Minato and Naruto VS Sasuke and Itachi
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I can see you quoted my post, but did you read it? Because adding "yes but" before your statement shows that you either didn't read my post or you did not understand it. I clearly said that the fight goes to Minato and Naruto because they will outlast (chakra wise) the Uchiha Brothers. Obviously what that implies is that the susano'o will go away..
well i like itachi but minato and naruto are very fast so amaterasu can'y help them if naruto and minato know about tsukuyomi they have chance not get in it, the main broblem is sitachi's susanoo but if naruto will learn TBB they have also a chance to win.
itachi and sasuke are very strong but 4th hokage and hidden leaf hero are also very strong
hmmm.. i'll go with naruto and minato (sorry uchiha fans)
itachi and sasuke are very strong but 4th hokage and hidden leaf hero are also very strong
hmmm.. i'll go with naruto and minato (sorry uchiha fans)
Sage Mode Jiraiya
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i read first line only then quoted then read the rest... i deleted the reply when i read the rest...I can see you quoted my post, but did you read it? Because adding "yes but" before your statement shows that you either didn't read my post or you did not understand it. I clearly said that the fight goes to Minato and Naruto because they will outlast (chakra wise) the Uchiha Brothers. Obviously what that implies is that the susano'o will go away..
Baka Sennin
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naruto and minato, possibly with a casualty though (either naruto dies or minato seals both), high difficulty.
reason is, both have speed to dodge amaterasu and susanoo arrows/totsuka, itachi HAS to use susanoo to ward off minato and naruto as he doesn't compare in speed (although more than sasuke), and he doesn't have the chakra reserves.
the sharingan has also been shown to not keep up at certain speeds, making the use of susanoo imperative, ie their chakra will run out faster than naruto and minato.
naruto and minato also have the toad summons
on the other hand, naruto is susceptible to genjutsu but he has minato to bail him out (i'm assuming minato puts a seal on naruto, it's what i would do if in minato's situation).
this is speculation on my part, but naruto has chakra arms which COULD potentially pull out sasuke or itachi from susanoo
edit: if minato manages to force taijutsu in the early skirmishes, he can easily place a seal and the match is over before it's begun. also i forgot that naruto can make clones to either gather sm chakra, or km clones to fight, which tilts the balance even further.
reason is, both have speed to dodge amaterasu and susanoo arrows/totsuka, itachi HAS to use susanoo to ward off minato and naruto as he doesn't compare in speed (although more than sasuke), and he doesn't have the chakra reserves.
the sharingan has also been shown to not keep up at certain speeds, making the use of susanoo imperative, ie their chakra will run out faster than naruto and minato.
naruto and minato also have the toad summons
on the other hand, naruto is susceptible to genjutsu but he has minato to bail him out (i'm assuming minato puts a seal on naruto, it's what i would do if in minato's situation).
this is speculation on my part, but naruto has chakra arms which COULD potentially pull out sasuke or itachi from susanoo
edit: if minato manages to force taijutsu in the early skirmishes, he can easily place a seal and the match is over before it's begun. also i forgot that naruto can make clones to either gather sm chakra, or km clones to fight, which tilts the balance even further.
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Only Minato needs to avoid the Genjutso, the Jinchuriki don't need to fear Genjutso as their bijou will disturb the chakra if needed.
@JSM: Yeah, I thought so. No problem
Good points, although I don't think Naruto can have clones gathering SM chakra while he is in Kyuubi Mode. And I'm not sure if Naruto is the one that needs to avoid Genjutso as he has the kyuubi to bail him out.
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I have been told that Itachi's Tsukuyomi can't be broken, only a Sharingan user who shares his blood can break free from it. If Minato is weak vs Genjutsu, they can't win because Naruto fails vs Genjutsu.
Also, nobody can tell how strong EMS Sasuke is, if he is as strong as EMS is supposed to be, he is stronger than Tobi and Uchiha Macho might actually be right about EMS Sasuke defeating CURRENT Naruto and Minato.
Also, nobody can tell how strong EMS Sasuke is, if he is as strong as EMS is supposed to be, he is stronger than Tobi and Uchiha Macho might actually be right about EMS Sasuke defeating CURRENT Naruto and Minato.
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Tsukuyomi can't be broken from the inside by anyone who is not blood related and Sharingan user. But it is still a Genjutso and it will be broken if the targets chakra is disturbed.. So that's a fail.
Also EMS Sasuke will have the same tools as the other EMS user we have seen which is basically the ability to use the MS abilities without going blind and spam them for a little longer. You don't get new abilities and you don't get an infinite amount of chakra. So how stronger Sasuke will get with his EMS is irrelevant he will still lose for the same reasons.
Can you proof that Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be broken by disruption in the chakra? I know Sasuke's can be and I used to think that Itachi's could also be broken by chakra disruption, but people in this thread claim otherwise:
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Fight can go either way imo.
Btw seriously arent people bored of creating the same thread over and over again
Btw seriously arent people bored of creating the same thread over and over again
All I had to read to know that I can't believe a word that goes in favor of Uchiha in that thread was the name of the thread starter ^^.
I'm not saying Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be broken or dispelled. It most likely can't. Once you are in you are only out when Itachi choses to break the connection. Yet it is still bound to the way that Genjutsos work. And that means that if your chakra is disturbed then the Genjutso goes away, as the same Itachi, that people claim to have a perfect juts, said: "all jutsos have a weakness".
Also Bee said, I believe in the battle against Sasuke, that Jinchurikies who have control over their bijuus are immune to Genjutso because their bijuu will disturb their chakra the moment they are targeted.
I'm not saying Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be broken or dispelled. It most likely can't. Once you are in you are only out when Itachi choses to break the connection. Yet it is still bound to the way that Genjutsos work. And that means that if your chakra is disturbed then the Genjutso goes away, as the same Itachi, that people claim to have a perfect juts, said: "all jutsos have a weakness".
Also Bee said, I believe in the battle against Sasuke, that Jinchurikies who have control over their bijuus are immune to Genjutso because their bijuu will disturb their chakra the moment they are targeted.
Those "pro-Uchiha" statements were actually made by other people and not Uchiha Macho
I actually agree with that, that Jinchuriki's can break Genjutsu but that thread has brought doubt when it comes to Itachi's Tsukuyomi for me
The person finally explained it more clearly, the reason why Chakra disruption from both outside and a Biju (if target is a Jinchuriki) wouldn't work is because Itachi is capable of manipulating the time of his Tsukuyomi and Sasuke isn't.
When Itachi uses Tsukuyomi and it hits the target, it starts and ends at the same time, 1 sec, before the chakra disruption can even break the Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu will have done its job.
Why? 1 sec can equal 24 hours if Itachi uses the Tsukuyomi, as he did vs Kakashi. So in that 1 sec, Itachi can manipulate the time to make it 24 hours or more for the person inside the Tsukuyomi.
Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is garbage compared to Itachi's, as was said by Danzo in the manga and as was demonstrated by Killer Bee breaking the Tsukuyomi after 3-5 sec and nearly 1 shotting Sasuke.
However, Itachi's Tsukuyomi wouldn't need more than 1 sec, because Itachi can manipulate the time in Tsukuyomi and Sasuke can't
Nope, it's the same thing. If they are working together that means they are like Bee and 8 Tails and that is a continuous chakra disruption Genjutso simply won't work. As for the Tsukuyomi it doesn't take 1 second. What is said in the manga is that one second can be 24h it doesn't mean that in one second time window Itachi will put you under the genjutso think through what he will do to you do it release the technique. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is great but it's not SO6P. ^^
