spam and repeat the same thing x10000 times.

 

[Alternative]

To be honest, I think the first point is really the only problem here. I really do think the staff need to lower their standards a bit on the sensei tests, which means more sensei and senpai, and more people being trained.

EDIT: Actually reading other peoples' opinions, I think that this is wrong, but if someone makes one little mistake, that shouldn't affect them.

Your other points don't make sense. Telling people they need to train and aren't allowed to have fun here is what would drive people away. Why shouldn't people be allowed to socialise in Konoha Town if they're sensei? That's what would be dragging people away from being a sensei, knowing they can get into trouble like that, and would ultimately end up in less sensei.

 

[Selendrile]

I don't really see a problem with the system...my training has gone by smoothly, and quickly.

 

[-Kratos-]

"One of the biggest problems on the Base involves an extreme lack of senseis. This creates a huge mass of people untrained. This was temporarily fixed with the senpai system, but because of the huge rush of trainees, that system has now also become overwhelmed."

That is what I believe to be the definition of what I call the "Sensei Crisis" I am, as stated above, going to be bold, blunt, and controversial. The main cause of what was stated above, in my opinion, are four things:

1. Too little senseis for the mass group of students, so the test should be made a little easier.

2. Senseis and senpais simply lacking interest in teaching anymore. Many claim to have too many students, but really are socializing on Konoha Town... When you take that rigorous test to become a sensei, you take the burden and responsibility of teaching. You are no longer here to be entertained, you have a JOB on NB.

3. Lack of the staff punishing these types of senseis and senpais. The staff does nothing to punish these people (partly because of favoritism on NB which I can post a whole 'nother thread on) and so they just keep on neglecting to do their job.

4. Real life problems. This reason is the only acceptable one.


The point of this thread is how to solve this HUGE problem. It is stunting the growth of new generation RPers and letting the OP old generation fighters get stronger and stronger.

I personally thank you, literally xd There are senseis here, that are busy, I sincerely respect their honesty, although there are some senseis who can't teach for particular reasons, a sensei, to whom I asked training, didn't teach me due to a personal grudge! These kind of old-fashioned senseis should quit, do we need a sensei who is very experienced in RP but who doesn't have an ethic? NO, NO & NO!

Also the moderators are ignoring this and doing nothing about it, that is very wrong, it would be easier if they would organize this whole sensei group and sometimes, strict rules are needed, of course if there's a particular reason then they CAN be tolerated!

'Solving it with fellow members'? What can they do for you? This is exactly why your parliament idea failed. You are talking to the wrong people. You should be talking to the staff.

Well it's better solving this on public rather then discussing this with the staff, I asked 2 moderators about this case, and they didn't even bother to reply, so they aren't helpful when it comes to this case.
I'm going to finish this statement, with this quote of yours:

You are no longer here to be entertained, you have a JOB on NB.

 

[~Deidara~]

1.Making the test easier won't solve the problem, it'll just make it worse. Then you'll get less than competent teachers teaching future RPers, leading them down the wrong path and explaining jutsus wrong, etc. Those students will use them wrong, and when told about that, will be forced to either quit RPing or learn everything over again, which brings up back to step one.

2. You may feel that way but senseis/sempais are still members of the forum who are doing a volunteer job. They aren't forced to teach, it's all a choice. Overworking needs to boredom and them eventually dropping the sensei title (which has happened numerous times in the past), once more leading to the main problem.

3. Just wondering, but if I don't quite feel like training all my students one day or if I teach 4 students but don't reply to the other 6 or 7 students, I should get infracted or in trouble for that? I mean, sometimes when we get online, we like to have fun as well and not have to worry about training all the time..

1. I never said to make the questions like: "What is fire's weakness?" I meant slightly easier to even add one more sensei.

2. I never said ALL. Scary Yamato and Zenryoku, for example, work VERY hard here. Some senseis, I'm sorry, don't.

3. I never said to be a slave, but don't tell me that you can't teach me when you're flirting with person A and currently actively training 3 people. Also, I menat punishment for senseis abusing their power. :shrug:

I'm not saying to ALWAYS work, but it should be first priority.. sorry, that's i feel U_U

 

[Lawliet]

I personally thank you, literally xd There are senseis here, that are busy, I sincerely respect their honesty, although there are some senseis who can't teach for particular reasons, a sensei, to whom I asked training, didn't teach me due to a personal grudge! These kind of old-fashioned senseis should quit, do we need a sensei who is very experienced in RP but who doesn't have an ethic? NO, NO & NO!

Also the moderators are ignoring this and doing nothing about it, that is very wrong, it would be easier if they would organize this whole sensei group and sometimes, strict rules are needed, of course if there's a particular reason then they CAN be tolerated!

I'm going to finish this statement, with this quote of yours:

Slight mistake on your part there.

Job: Something you get paid for doing.

Volunteer: Something you do for free.

 

[~Deidara~]

Nexus is the one who is in charge of the senseis and he always replies to questions that can't be found stickied everywhere in the forum.

'Solving it with fellow members'? What can they do for you? This is exactly why your parliament idea failed. You are talking to the wrong people. You should be talking to the staff.

All this thread does is gives a reason for people to spam and repeat the same thing x10000 times.

In regards to a certain idea you mentioned, I swore to Nexus i wouldn't speak a word it again (he censored my freedom of speech)

BUT in general, I will never deem an idea a failure unless I A) see it fail or B) it completely and logically is WAY TOO OUTLANDISH... a certain idea mentioned above was never given the chance to experiment, so you have no right to call it a failure in my eyes.

Slight mistake on your part there.

Job: Something you get paid for doing.

Volunteer: Something you do for free.

Well @this statement, of course, literally this entire site isn't "real" but I am playing the role of a citizen here. by this thinking above, we can say that mods really don't have any power in RL, so we shouldn't respect them. Can you see how false that is? using my example, although in REAL lIFE mods technically are adults with no political power, we still must respect them for their RP authority here.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

1. I never said to make the questions like: "What is fire's weakness?" I meant slightly easier to even add one more sensei.

2. I never said ALL. Scary Yamato and Zenryoku, for example, work VERY hard here. Some senseis, I'm sorry, don't.

3. I never said to be a slave, but don't tell me that you can't teach me when you're flirting with person A and currently actively training 3 people. Also, I menat punishment for senseis abusing their power. :shrug:

I'm not saying to ALWAYS work, but it should be first priority.. sorry, that's i feel U_U

1. I never said you did but the outcome is still the same: Lower the standards and you're raising the chances of more incompetent Sensei's. =/

2. I don't deny that part at all, some sensei's don't work that hard. Some, I would actually say more than those who don't, do teach hard. Most sensei's that you name that don't teach or work word are most likely busy with RL stuff or just aren't teaching at the moment. I don't know all the circumstances so I can say for all, just for the majority of the ones that I know. (Also, Scary ans Zen barely teach now since they do Mod work so they aren't good sensei examples. lol)

3. Lol, that's what I mean. Just because a sensei isn't replying to a particular student doesn't mean he deserves a punishment for it. I'm training 10 students at the moment but am not replying to around 30-40 students at the moment. This is because of a certain system I can up with where I teach certain elements on certain days. When other students ask me to teach them but it's not their days, i simply ignore them and if they ask why I'm not replying, I tell them because I don't feel like it. Should I be punished? O_O (And yeah, I know what you meant, just showing a different side of the mountain.)

(Btw, this is nothing personal, just people always complain about what Senseis/sempais should do, what we shouldn't do, how we should teach, how we shouldnt. It's not easy doing all that, you guys just take it for granted. =/)

 

[-Kratos-]

Slight mistake on your part there.

Job: Something you get paid for doing.

Volunteer: Something you do for free.

Well yeah, you are right about that, though if a man is a volunteer what does he do? He works!

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Well yeah, you are right about that, though if a man is a volunteer what does he do? He works!

Still volunteer work, not paid work. When you're getting paid to do something, you naturally put a bigger effort into it.