Why isn't Kakashi S-class ninja?

[SoulHunt3r]

Strongly disagree with the last sentence, but you already know that xd

Sasori, Itachi, Nagato and Tobi are the only Kage-level ninja. Why? Because they have many techniques that make them powerful. The rest have only one signature technique/ability/trait that makes them an Elite Jounin.

Deidara- Explosive Clay
Kakuzu- Immortality
Hidan- Immortality
Kisame- Swordsmanship
Konan- Origami jutsu
Zetsu- S/T

None of those are Kage level ninja in my opinion

man you forget something.....

1)it doesn`t matter how many tehniques you have to be and s-class.

it matter how you use it for instance........ let me think....... mmmmmmm......

i got it the 3rd raikage he have a single tehnique lighting and that`s it and you can`t say he is not a kage level. be serious bro.

2)deidara. if you say that deidara is not a kage level you make automatically gaara very weak and gaara beat his father the 3rd kazekage who was considered the strongest among the kazekages, and deidara almost killed gaara.(he didn`t bcause you need the host alive to extract its bijuu).

3) kakuzu. man he fought the 1st hokage and he wasn`t killed. if you say kakuzu is not a kage level you make hashirama weak

4)hidan yeah he is one of the weakest in akatsuki but don`t forget some1 who doesn`t know his abilities could get killed very easly even madara.

5)kisame. are you insane bro? he is one of the strongest among akatsuki. he almost beat bee.

6)konan. she almost killed tobi. yeah i know she had a trap but she is fuc*ing strong. here i don`t have to much proof that she is s-class but......

7)zetsu. you are right here he is not an s-class, but he is neded for his abities to spy wich is very important.

please ppl if you agree give me some +rep cuz i need

 

[lanakau888]

The bold part. Itachi 13 anbu leader was a jonin take into considration what he achieved at this age. I cannot even think of many jonins that can do what he did or even kages. Yamato was in anbu yet he is a jonin. Im also sure that kakashi was a jonin before he went to anbu. Lets not forget danzou's body guards are jonin level. Shisui who was in anbu is a jonin atleast

Itachi was an anbu CAPTAIN. I said anbu MEMBER. And yeah you can be an anbu member and still be a jounin, but I am saying that just being an anbu member DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE JOUNIN.

And Gai was never in the anbu, yet he owns anyone from anbu except for Itachi and kakashi.

Being in the anbu is in conjunction to being a chuunin or jounin. There are many powerful nins who decided not to join the anbu, yet can defeat the typical anbu without problems.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

I disagree. Kage level to me means that somebody who has the abilities to defeat a kage. Deidora has already done it. Kakuzu can possibly beat gaara, mei, tsunade, onoki. Kisame can also.

You say kage level is basically someone that can take on 2/3 jonins. Answer this, do you think any of the current kages can take on, gai, darui and neji at the same time and win?

I agree with what you said about Kage level. I don't dispute that Deidara defeated Gaara, I am simply stating that Deidara had favorable circumstance and took advantage of them. If Gaara weren't trying to protect the village, it would have been a different ending lol. I disagree with that as well. Kakashi was holding Kakuzu in check while protecting his comrades, then BASE Naruto came in and destroyed him.

None of the current Kage's could even hope to contend with that. But I didn't say elite jounin, I was saying your average Jounin. For example, Temari, Neji and Shizune could not defeat any Kage. However, they could defeat Deidara, Kakuzu, Hidan, Konan, and possibly Kisame.

 

[SoulHunt3r]

I mean, he totally lives up for the rank?

wrong section by the way.

this goes to naruto character questions

 

[~ You Know Who ~]

well he iz a kage clas fr me

 

[chaotykxninja]

If you agree that with the ranking that I disagreed with then you would have to agree that sai is > asuma since it specifically puts any anbu member above jounin.

Also, part 1 kabuto easily kills 7 anbu members without a scratch. There is no way he can do that to any of the known jounins.

Kakashi easily takes out two anbu members with genjutsu, so if you put anbu above jounins, then kakashi is a genjutsu master.

In part 1 many of the anbus get taken out by kabuto's genjutsu that sakura and shikamaru manage to deflect.

no being an anbu does not in any way put you at jounin level or above.

u don't get it... i'll explain: ur rank has nothing to do wid ur ability.

so wrap ur head round that. ok anbu is a career path that is unavailable untill jounin rank . anbu is a recruiting service as well they recruit young nin as they're own so they can teach and train experimentally outside the confines of village law.

so some weaklings still end up as anbu, however this is not the case wid root and black ops subdivisions. like itachi and sai. sai by the way was a experi training case

 

[Blaze Release]

Itachi was an anbu CAPTAIN. I said anbu MEMBER. And yeah you can be an anbu member and still be a jounin, but I am saying that just being an anbu member DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE JOUNIN.

And Gai was never in the anbu, yet he owns anyone from anbu except for Itachi and kakashi.

You do realise being an anbu captain means you are a member, but an elite member. Anyway im not denying the bold part highlighted, but the anbu members we know so far are either kage level (itachi, shisui, kakashi) or jonin level (yamato, fu, torune).

 

[lanakau888]

u don't get it... i'll explain: ur rank has nothing to do wid ur ability.

so wrap ur head round that. ok anbu is a career path that is unavailable untill jounin rank . anbu is a recruiting service as well they recruit young nin as they're own so they can teach and train experimentally outside the confines of village law.

Then why are anbu members (who by your definintion are at least jounin) getting owned like little puppies by guys who are not even kage level.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

man you forget something.....

1)it doesn`t matter how many tehniques you have to be and s-class.

it matter how you use it for instance........ let me think....... mmmmmmm......

i got it the 3rd raikage he have a single tehnique lighting and that`s it and you can`t say he is not a kage level. be serious bro.

2)deidara. if you say that deidara is not a kage level you make automatically gaara very weak and gaara beat his father the 3rd kazekage who was considered the strongest among the kazekages, and deidara almost killed gaara.(he didn`t bcause you need the host alive to extract its bijuu).

3) kakuzu. man he fought the 1st hokage and he wasn`t killed. if you say kakuzu is not a kage level you make hashirama weak

4)hidan yeah he is one of the weakest in akatsuki but don`t forget some1 who doesn`t know his abilities could get killed very easly even madara.

5)kisame. are you insane bro? he is one of the strongest among akatsuki. he almost beat bee.

6)konan. she almost killed tobi. yeah i know she had a trap but she is fuc*ing strong. here i don`t have to much proof that she is s-class but......

7)zetsu. you are right here he is not an s-class, but he is neded for his abities to spy wich is very important.

please ppl if you agree give me some +rep cuz i need

S-Rank isn't an actual rank. And having one specialty is what we call a Tokubetsu Jounin, who is less than Jounin rank. Just sayin.

Not his only technique. He has black lightning, regular lightning release, extreme stamina, major strength,etc.

Gaara's father was the fourth Kazekage. How many times must I repeat myself? Gaara has to protect the village, Deidara knows this, He attacks the villagers after realizing he can't beat Gaara straight up.

How do I call Hashirama weak when I just called an opponent he defeated an Elite Jounin? Regardless, that would be like you accusing me of calling Pain weak because he beat Ebisu.

No...just no. He is dumb, has one technique and couldn't even take on two Chuunin at the same time.

I already retracted my statement on Kisame. He has the abilities of a LOW end Kage. And I can still make a case that he isn't on Kage's level.

She was incapacitated with a quickness by Jiraiya. She set up a trap,had prior knowledge of Tobi and his techniques. And still lost in like 2 pages.

 

[Blaze Release]

I agree with what you said about Kage level. I don't dispute that Deidara defeated Gaara, I am simply stating that Deidara had favorable circumstance and took advantage of them. If Gaara weren't trying to protect the village, it would have been a different ending lol. I disagree with that as well. Kakashi was holding Kakuzu in check while protecting his comrades, then BASE Naruto came in and destroyed him.

None of the current Kage's could even hope to contend with that. But I didn't say elite jounin, I was saying your average Jounin. For example, Temari, Neji and Shizune could not defeat any Kage. However, they could defeat Deidara, Kakuzu, Hidan, Konan, and possibly Kisame.

Fair enough. I see you took my advice and stopped the insults .
Anyway i do agree but i can see kakuzu, kisame, deidora and possible konan beating Temari, Neji and Shizune.

Deidora has c4 which should be able to beat the jonins ive listed above, even if neji can see it, he cannot avoid it.

Team guy struggled with a 30% chakra kisame clone. At 100% plus samahada he should beat them aswell.

If those 3 jonins youve listed didnt have any info on kakuzu or his abilities again i can see him beating those 3 jonins

 

[chaotykxninja]

If you agree that with the ranking that I disagreed with then you would have to agree that sai is > asuma since it specifically puts any anbu member above jounin.

Also, part 1 kabuto easily kills 7 anbu members without a scratch. There is no way he can do that to any of the known jounins.

Kakashi easily takes out two anbu members with genjutsu, so if you put anbu above jounins, then kakashi is a genjutsu master.

In part 1 many of the anbus get taken out by kabuto's genjutsu that sakura and shikamaru manage to deflect.

no being an anbu does not in any way put you at jounin level or above.

Then why are anbu members (who by your definintion are at least jounin) getting owned like little puppies by guys who are not even kage level.

not all anbu are jounin rank

if u plan on being anbu u can go for it once ur jounin.


if anbu recruits u it doesn't matter what rank u are.

a gennin can be a anbu member, a genin can also be a anbu capt. so long as he's the strongest within his own weak little platoon.

they're just titles. not ranks. if u want ranks that determin ability ur gonna have to ask kishimoto to set some cuz he adapted and used old ninjutsu titles that were already in place. like all the different martial arts use generally same ideology fer ranking. he could have used belt systems in naruto if he had felt like it but it wud not have changed any thing.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

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"Not killing him was harder than I imagined.."

Use your bain, if deidara wanted to kill him, he'd easily do so with c4

Lol Gaara's sand would have protected him. Again, he had to attack the village to even be able to LAND an attack on Gaara. HOW WOULD HE HAVE KILLED HIM WHEN HE COULDN'T EVEN MANAGE TO HIT HIM? When he said not killing him blah blah blah, he meant when was finally able to hit him with something. You should use your "bain"

 

[lanakau888]

You do realise being an anbu captain means you are a member, but an elite member. Anyway im not denying the bold part highlighted, but the anbu members we know so far are either kage level (itachi, shisui, kakashi) or jonin level (yamato, fu, torune).

Yep, agree that you have to at least be a jounin to be a captain, but not a member. And you forgot about Sai.

 

[lanakau888]

Lol Gaara's sand would have protected him. Again, he had to attack the village to even be able to LAND an attack on Gaara. HOW WOULD HE HAVE KILLED HIM WHEN HE COULDN'T EVEN MANAGE TO HIT HIM? When he said not killing him blah blah blah, he meant when was finally able to hit him with something. You should use your "bain"

How would gaara have done anything against C3 if he wasn't in a desert? How would gaara have done anything against C4? Deidara obviously can beat gaara.

 

[Urda]

Kakashi has shown no feats to put himself into Kage Ranks. The battle to show that is the battle with Kakazu and Hidan. I would say he is an Elite Jounin, but not anywhere near Kage Level Skill.



Ninja Academy - Genin - Chuunin - Special Jounin - Jounin - Kage

The village Kage is the strongest ninja in the hidden village. The Kage serves as the pillar upon which the village stands and the strength a village presents to the other ninja countries largely depends upon the strength of the Kage in power. They have excellent chakra and stamina and know the most jutsu techniques.

ANBU are not a level, but rather a specialized unit made up of ninja from the Chuunin and Jounin levels. ANBU is a particular group which uses their skills in special ways such as hunting of ninjas who have gone missing and left their hidden village.

 

[lanakau888]

not all anbu are jounin rank

if u plan on being anbu u can go for it once ur jounin.


if anbu recruits u it doesn't matter what rank u are.

a gennin can be a anbu member, a genin can also be a anbu capt. so long as he's the strongest within his own weak little platoon.

This is complete fanmade speculation. Never in the manga has it ever talked about the workings of how people are picked to be in the anbu. You are making all of this up.

 

[novacore]

Strongly disagree with the last sentence, but you already know that xd

Sasori, Itachi, Nagato and Tobi are the only Kage-level ninja. Why? Because they have many techniques that make them powerful. The rest have only one signature technique/ability/trait that makes them an Elite Jounin.

Deidara- Explosive Clay
Kakuzu- Immortality
Hidan- Immortality
Kisame- Swordsmanship
Konan- Origami jutsu
Zetsu- S/T

None of those are Kage level ninja in my opinion

Kisame and konan are imo kage level. especially kisame.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

They both had the same amount of advantages and disadvantages.
Gaara's handicap was that it was in his village. Deidara's handicap was that he didn't think he needed too much clay, so he didn't bring much, and gaara had the topographical advantage.


He was skilled enough to battle hashirama and escape with his life.

Hidan sucks lol

He owns bee, who owns the raikage. What does that make the raikage?

Konon was dispatched quickly by Jiraiya and killed by Tobi even though she had prep time.


white got killed by sasuke. Black fought mizukage and co to a standstill.

I disagree. Gaara was at a greater handicap as he was trying to protect hundreds of villagers. And I am sure Deidara had intel from Sasori on the terrain of the Sand village, though that is just an educated guess.

The only reason he escaped was most likely because Hashirama didn't want him dead. He decided to spare his life.

Holy shit, I already retracted my statement on Kisame, as stated fifty times.

 

[Blaze Release]

How would gaara have done anything against C3 if he wasn't in a desert? How would gaara have done anything against C4? Deidara obviously can beat gaara.

Come to think of it, gaara is lucky diedora didnt use c4. Or else there wouldnt be a sand village anymore xd

 

[lanakau888]

I disagree. Gaara was at a greater handicap as he was trying to protect hundreds of villagers. And I am sure Deidara had intel from Sasori on the terrain of the Sand village, though that is just an educated guess.

Do you think if we took both away, the village and the desert, and left gaara with his gourd of sand and deidara with his bombs that gaara would win?

The only reason he escaped was most likely because Hashirama didn't want him dead. He decided to spare his life.

Why wouldn't hashirama want him dead? There is no reason to spare him, and hashirama was never even hinted at having the Goku factor.

Holy shit, I already retracted my statement on Kisame, as stated fifty times.

but you still call him Low-kage. He owned Bee, yes he had the advantage, but he still owned the guy who owned raikage without even using the eight tails.