[Spoilers] luffy and zoro

[Marimo Swordsman]

In terms of smarts, Akainu is far from the top. But he shows his raw power when fighting with Ace/Luffy/Whitebeard. Although it seems as though he wouldn't have been able to beat whitebeard, he handled Luffy/Ace/Jimbei fairly easily.

I believe that the overall best admiral is Aokiji. His sense of justice, and his smarts put him above the others. And although his Devil Fruit wouldn't stand up much against Akainu, we know nothing of his Haki power. He was also recommended to become the next fleet admiral.

But given what we have seen from the three, I would say the power order is Akainu > Aokiji > Kizaru.

Kizaru is at the bottom simply because he seems a little stupid to me, and takes his time way too often when fighting.


As for Luffy's current level, I would say he's around Vice-Admiral, but still not as strong as the Schibukai like Hawk-Eyes. It's seems as though vice admiral's are very strong, considering that Garp was a vice admiral and was able to fight on par with the pirate king in his day's.

Luffy will progress to admiral level eventually, but as of right now he's not as strong as people think.

You also have to remember they tried to promote garp to admiral and he refused saying he was happy where he was

 

[Heister]

You also have to remember they tried to promote garp to admiral and he refused saying he was happy where he was

This was after the Pirate King capturing though.

 

[deidara senpai]

luffys on warlord level no doubt he can beta most but IMO he aint strong enough for mihawk doflamingo and blackbeard

as for zoro i could maybe see him beat moria but thats it

as for admiral level no they arent their yet

 

[sexyprep1]

This was after the Pirate King capturing though.

you still have to consider how strong he is just look at his son and grandson these three with the will of d are very powerful and luffy once he reaches his potential will be very very powerful i can safely say with confidence garp is on par in his prime with anyone around so i would say the same about his family and zoro and luffy to me are like the nxt gold roger and dark king

 

[s0ulja]

This was after the Pirate King capturing though.

he was up for promotion beforehand as well..it was him n sengoku that captured the golden lion

 

[Dino]

Crocodile is definetely not one of the weakest. Direct quote from onepiece.wikia: "He defeated Luffy no less than twice before he was eventually defeated; in fact if it were not for a matter of luck and several helpers, Luffy would have been killed in all three battles: either from the stab in his body (first fight), dehydration (second fight), or poisoning (third fight)."

Also he talked down on Mihawk suggesting that he is stronger than Hawk Eyes. And both Mihawk and Akainu really seemed to be conserned when Crocodile got in their way.

You're overestimating crocodile. Yes he's strong but he is one of the weakest of the Warlords. Luffy could only beat him because of luck and his Suna-Suna fruit has a conspicuous weakness, water. He doesn`t seem frightened before anyone so talking down to Mihawk like he was inferior doesn`t mean a thing. Mihawk was surprised, not concerned when Crocodile ``protected`` Luffy. I guess the same thing can be said about Akainu.

As for this thread, I`d say that Luffy and Zoro are right below vice-admiral level, if not at vice-admiral level. I can`t really say much at this moment but they`ll eventually get there.

 

[Love Cook]

Crocodile is definetely not one of the weakest. Direct quote from onepiece.wikia: "He defeated Luffy no less than twice before he was eventually defeated; in fact if it were not for a matter of luck and several helpers, Luffy would have been killed in all three battles: either from the stab in his body (first fight), dehydration (second fight), or poisoning (third fight)."

Also he talked down on Mihawk suggesting that he is stronger than Hawk Eyes. And both Mihawk and Akainu really seemed to be conserned when Crocodile got in their way.

First of all I never said Crocodile is weak. I just said I think he is one of the weakest in the Shichibukai group. Croc was able to get along pretty good in the war of the best. The only thing is that he has a huge weakness (moria too). When you compare him with Flamingo, Kuma, Boa, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Jinbei and Moria. I think he is a bit weaker then the rest and I think Mihawk is a bit stronger then the rest.

With that in mind I do think Crocodile is one of the worst matchups for Mihawk if he doesn't have haki. Slashes won't work on his sand body and if Crocodile comes close he is deadly in a couple of ways. I don't think Mihawk can use the water trick unless he is able to soak crocodile himself. His blades are very thin and cause cutting damage and a fist has a bigger surface and causes blunt damage.

So Crocodile is maybe at the bottom spots on my ranking of the Shichibukai list but I do think it's very important who is fighting who in these stages of the story. A good example is Ace. I don't think he is admiral level but I do think he would be able to beat Kuzan due to the elemental advantage.

 

[uzamaki2223]

You're overestimating crocodile. Yes he's strong but he is one of the weakest of the Warlords. Luffy could only beat him because of luck and his Suna-Suna fruit has a conspicuous weakness, water. He doesn`t seem frightened before anyone so talking down to Mihawk like he was inferior doesn`t mean a thing. Mihawk was surprised, not concerned when Crocodile ``protected`` Luffy. I guess the same thing can be said about Akainu.

As for this thread, I`d say that Luffy and Zoro are right below vice-admiral level, if not at vice-admiral level. I can`t really say much at this moment but they`ll eventually get there.

well if u look at it like that then everyone with a DF is weak cuz every DF has a weakness to another...

Luffy vs. da dude from Skypeia
i think da dude from Skypeia was stronger than luffy but because of luffy's obvious DF advantage (rubber vs. Lightning) he beat him and da lightning dude even had mantra (Haki)

Akainu vs. Aokiji

i think most consider Aokiji to b a really strong Admiral and i think dat Akainu would beast on him purely cuz of his DF advantage. Not to say Aokiji couldn't handle his own but he'd b fightin an uphill battle against a really strong opponent...

i think they made Croc a Shichibukai for a reason n people, especially the other warlords kno his power...

 

[sexyprep1]

You're right about him, but for some reason, I always considered him the weakest of the 3. His DF is cleared stronger then Aokiji, but in terms of raw development and skill, I consider him to be somewhat behind the 3 others.

Can't wait to see more from Kizaru and Aokiji.

yea in a way i thought he was kinda boring like what he can do if that makes any sense

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

well in the marineford arc WB mention that there will be a war who determined the fate of the world, i hope we can get to see luffy and zoro fight against the admiral at that war

 

[sexyprep1]

well in the marineford arc WB mention that there will be a war who determined the fate of the world, i hope we can get to see luffy and zoro fight against the admiral at that war

yea it makes me think of when one piece is gonna end it has already been around so long i feel like its drawing near to like its last 500 or 600 episodes lol seems so far away but its will come befor we even know it

 

[Monkey d garp]

Saying he's on admiral level is frankly retarded, even vice admiral level is a little out there. You guys are underrating the admirals and overrating luffy. Some of the strongest pirates in the new world practically pissed themselves just at the site of akaino, even blackbeard fled at the site of him with all those powerful allies who it's safe to say were probably as strong as luffy is now. He's definitely on shibukai(spelling) level, the only thing is you can't really classify shibukai as a level, since it seems they're all on different power levels.

Moria, was quite pathetic at his end, it seemed he couldn't even scratch doflamingo.
Crocodile, seems to be pretty strong, but a very obvious and exploitable weakness.
Hancock, seems to be extremely powerful, not quite the big 2 shibukai but still really strong.
Jinbei, Same as hancock.
Puma, before his cyborg upgrades I'd say he was level with jinbei, after them(even though he's been wiped) I'd have to give him an edge.
Hawkeyes/doflamingo, They seem to be on a "diffefrent level" more like admiral and emperor level, just but their act around emperors and admirals, they seem even more cocky than the others.

I'd say luffy is a little under vice admiral level, even though he'd put up a good fight against an admiral because of his haki usage, as displayed in recent chapters it still isn't all powerful, just because he can hit them with haki doesn't necessarily mean he can do a considerable amount of damage, even without their DF I'm sure the admirals are powerful, so even if he could hit them doesn't mean much, gives him a much better chance but doesn't mean much.

Agree with that, this is the reason i love the power balancing in one piece they don´t get that huge power ups like in bleach and naruto and could rape everyboby ,but i think luffy and zorro are a bit stronger than vice admirals and would put up a good fight against an admiral(but still loose)but one piece has still many episodes so they have time to get stronger

 

[sexyprep1]

Agree with that, this is the reason i love the power balancing in one piece they don´t get that huge power ups like in bleach and naruto and could rape everyboby ,but i think luffy and zorro are a bit stronger than vice admirals and would put up a good fight against an admiral(but still loose)but one piece has still many episodes so they have time to get stronger

yea in one piece they dont have power ups the straw hats just trained and worked there asses of for two years with people that really helped them evolve and gave them guidance like rayleigh to luffy

 

[~Yubel~]

He´s not close to admiral level yet although i believe he could survive for a minute now without someone having to save him.
Both of them could defeat moria now with relatively ease but forget hancock,mihawk and flamingo, flamingo is the most dangerous of them all, he just need to move his finger to cut your head off like he did with crocodile, crocodile is strong but he can´t take normal hits, he´s too dependant on his df and with luffy now having the armament haki, he don´t need to use water to hit him.
He could probably beat jinbei even before timeskip if they really went at it but with muc difficulty but you have to remember that jinbeis true strength lies in him fighting at water and that´s luffys weakness so there is no situation where you can compare each other and tell who´s the stronger one.
Zoro could beat everyone luffy can beat and he can put up a good fight against jinbei under-water.

 

[sexyprep1]

He´s not close to admiral level yet although i believe he could survive for a minute now without someone having to save him.
Both of them could defeat moria now with relatively ease but forget hancock,mihawk and flamingo, flamingo is the most dangerous of them all, he just need to move his finger to cut your head off like he did with crocodile, crocodile is strong but he can´t take normal hits, he´s too dependant on his df and with luffy now having the armament haki, he don´t need to use water to hit him.
He could probably beat jinbei even before timeskip if they really went at it but with muc difficulty but you have to remember that jinbeis true strength lies in him fighting at water and that´s luffys weakness so there is no situation where you can compare each other and tell who´s the stronger one.
Zoro could beat everyone luffy can beat and he can put up a good fight against jinbei under-water.

I FREakin love this ty for giving zoro his props this is exactly what i think honestly like i said in my earlier post i think luffy and zoro are the nxt roger and rayleigh of this era and yea

 

[~Yubel~]

I FREakin love this ty for giving zoro his props this is exactly what i think honestly like i said in my earlier post i think luffy and zoro are the nxt roger and rayleigh of this era and yea

Thanks for liking it man!

 

[sexyprep1]

Thanks for liking it man!

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[omkara]

Concerning the two year time skip, I agree luffy is strong and may be an equal to Admiral's strength (Post time skip). But I wouldn't agree that he could be able to beat the admirals easily now. Given the time frame, I guess all other characters would have grown in terms of power . May be they haven't grown as much as luffy and others, but they would also tend to be much more powerful than what we have known before the time skip.

 

[sexyprep1]

Concerning the two year time skip, I agree luffy is strong and may be an equal to Admiral's strength (Post time skip). But I wouldn't agree that he could be able to beat the admirals easily now. Given the time frame, I guess all other characters would have grown in terms of power . May be they haven't grown as much as luffy and others, but they would also tend to be much more powerful than what we have known before the time skip.

yea i dont think he could beat them easily white bird couldnt even beat them easy he still owned them though but not easy at all it makes since they are at the tippy top when it comes to power thats why there admirals

 

[s0ulja]

ok now after the time skip and the present moment on fishmen island is it safe to say that luffy and zoro are atleast on 7 warlord lvl seeing how luffy beat 2 of them befor he went through all the training how do you guys think he will do against the admirals now cause i think he would be way to over powered if he could beat them now seeing as how young he is i think he could put a great fight up though

i say luffy's above vice admiral and very close to admiral level atm...i would like to see him take down magma brat,

Saying he's on admiral level is frankly retarded, even vice admiral level is a little out there. You guys are underrating the admirals and overrating luffy. Some of the strongest pirates in the new world practically pissed themselves just at the site of akaino, even blackbeard fled at the site of him with all those powerful allies who it's safe to say were probably as strong as luffy is now. He's definitely on shibukai(spelling) level, the only thing is you can't really classify shibukai as a level, since it seems they're all on different power levels.

Moria, was quite pathetic at his end, it seemed he couldn't even scratch doflamingo.
Crocodile, seems to be pretty strong, but a very obvious and exploitable weakness.
Hancock, seems to be extremely powerful, not quite the big 2 shibukai but still really strong.
Jinbei, Same as hancock.
Puma, before his cyborg upgrades I'd say he was level with jinbei, after them(even though he's been wiped) I'd have to give him an edge.
Hawkeyes/doflamingo, They seem to be on a "diffefrent level" more like admiral and emperor level, just but their act around emperors and admirals, they seem even more cocky than the others.

I'd say luffy is a little under vice admiral level, even though he'd put up a good fight against an admiral because of his haki usage, as displayed in recent chapters it still isn't all powerful, just because he can hit them with haki doesn't necessarily mean he can do a considerable amount of damage, even without their DF I'm sure the admirals are powerful, so even if he could hit them doesn't mean much, gives him a much better chance but doesn't mean much.

strongest pirates in the new world? how many of them have we been shown? the admirals dont rule the new world..the emperors do. whitebeard was stronger than the admirals by far..he snapped ice guy in one move, magma brat got a beat down that he'l never forget, the light guy havn't seen in action since marco jumped in but if marco>light guy than obviousli whitebeard shits on him...all this was in the middle of a war
thats why the government employs 7 mercenaries to maintain that power balance.
more reasons to consider
1.also hodi in his steroid form is stronger than a vice-admiral i'd say luffy took him down with one punch under water...
2.out of the supernovas luffy was most probably the strongest before timeskip..the only reason the others had higher bounty is b'cuz they are more ruthless, and dont forget the governement hid the fact luffy took down the warlords (it would cause embarrassment for the government)..realistically speaking his bounty should have been higher.
3.none of the other supernovas were being trained by the likes of dark king, mihawk, ivankov (possible spelling error) and so on...so ovbiosuly their growth would be A LOT more than rest of the supernova's