Why isn't Kakashi S-class ninja?

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

landmines would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton, minibombs would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton, deidara clone would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton.

None of the kages that are not a sensor can escape from C4 since they won't even know its coming.

using your logic, Gai >>>>> MS Sasuke > Kakashi because Kakashi< MS sasuke << Bee << Kisame < Gai[/QUOTE]

Where the hell did you get MS Sasuke > Kakashi?

And it goes like this buddy: MS Sasuke< Bee<Kisame with Samehadaand Guy>Kisame w/o Samehada

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

The only way you can make a case for Deidara is IF he can unleash C4 before someone can attack.

The logic that Deidara has a technique that can kill someone makes him Kage Level is flawed.

 

[-Kenshin-]

Ok my only though on this is kakashi is above kage level due to his ms and all the jutsu he has copied and also kakashi was going to be a kage if tsuanda hadnt of woke up also kage is a title not a rank

 

[Owarij]

None of the kages that are not a sensor can escape from C4 since they won't even know its coming.

using your logic, Gai >>>>> MS Sasuke > Kakashi because Kakashi< MS sasuke << Bee << Kisame < Gai

Where the hell did you get MS Sasuke > Kakashi?

And it goes like this buddy: MS Sasuke< Bee<Kisame with Samehadaand Guy>Kisame w/o Samehada[/QUOTE]

Where does he get ms sasuke > kakashi?

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Kakashi said that 1 sussano arrow was to fast to dodge, he had to kamui

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He could barely walk/run after using kamui, remind you he was full chakra and health before coming to that fight...1 kamui made him like that..and he couldn't dodge 1 susanno arrow because of its speed..

Now if sasuke had full chakra and didn't just fight danzo, and his susanno didn't drop... After kakashi used kamui to dodge the first arrow, all he had to do was use it again....Once again kakashi would be in a position where he can't dodge it because its too fast.. but now seeing that he just used kamui, he's even in a more horrible condition than he was before...

Assuming kakashi can use two consecutive kamui's right after each other, which he can, Lets say he escapes the 2nd sussano arrouw...Sasuke just has to use another 1 .....Kakakshi now having to use a third kamui and thus kill himself in the process....

Long story short- Full healthy kakashi couldn't dodge sasuke's sussano arrow due to speed....3 arrows right after each other will kill him easily...Be happy sasuke was out of chakra and his suusanno dropped after the first arrow

Even more long story short- 3 susanno arrows is all it takes to kill kakashi, and he can't do shit about it

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Jesus christ, despite all everyone has said, you still don't understand that it isn't about having a technique that CAN kill someone......Its about the deadliness of that technique..How avoidable it is etc.....Things like chibaku tensei are beyond kage level, because almost noone can get out there selves...Same with deidaras c4.....You're clearly being purposefully ignorant and using abc logic despite being told about it

1) can be avoided by jumping if fast enough
2) can be avoided by dodging/running away
3) can be avoided by running/dodging
4) can be avoided/destroyed
5) can be avoided or even tanked by more durable opponents
6) can be easily avoided as it is slow
7) can be dodged just by being quick/reflexes
8) has been dodged by kabuto with just speed
9) dodged by early series sasuke
10) be a sensor, have technique that blows away mist, sense by smell.

Everything on the list can be avoided with either good speed/reflexes, durability, or firepower, things that are standard to all kage-level opponents.

Things that are not standard to kage-level oppents is chakra sensing abilities which is required to sense C4.

Or mountain-busting power which is required to break chibaku tensei.

I hope you can see the difference it is quite clear.

Speed, durability, reflexes all go out the door when dealing with attacks that are you can't run away from, and can't tank, which is what C4 and Chibaku tensei are.

1. Need elite speed.
2. Need elite speed.
3. Need elite speed.
4. Need elite strength.
5. Need elite stamina.
6. Need elite intelligence not to fall for tricks.
7. Need elite speed.
8. retracted
9. retracted
10. Need elite sensory skills.

Deidara's C4: Need Dojutsu and/or Lightning release.

See, same concept. You have to have a certain skillset to avoid these things. Now do you see the connection? Just because only certain people can avoid these techniques, doesn't make the user Kage level.

 

[Owarij]

1. Need elite speed.
2. Need elite speed.
3. Need elite speed.
4. Need elite strength.
5. Need elite stamina.
6. Need elite intelligence not to fall for tricks.
7. Need elite speed.
8. retracted
9. retracted
10. Need elite sensory skills.

Deidara's C4: Need Dojutsu and/or Lightning release.

See, same concept. You have to have a certain skillset to avoid these things. Now do you see the connection? Just because only certain people can avoid these techniques, doesn't make the user Kage level.

where did you get elite speed? you just need speed....which most ninjas have....Most ninjas don't have a doujutsu........in fact only a small percentage do.....

 

[Blaze Release]

Nilloc, you just admitted that you need a doudjutsu and/or lightning release.
Now tell me how many people have these.

Also remember its the sharigan than allowed sasuke to come up with a strategy to counter the bombs. Meaning even if he has lighting release, if it wasnt for the sharigan he would mostly have died aswell

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

I just posted a Deidara thread, so lets get off of this Kakashi thread arguing about Deidara.

 

[Baka Sennin]

They won't realize the distance deidara is keeping from it..He's a aerial fighter, the won't even think thats the reason he's up there......The only reason sasuke could , is because he can see the cloud of nano bombs

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And he saw deidara hovering over it

well, to me it's an obvious way of determing a bomb's range. the opponent will see a big ass bomb, and the first instinct is to run? but how far? the answer is gained by looking at how far deidara is away from the bomb, he's obviously not going to stay within its range. it's an easy way to deal with it, and not that complicated of a thought process as you're making it out to be.

now, the real danger imo is if the opponent is hasty and runs straight back into the fight once the bomb 'defuses', they will die lol, unless they have some sort of chakra cloak. if not (i expect people will be careful with a bomb of that size) the birds and wildlife in the area will start to explode which i'm sure will be noticed by a shinobi, it's a bit complicated but seeing as the opponents are the four hokage, they should get it. minato alone has figured harder stuff in less time.

anyway, it's certainly a great technique,one of the very best, but not unavoidable/instant winner, there's no such thing. and there's also the fact that if you have raiton it's very easy to defuse all of deidara's bombs, which is a shame really.

 

[siyo]

Kakashi is kage level shinobi.Whomever says otherwise is ignorant.A kage level fighter, simply means, that you are strong enough to be considered for that position.

And Kakashi can take on Deidara.If it wasn't for his bad aim (due to inexperience with his MS ), he would have gotten rid of Deidara pretty early.



Edit: People overrate Deidara simply because he possesses a strong tech.Well the thing is everybody does.... and if they hit you with their so called "finisher" -you're dead/defeated.Tsunade, orochimaru,third raikage and A could all tank c4.Genjutsu users could take him out pretty quickly,and most high level folks would have taken him out(or restricted his movements), before he could ever perform it .Notice that in all of his fights, Deidara never used c4 in the beginning of his fights, so why would that change?

You don't hear me saying that Hidan is the most dangerous guy in the world, because of the fact that he can take out everybody.You're in trouble, If you don't know about his abilities, and have you seen a lot of fights, where blood is nonexistent ?

 

[Zoro..]

Yea Deidara is overrated but Kakashi is Jounin but at the kage level

 

[Majora]

lol putting at putting minato and nagato in the same category.

Rinegan >> FTG

also Itachi is above sannin kevel

NO, Itachi would not beat Jiraiya..

 

[Owarij]

NO, Itachi would not beat Jiraiya..

Oh my...You truly believe that?

 

[Majora]

Oh my...You truly believe that?

Yes i do. Problem?

 

[Owarij]

Yes i do. Problem?

Nope U_U too each his own

 

[Majora]

Lol.


so a 12/13 year old who beat orochimaru (the strongest of the sannin)
is not above sannin in under a minute


if they were to fight and if itachi really wanted to kill him.

he could do the same thing he did to orochimaru

Who told you Oro was the strongest?

 

[Owarij]

Who told you Oro was the strongest?

The very fact that he was unable to beat oro and bring him back to the village maybe?

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And you should realize by now Oro/jiraya are a reflection of naruto and sasuke...One ran away the other tried to bring them back and failed....Even if Jiraya is stronger than oro it isn't a huge difference...Minor....

Olso the whole story about Jiraya , Orochimaru and tsunade , kishi took from jappenese myth....even the character names are taken....

and Snake>frog>slug

Orochimaru (大蛇丸), featured in the Japanese folktale Jiraiya Gōketsu Monogatari, is the arch-enemy of the ninja Jiraiya. He was once named Yashagorō (夜叉五郎) and was one of Jiraiya's followers, but he was overtaken by serpent magic. Having changed his name to "Orochimaru", he gained the ability to turn himself into a giant serpent. He attacked Jiraiya and Tsunade and defeated them with his venom

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Then comes the simple common sense..That orochimaru was a genius, who devoted his life to ninjutsu
Databooks give oro a 5 ingenjutsu
And jiraya a 3.....

Jiraya said himself genjutsu was his weakpoint, oro never had a problem with it..
And you have itachi a genjutsu master, who 1 panneled oro with genjutsu, you think miraculously Jiraya won't get beat even easier?

 

[Majora]

I can't see Jiraiya beat Itachi, maybe. But he would not lose. IMO it's a tie, Itachi is on Sannin level, but not above.

 

[icha icha naruto]

I personally think ranking just gives a rough approx..
To be a kage, a person who is powerful should have a reputation and fame like naruto.
Similarly to be a S class missing ninja he should have a bad reputation of being a super bad ass guy.

To the question kakashi is on kage level but not a S class missing ninja.

 

[hearteaterx]

Kakashi is clearly S rank, Zabuza was even S rank. Kakashi was to be killed on sight by Mist village jonin, S rank copy cat ninja :'D