Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Fizama]

I mean they were battling him and he looked as though he was toying with them but he was amused with their power. legendary seems to be idk, weird seeing that they fought him for about 2 mins and they were out of breath looking like they were about to pass out.



I said that because we don't need a background a the 1st or madara and his brother or minato because the manga has gone out of its way to actually say this ninjas are powerful and were feared and respected for their power and people went out of their way to obtain their power if they could. sannin were strong but they were respected by people because of who their sensei was and their will of fire.

So you have no real evidence that they are not powerful then?

 

[rahulmenonv13]

the Sanins are powerful as a team!!
as for jiraiya getting beaten by pain; he wud not hav lost if he knew da secret n da rinnegan owerpowered him!!

 

[MiceAndTheMen]

So Kakashi is Kage level?

not a legendary ninja dip shit

 

[Chaotic Blades]

So you have no real evidence that they are not powerful then?

sigh...refer back to my first post. my thread didn't go on about proof the Sannin suck. only idiots who cant read thought that. my thread summarzies that the Sannin are looked upon by people on NB as being powerful when there are certain issues you must soak in to realize where their power level lies

 

[novacore]

Clarify what you mean exactly.

You know exactly what i mean. the one thing you took out of the manga from what jiraiya said is the basis of your argument. FKN TROLL!

 

[Chaotic Blades]

not a legendary ninja dip shit

you people amaze me with you inability to comprehend. that was a response to this...

They are all Kage level ninja; Hell, two of them were even offered the job!

so wtf are you talking about guy? how bout you know what you are talking about first? or better yet just safe yourself the trouble and stfu

 

[Fizama]

sigh...refer back to my first post. my thread didn't go on about proof the Sannin suck. only idiots who cant read thought that. my thread summarzies that the Sannin are looked upon by people on NB as being powerful when there are certain issues you must soak in to realize where their power level lies

Oh that's all dandy.
None of your examples show any lack of power.
They were named sannin when young, vs hanzo.
Oro lost to the 3rd not in his prime? So?
J-man lost to pain? Yeah?
I don't get it. It seems the losses you stated prove nothing.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

You know exactly what i mean. the one thing you took out of the manga from what jiraiya said is the basis of your argument. FKN TROLL!

You couldn't be more incorrect. Cause first I am talking about all the sannin individually. what jirayia said doesn't affect Orochimaru or Tsunade in the slightest. honestly i dont care that he said he was a failure. i just put it in there cause Jirayia himself didnt hold himself in such high regards as you are making him so why are you on his nuts about it?

Oh that's all dandy.
None of your examples show any lack of power.
They were named sannin when young, vs hanzo.
Oro lost to the 3rd not in his prime? So?
J-man lost to pain? Yeah?
I don't get it. It seems the losses you stated prove nothing.

misinterpreting what i said. again i didnt say that lack power, i said they arent powerful. and for one to be powerful they have to beat someone powerful. and essentially they really haven't beaten anyone. its just like in a sport. your not an elite team until you can beat the other elite teams on a constant basis. ive never heard of a team being called elite because they hung in there with a team.

 

[BigTDogg220]

Jiraiya and Orochimaru are easily among the most powerful characters we saw in the series.

 

[SECRETSOFTHESHARINGAN]

So Kakashi is Kage level?

kakashi is way kage level , he is considered a genius & even might guy with the gates hasnt surpassed him

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Jiraiya and Orochimaru are easily among the most powerful characters we saw in the series.

People seem to forget we really only get the view of the Leaf village. had the series been involved around Bee but the storyline remained the same i can almost guarantee you would reconsider that

kakashi is way kage level , he is considered a genius & even might guy with the gates hasnt surpassed him

 

[BigTDogg220]

misinterpreting what i said. again i didnt say that lack power, i said they arent powerful. and for one to be powerful they have to beat someone powerful. and essentially they really haven't beaten anyone. its just like in a sport. your not an elite team until you can beat the other elite teams on a constant basis. ive never heard of a team being called elite because they hung in there with a team.

By that definition wouldn't A, Mei, Onoki, Killer Bee, Kisame, Sasori, the 2nd Hokage, and many other shinobi wouldn't be considered powerful either. You have to have power in order to be powerful...maybe it would be less confusing if you used a different term rather than powerful.

 

[BigTDogg220]

People seem to forget we really only get the view of the Leaf village. had the series been involved around Bee but the storyline remained the same i can almost guarantee you would reconsider that

A had respect for Jiraiya and the 4th Kazekage obviously had enough confidence in Orochimaru to start talks about defeating the Leaf. I do agree that if we had the point of view of another village different characters would have different reputations. Kakashi for example is well known in other villages as well as the Sannin and Hiashi Hyuuga. Many other Leaf Shinobi wouldn't be known if the story focused on a different village.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

By that definition wouldn't A, Mei, Onoki, Killer Bee, Kisame, Sasori, the 2nd Hokage, and many other shinobi wouldn't be considered powerful either. You have to have power in order to be powerful...maybe it would be less confusing if you used a different term rather than powerful.

Well these people are considered powerful and we hardly see their villages or what they do. But ya i need another term. lets just say originally sannin were 4.5-5 out of 5 before part 2. they seem only like a 4 out of 5 now which isnt bad still

A had respect for Jiraiya and the 4th Kazekage obviously had enough confidence in Orochimaru to start talks about defeating the Leaf. I do agree that if we had the point of view of another village different characters would have different reputations. Kakashi for example is well known in other villages as well as the Sannin and Hiashi Hyuuga. Many other Leaf Shinobi wouldn't be known if the story focused on a different village.

dont get me wrong though. The sannin would still be known. along with Kakashi and Naruto and Sasuke. The others would be less heard of.

 

[GodSasuke]

I AM A TROLL AND I AM STUPID

Fixed.

 

[Black Adam]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

1.Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

2.With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

3.This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

4.In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

5.Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. a.However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

6.Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

::stands up and raises hand:: hey how are ya pal couple of points you made I'd like to allude to..

1.The man was still a Kage show some respect for cripes sake! besides that wasn't Oro's technique so he hadn't mastered it....

2.You didn't mention Hanzo being considerably older and more experienced than them sooo....yeah

3.Even pain admits (while praising his old teaher mind you) that Jaraiya may have won the fight had he known the truth of his secret

4.I think that one if pretty self explanatory drugged,traumaphobe,no arms,....

5. And most people are right.....
a.uhh he was desperate perhaps.. the life of that technique was fast approaching again bro.... it's all in the notes... the weaker the host body and chakra level the faster the burnout besides I'm sure that fight with 4 tails Naruto only sped things a little further .........

6.Jaraiya is much older than Naruto when he learned these techniques Kakashi even states the 4th hadn't yet mastered the Rasengan soooo....yeah...that...

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Fixed.

A troll wouldn't say the sannin are strong. a troll would just downright say they suck. you cant handle someones view so you wanna be a prick. haters gonna hate

::stands up and raises hand:: hey how are ya pal couple of points you made I'd like to allude to..

1.The man was still a Kage show some respect for cripes sake! besides that wasn't Oro's technique so he hadn't mastered it....

2.You didn't mention Hanzo being considerably older and more experienced than them sooo....yeah

one and two contradict each other on age and even with the one with 3

3.Even pain admits (while praising his old teaher mind you) that Jaraiya may have won the fight had he known the truth of his secret

4.I think that one if pretty self explanatory drugged,traumaphobe,no arms,....

5. And most people are right.....
a.uhh he was desperate perhaps.. the life of that technique was fast approaching again bro.... it's all in the notes... the weaker the host body and chakra level the faster the burnout besides I'm sure that fight with 4 tails Naruto only sped things a little further .........

he did it to himself??? no one told him to use that body switching technique to be immortal

6.Jaraiya is much older than Naruto when he learned these techniques Kakashi even states the 4th hadn't yet mastered the Rasengan soooo....yeah...that...

Naurto was what 13 or 14 barely adapting to becoming a genin

 

[GodSasuke]

A troll wouldn't say the sannin are strong. a troll would just downright say they suck. you cant handle someones view so you wanna be a prick. haters gonna hate

No, your view is clearly stupid and 99% of the people have disagreed with you and i have viewed some posts where people have proved you wrong yet you are a stubborn motherfuc*ker and can´t accept you are wrong. And yes you are a troll, a good one.

 

[Luther]

The maker of this thread was being pathetic sanins are very strong he probably saw my jiraiya can do better than minato during tobi fight u are a failure

 

[GodSasuke]

The maker of this thread was being pathetic sanins are very strong he probably saw my jiraiya can do better than minato during tobi fight u are a failure

Agreed 100 %