Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

We tend to look at jutsu and powers to determine how strong a character is but in the manga brains play a big role mostly as the deciding factor.
Example
Minato lacks kill moves but can, beat more than 80% of characters

The 2 sannin along with itachi naruto sasuke gaara kakashi kabuto madara sasori and even durai are characters with kill moves and brains all have displayed such already brains being their best strength

Not, saying negato, is, dumb, but he cant hold a candle to itachi because brains people need to understand that...

 

[s0ulja]

Itachi > nagato itachi more brains equally powerful jutsu

Negato is much better than the paths because he doesn't have the time, and switching restraints.
Its much e-za to point out each paths weakness and abilities

We tend to look at jutsu and powers to determine how strong a character is but in the manga brains play a big role mostly as the deciding factor.
Example
Minato lacks kill moves but can, beat more than 80% of characters

The 2 sannin along with itachi naruto sasuke gaara kakashi kabuto madara sasori and even durai are characters with kill moves and brains all have displayed such already brains being their best strength

Not, saying negato, is, dumb, but he cant hold a candle to itachi because brains people need to understand that...

rinnegan>sharingan
nagato+itachi roughly the same intelligence
therefore nagato> itachi

..why? nagato started the akatski, itachi was just an employee

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Rinnegan trumps sharingan true
Negato brains = itachi false and so false its idiocy
Your reason shows either u dumb as **** or don't really read the manga.

1st madara/tobi/yahiko started the akatsuki
2nd negato was a pawn itachi was close to tobi so and knew more than negato
3rd negato never put himself higher than itachi, but kabuto put itachi above negato
4th itachi genius negato just had good eyes with with lil skills
5th itachi undercover good guy negato a cry baby throwing a tantrum

At 1st glance I thought u had brains and would be worthy of a good debate but this last post smh I really hope it was a joke and I didn't get the punch

 

[Chaotic Blades]

reason is very simple..they stopped their shinobi training...like naruto was to go around researching from now on..he'd be strong but his rivals would eventually surpass him

thats a good point I never thought about that. but then again do the akatuski train?

 

[siyo]

lets back up. I never actually stated that. you had just threw out there that Oro beat two. i knew he beat two. I was just saying we didn't see it. it kinda implies that i am saying it so i apologize from your angle. but im not. it was stated in the manga so it happened

Apology accepted. Thought you had lost it for a sec… Well then you got your answer, they are powerful(kage level fighters), but you have a right to your opinion, and I understand if you were disappointed in them.Kishi trolled oro hard with the weak bodies,no hands, and the humiliations he received from Itachi.

 

[s0ulja]

Rinnegan trumps sharingan true
Negato brains = itachi false and so false its idiocy
Your reason shows either u dumb as **** or don't really read the manga.

1st madara/tobi/yahiko started the akatsuki
2nd negato was a pawn itachi was close to tobi so and knew more than negato
3rd negato never put himself higher than itachi, but kabuto put itachi above negato
4th itachi genius negato just had good eyes with with lil skills
5th itachi undercover good guy negato a cry baby throwing a tantrum

At 1st glance I thought u had brains and would be worthy of a good debate but this last post smh I really hope it was a joke and I didn't get the punch

go learn english before u debate u retard...
1.roughly the same doesn't mean the same as equal
2.madara was 6ft under...
3.what role tobi played is still unknown
4.nagato did what the 3 sannin could not do while saving a hostage(defeat hanzo at such young age)
5.it has been previous said nagato was the strongest akatski
6.yes itachi was a genius but nagato wasn't far behind
7.kabuto has proved on many occaision he doesnt hav the ability to weigh up a shinobi's worth
8. ur 5th point is laughable

..i suggest you go watch the end of pain saga where nagato revealed his pain n how the akatski was formed

 

[TrollingSage]

J man with sage mode gave pain alot of trouble. Oro could just as bad ass as kabuto but he is too arrogant and stupid
Tsunade has one of the most impressive body feats in the manga xd

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Apology accepted. Thought you had lost it for a sec… Well then you got your answer, they are powerful(kage level fighters), but you have a right to your opinion, and I understand if you were disappointed in them.Kishi trolled oro hard with the weak bodies,no hands, and the humiliations he received from Itachi.

LOL ya especially since at one point he was considered the main villian for the longest of times

 

[s0ulja]

thats a good point I never thought about that. but then again do the akatuski train?

i would say so..for eg, when jiraiya left those three..they were only taught the basics of being a shinobi, when itachi left konoha he wasn't as strong as he was shown later (suske was surprised by the gap between them) im sure same could be said for the rest...plus they are always on missions since they are mercenaries..so not only do they train they get real combat experience i suppose

 

[manje11]

they are powerfull but at the level of Tobi, Madara, Zetsu etc

zetsu are you serious, tobi even said that he's not suited for fighting just stalling time. Yeah i know it was the white zetsu, and the black zetsu wasn't there, but was bested by that chojuro kid who in fact is much weaker than the sannin. Orochimaru and Jiraiya could take on tobi even kill him if he sneezes. I don't know about Tsunade, not much has been shown from her yet. Tobi's only weapon would be izanagi, and he doesn't show any genjutsu yet except for izanagi which takes ten years, and he've already lost it, so maybe rinnegan.

Don't sleep on the sannin. orochimaru was being looked for 10 years after deflected akatsuki from hideouts to hiedouts, but could never be found, even pein said someone had to be really powerful to take him on and we know the guy is half immortal.

Jiraiya, itachi told kisame not to fight him because, it would end up in a stalemate or worse, and kisame agreed that he was stronger.

Jiraiya and Orochimaru in their own individual perspective strenght against madara would be a hard-difficulty, madara would have to use rinnegan to finish him if they bypass tsukoyomi, amateratsu and susanoo.

Don't sleep on them, kishi would've never called him sannin if they weren't strong
They are all beast. Sage power, immortal body, and super inhuman, god-like strenght.

 

[manje11]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

Wow you seem to be underestimating them. Let me walk you through the story my friend. Now we all know orochimaru lost to itachi, but was he really trying to fight itachi. the answer is no, he was trying to steal his eyes, just fail because itachi caught him in tsukoyomi. Mainly itachi was using a cheat code where orochimaru was using his ordinary snake jutsu. And let's face it, itachi only have two power in his arsenal that can take on orochimaru, and orochimaru has a vast. tsukoyomi and susanoo are the two that could take him, amaterasu wouldn't work because he can shed his skin. And there are only two or three people who can take on orochimaru in the akatsuki. Itachi, Pein, Tobi rinnegan. Sasuke killed him for plot no jutsu. Come on man we all know that was going to happen in order for sasuke to live, and the story to continue, so he could fight itachi. So you're saying orochimaru full power before his fight with sandaime, sasuke would still beat him, even itachi if not for mangekyou would lose and die. you're talking about a man who went toe in toe with the four tailed naruto and was playing around while he had no hands. and remember he's half immortal, he's still lives in the story inside kabuto and is one of the main antagonist, don't sleep on him.

Now Jiraiya, you're underestimating a guy who took 3 bodies of pein without knowing any of their secrets yet. And Pein even said that's something that was never done before even with hanzo, and if he had known of their secrets, Pein could have lost, Pein stated. Most akatsuki member wouldn't even be able to accomplish such feat. And you said 3 of his weakest right. Now let see one who could use summoning jutsu important enough that the human path had sacrifice himself to get him/her out of the way, the human path specializing in taijutsu, and preta path. Now tell me how many of those strong shinobis of yours can take on summoning jutsu, while fighting a taijutsu master and pretty much your ninjutsu won't work, and oh yes fighting the rinnegan, the most poweful eye in the narutoverse. Without any proper knowledge of it any shinobis would lose even minato and the rest of the kages. And those three weakest took on the most powerful village by themselves and three others. Itachi even stop kisame from fighting him, saying that the fight could end in a stalemate or worse. And Kisame acknowledge him as the strongest.

I don't know much of tsunade, not much has been shown yet, but she is strong. Even orochimaru said so, and she is world renowned as the most powerful kunoichi. Now think why would Kishi say that. And we know she would pawn most of these akatsukis with low to mid-difficulty. With her lack of development, she still is frightening. She fought Kabuto, orochimaru and manda at the same time. She messed orochimaru up, and disabled manda. Her taijutsu top-form. Able to do flip while inthe air. she grabbed kusanagi sword with her feet while being dragged in the air. One punch kill or bone crushing. Amazing chakra, able to heal a whole village filled with ten of thousand people.

So don't underestimate them man, it seems you still do not understand the meaning of being strong, they are probably in the top ten strongest in naruto.

I advise you to review what you just said, because it seems like you know very little of them.

 

[Hei]

lol sannins are very powerful just get it :XD

 

[FlameDevil]

they r the best team maid of 3

jiraya _ is 1 of the strongest with his techniques and sage art other than the frog summoning
orochimaru _ do i need to explain more ? i think just saying his name is enough
tsunade _ amazing medical ninja other than her super powerful strength

 

[manje11]

He was offer the job because of less availability. Not because he is Kage level. Someone had the be Hokage. Same with Jirayia and Tsunade. Otherwise they would have never been offered. Kakashi doesn't have the skill levels of any Kage

I disagree with your statement. It doesn't take those super power shinobis to be kage level, but strength, skills, intelligence, and yes admiration. Kakashi is in the low kage level, but strong enough to be respected by some of the strongest and even feared. And remember this. It's not only in good time that a shinobi's power can be measured. Jiraiya said in desperate time Kakashi would be chosen most likely if tsunade died. You think because konoha was in desperate time, and that's the only reason. Let me if tsunade decided to retire, but that's all during good times who would they still have chosen, Kakashi in large. He would be a good kage, not the strongest, but good. He's smart, love his friend and his village, and is very strong. And it's very obvious if he was to become a kage, kishi would make kakashi stronger.

And it's Not because of less avaibility, but because he is kage material, you seem to forget about gai, or maybe hiashi, he's strong, he killed a kinkaku jonin in one strike and they are between high jonin and kage levels. And gai can go toe to to with kakashi, even defeating him once he open his gates, and i guess even you know how easy that can be for gai. Up to four gates would be able to beat kakashi, only if kakashi can go four gates, then he might have a chance, but gai can simply go higher. What I'm saying is that kakashi is strong, and is no doubt in most people's eyes a kage level.

 

[LikeItMuch]

OP you know that they're powerful. I thought it was obvious but when you put them up against ninja like madara or tobi obviously they're gonna be outshined in comparison. DUH! No point in saying more everyone else has lol

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Wow you seem to be underestimating them. Let me walk you through the story my friend. Now we all know orochimaru lost to itachi, but was he really trying to fight itachi. the answer is no, he was trying to steal his eyes, just fail because itachi caught him in tsukoyomi. Mainly itachi was using a cheat code where orochimaru was using his ordinary snake jutsu. And let's face it, itachi only have two power in his arsenal that can take on orochimaru, and orochimaru has a vast. tsukoyomi and susanoo are the two that could take him, amaterasu wouldn't work because he can shed his skin. And there are only two or three people who can take on orochimaru in the akatsuki. Itachi, Pein, Tobi rinnegan. Sasuke killed him for plot no jutsu. Come on man we all know that was going to happen in order for sasuke to live, and the story to continue, so he could fight itachi. So you're saying orochimaru full power before his fight with sandaime, sasuke would still beat him, even itachi if not for mangekyou would lose and die. you're talking about a man who went toe in toe with the four tailed naruto and was playing around while he had no hands. and remember he's half immortal, he's still lives in the story inside kabuto and is one of the main antagonist, don't sleep on him.

Now Jiraiya, you're underestimating a guy who took 3 bodies of pein without knowing any of their secrets yet. And Pein even said that's something that was never done before even with hanzo, and if he had known of their secrets, Pein could have lost, Pein stated. Most akatsuki member wouldn't even be able to accomplish such feat. And you said 3 of his weakest right. Now let see one who could use summoning jutsu important enough that the human path had sacrifice himself to get him/her out of the way, the human path specializing in taijutsu, and preta path. Now tell me how many of those strong shinobis of yours can take on summoning jutsu, while fighting a taijutsu master and pretty much your ninjutsu won't work, and oh yes fighting the rinnegan, the most poweful eye in the narutoverse. Without any proper knowledge of it any shinobis would lose even minato and the rest of the kages. And those three weakest took on the most powerful village by themselves and three others. Itachi even stop kisame from fighting him, saying that the fight could end in a stalemate or worse. And Kisame acknowledge him as the strongest.

I don't know much of tsunade, not much has been shown yet, but she is strong. Even orochimaru said so, and she is world renowned as the most powerful kunoichi. Now think why would Kishi say that. And we know she would pawn most of these akatsukis with low to mid-difficulty. With her lack of development, she still is frightening. She fought Kabuto, orochimaru and manda at the same time. She messed orochimaru up, and disabled manda. Her taijutsu top-form. Able to do flip while inthe air. she grabbed kusanagi sword with her feet while being dragged in the air. One punch kill or bone crushing. Amazing chakra, able to heal a whole village filled with ten of thousand people.

So don't underestimate them man, it seems you still do not understand the meaning of being strong, they are probably in the top ten strongest in naruto.

I advise you to review what you just said, because it seems like you know very little of them.

why do we make excuses on why someone loss all the time, it doesn't change the fact they loss. if and buts don't mean anything. and that your are trying to make them more powerful then they seem. this isnt like Sasuke getting healed twice and having help vs Bee. they losss straight up one on one and your giving them excuses. like o he could have beat itachi, he could have beat sasuke, he could have beat pain....but they didn't, for whatever reasons, they lacked something going in to their battles and as a ninja preparation is a big part of battle strength.

I disagree with your statement. It doesn't take those super power shinobis to be kage level, but strength, skills, intelligence, and yes admiration. Kakashi is in the low kage level, but strong enough to be respected by some of the strongest and even feared. And remember this. It's not only in good time that a shinobi's power can be measured. Jiraiya said in desperate time Kakashi would be chosen most likely if tsunade died. You think because konoha was in desperate time, and that's the only reason. Let me if tsunade decided to retire, but that's all during good times who would they still have chosen, Kakashi in large. He would be a good kage, not the strongest, but good. He's smart, love his friend and his village, and is very strong. And it's very obvious if he was to become a kage, kishi would make kakashi stronger.

And it's Not because of less avaibility, but because he is kage material, you seem to forget about gai, or maybe hiashi, he's strong, he killed a kinkaku jonin in one strike and they are between high jonin and kage levels. And gai can go toe to to with kakashi, even defeating him once he open his gates, and i guess even you know how easy that can be for gai. Up to four gates would be able to beat kakashi, only if kakashi can go four gates, then he might have a chance, but gai can simply go higher. What I'm saying is that kakashi is strong, and is no doubt in most people's eyes a kage level.

the position as a kage...sure. the strength level of kage, no. thats my only thing about him not being kage level. he can be kage ready though

OP you know that they're powerful. I thought it was obvious but when you put them up against ninja like madara or tobi obviously they're gonna be outshined in comparison. DUH! No point in saying more everyone else has lol

everyone keeps on bringing up madara and tobi in comparison...there are a shitmore ninjas that have a chance or could be the sannin, to the point they've dropped out of top 15 since Part 1

 

[Ocean soul]

why do we make excuses on why someone loss all the time, it doesn't change the fact they loss. if and buts don't mean anything. and that your are trying to make them more powerful then they seem. this isnt like Sasuke getting healed twice and having help vs Bee. they losss straight up one on one and your giving them excuses. like o he could have beat itachi, he could have beat sasuke, he could have beat pain....but they didn't, for whatever reasons, they lacked something going in to their battles and as a ninja preparation is a big part of battle strength.



the position as a kage...sure. the strength level of kage, no. thats my only thing about him not being kage level. he can be kage ready though



everyone keeps on bringing up madara and tobi in comparison...there are a shitmore ninjas that have a chance or could be the sannin, to the point they've dropped out of top 15 since Part 1

hahahahahah, lol, Dude, I have noticed that you actually suck men's ****. thats all. PPL, just forget about this A S S H O L E , he is probably just a kid.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

hahahahahah, lol, Dude, I have noticed that you actually suck men's ****. thats all. PPL, just forget about this A S S H O L E , he is probably just a kid.

Your avatar explains it all fanboy. sorry that your character is dead

 

[enditallsin]

So Kakashi is Kage level?

yea because he was a student of minato, he was son of sakumo the white fang,and hes copied over a thousand jutsus, he'll never abandon his friends, he has a sharingan/mangekyou sharingan thats he mastered,hes created and mastered his own jutsu,as well as uses 4 different elements, kakashi is what you would call a highly exceptional ninja, i guess because he had these traits and the most charisma than anyone else in the village since tsunade was out, which is why i think he was elected for hokage not because he was really REALLY powerful, but highly exceptional,as well as he had a good head on his shoulders.

 

[RBKAGE]

that sounds like a personal problem with you and Kishi

again the only fool is you. i never said they were weak. i said they werent powerful. and to be powerful you need to beat strong ninjas. you get no credit for beating weak ninjas. and they havent been shown to beat anyone at all. thank you and try again

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