Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Chaotic Blades]

"you can't say Naruto is Kage level without determing how strong other Kages are first. at that point you are comparing."

At that point you are comparing? Apparently you don't want him to compare and that comparing to you is something that he shouldn't do. and even so you are comparing real life to a story. xD some much trolling is spewing from your keyboard.

i either wrote that in bad grammar or you cant comprehend. what i was saying was lets say you said Naruto is Kage level. How would you determine that? In order to do that you would have to compare his strength to that of all kages to determine if he falls under Kage level. if Sakura and Ino were the only two ninjas alive, Sakura would be deemed "powerful" and Kage level as they were the only two alive. comparison is how you determine ones strength

 

[Musicalaudio]

Wow, the Legendary Sannin are AMAZING. Orochimaru perfected edo tensei and alot of forbidden jutsu. Tsunade is the best medic ever, not to mention her creation rebirth jutsu. Jirayia is super pervy, and nothing can beat that (He trained Naruto, the main character).

 

[junior229]

Truly, you are an idiot, if you take that literally. It was not meant to be taken in that context. Wow, i'm astounded you think Kishi meant it like that.

dont bother arguing with that chaotic guy he's one of those people with big mouths over the internet and only his opinion is right no one else matters

 

[junior229]

i either wrote that in bad grammar or you cant comprehend. what i was saying was lets say you said Naruto is Kage level. How would you determine that? In order to do that you would have to compare his strength to that of all kages to determine if he falls under Kage level. if Sakura and Ino were the only two ninjas alive, Sakura would be deemed "powerful" and Kage level as they were the only two alive. comparison is how you determine ones strength

naruto has beaten kages with clones and he is the main character. you must be severely mentally disabled, or just really realllly duuuumb...

 

[DESTRUCTO]

I'm confused chaotic, what do you consider powerful? Seriously... because everybody is giving examples and you just tell them that's not power, that doesn't make them powerful... What is powerful in your eyes? What characters would you consider powerful... Madara, Hashirama, SO6P... They are the most powerful characters in the manga, of course nobody compares to them. However I have come to the conclusion that there is no convincing you.

 

[Wparker6804]

No its not you get an understanding by comparing others. you can't say Naruto is Kage level without determing how strong other Kages are first. at that point you are comparing. im not trying to make them look weak, but give them the appropriate amount of power that have shown throughout the manga. they are strong and should be regarded as that. powerful is another level. they are strong to the leaf because thats the best the leaf had to offer at the time. that didnt mean they were powerful. other ninjas are stronger than them. they do things that outclass your average ninja. but powerful, never really shown. they can manage their own against any ninja but managing and being downright stronger than your opponent is two different things.

So... you can determine the destructive power of ten punds of C4 by shoving a cherry bomb in a mailbox? Terrible comparison, I know (sorry for sounding like a smartellic, just overexagerating and being silly, that's all)--but it's the same point all of the same. True, compare/contrast helps, but it can sometimes hide the truith.

Kages and shinobi rank aren't just about power. Shikimaru was twelve, surrendered his first battle at the exams, and used just one simple jutsu--yet he was the first to reach Chunin. Other people had shown that they posessed more chakra, a wider arsenal of jutsu, and a higher power level, yet they were second on the list at best. Kages are much more about quality than quantity. Kage level is more than just power.
Kakashi stated that Naruto surpased him, but do you think it was just because of one single jutsu that he learned? No, it was because he perfected a jutsu that even the fourth Hokage couldn't do. Learning Sage Mode, the Rasengan and all of its variants, as well as claiming the Kyuubi's chakra for himself isn't what made him surpass others. It wasn't power, but more than that: it was acomplishing those amazing feats. Those feats may have given him great power, but that wasn't the point. Shikimaru's intelect, Naruto and Rock Lee's determination, Sakura's support for her comrads--that's what made them surpass others. People have said that Tsunade wasn't on the same level as her two teamates simply becuse the only thing she had was streingth, healing jutsus, and a silly summoning--no, that wasn't it.

It's just like what Tsunde and Jyraiya tried to teach Orochimaru before he ran off: it's not about jutsus and power that make a person a true shinobi (especially a Kage)--but it's their quality. Power only scratches the surface, and Naruto has shown that to others. Was it evading the Raikage's last attack that allowed him to pass? No. Was it defeating Pain that caused Nagato to go see the truith and save Konoha? No. Was it Naruto learning the Rasengan that caused Tsunade to claim the title of Hokage? No. Is all of his powers and jutsu that makes Naruto a genuine Shinobi? No. It's his character, determination, Ninja way, and his talent for showing the truith to others. It's because he can beome the beast leader for Konoha nd guide them down the right path.

Itachi's last words to Naruto: A person doesn't become a Kage because people acknowlage them, they become acknowlaged because they're hokage.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Wow, the Legendary Sannin are AMAZING. Orochimaru perfected edo tensei and alot of forbidden jutsu. Tsunade is the best medic ever, not to mention her creation rebirth jutsu. Jirayia is super pervy, and nothing can beat that (He trained Naruto, the main character).

Oro did not perfect edo he did however went to advance it. Medical wise Tsunade is great. powerful, is however not in that sentence. um ok with Jirayia. And Iruka trained Naruto at one point too...just saying. being a teacher doesn't deem you powerful. but i agree they are amazing. jirayia happens to be one of my top 3 characters

 

[Fizama]

Oro did not perfect edo he did however went to advance it. Medical wise Tsunade is great. powerful, is however not in that sentence. um ok with Jirayia. And Iruka trained Naruto at one point too...just saying. being a teacher doesn't deem you powerful. but i agree they are amazing. jirayia happens to be one of my top 3 characters

So we need feats in a back-story to know if characters are powerful?

 

[junior229]

So... you can determine the destructive power of ten punds of C4 by shoving a cherry bomb in a mailbox? Terrible comparison, I know (sorry for sounding like a smartellic, just overexagerating and being, that's all)--but it's the same point all of the same. True, compare/contrast helps, but it can sometimes hide the truith.

Kages and shinobi rank aren't just about power. Shikimaru was twelve, surrendered his first battle at the exams, and used just one simple jutsu--yet he was the first to reach Chunin. Other people had shown that they posessed more chakra, a wider arsenal of jutsu, and a higher power level, yet they were second on the list at best. Kages are much more about quality than quantity. Kage level is more than just power.
Kakashi stated that Naruto surpased him, but do you think it was just because of one single jutsu that he learned? No, it was because he perfected a jutsu that even the fourth Hokage couldn't do. Learning Sage Mode, the Rasengan and all of its variants, as well as claiming the Kyuubi's chakra for himself isn't what made him surpass others. It wasn't power, but more than that: it was acomplishing those amazing feats. Those feats may have given him great power, but that wasn't the point. Shikimaru's intelect, Naruto and Rock Lee's determination, Sakura's support for her comrads--that's what made them surpass others. People have said that Tsunade wasn't on the same level as her two temmated simply becuse the only thing she had was streingth, healing jutsus, and a silly summoning--no, that wasn't it.

It's just like what Tsunde and Jyraiya tried to teach Orochimaru before he ran off: it's not about jutsus and power that make a true shinobi (especially a Kage)--but it's their quality. Power only scratches the surface, and Naruto has shown that to others. Was it evading the Rikage's last attack that allowed him to pass? No. Was it defeating Pain that caused Nagato to go streight and save Konoha? No. Was it Naruto learning the Rasengan that caused Tsunade to claim the title of Hokage? No. Is all of his powers and jutsu that makes Naruto a genuine Shinobi? No. It's his character, determination, Ninja way, and his talent for showing the truith to others. It's because he cn beome the beast leader for Konoha nd guide them down the right path.

Itachi's last words to Naruto: A person doesn't become a Kage because people acknowlage them, they become acknowlaged because they're hokage.

you only become powerful when you don't care about power but only care about protecting others and helping them, that's the true power and that's why the manga is called naruto, naruto wants to protect people and things he cares about and naruto gained all this power along the way because he deserved it, naruto only trains and tries to get stronger to protect others not for self satisfaction, which is why naruto always prevails over the villains, because he fights for more than just pure "power"

 

[BaseTrooperNz]

The sannin are pretty strong. Maybe not neccessariy in strength but they also have good battle experiance too.

 

[junior229]

Oro did not perfect edo he did however went to advance it. Medical wise Tsunade is great. powerful, is however not in that sentence. um ok with Jirayia. And Iruka trained Naruto at one point too...just saying. being a teacher doesn't deem you powerful. but i agree they are amazing. jirayia happens to be one of my top 3 characters

jiraiya also trained the 4th hokage, just saying.

 

[DESTRUCTO]

So... you can determine the destructive power of ten punds of C4 by shoving a cherry bomb in a mailbox? Terrible comparison, I know (sorry for sounding like a smartellic, just overexagerating and being silly, that's all)--but it's the same point all of the same. True, compare/contrast helps, but it can sometimes hide the truith.

Kages and shinobi rank aren't just about power. Shikimaru was twelve, surrendered his first battle at the exams, and used just one simple jutsu--yet he was the first to reach Chunin. Other people had shown that they posessed more chakra, a wider arsenal of jutsu, and a higher power level, yet they were second on the list at best. Kages are much more about quality than quantity. Kage level is more than just power.
Kakashi stated that Naruto surpased him, but do you think it was just because of one single jutsu that he learned? No, it was because he perfected a jutsu that even the fourth Hokage couldn't do. Learning Sage Mode, the Rasengan and all of its variants, as well as claiming the Kyuubi's chakra for himself isn't what made him surpass others. It wasn't power, but more than that: it was acomplishing those amazing feats. Those feats may have given him great power, but that wasn't the point. Shikimaru's intelect, Naruto and Rock Lee's determination, Sakura's support for her comrads--that's what made them surpass others. People have said that Tsunade wasn't on the same level as her two teamates simply becuse the only thing she had was streingth, healing jutsus, and a silly summoning--no, that wasn't it.

It's just like what Tsunde and Jyraiya tried to teach Orochimaru before he ran off: it's not about jutsus and power that make a person a true shinobi (especially a Kage)--but it's their quality. Power only scratches the surface, and Naruto has shown that to others. Was it evading the Raikage's last attack that allowed him to pass? No. Was it defeating Pain that caused Nagato to go see the truith and save Konoha? No. Was it Naruto learning the Rasengan that caused Tsunade to claim the title of Hokage? No. Is all of his powers and jutsu that makes Naruto a genuine Shinobi? No. It's his character, determination, Ninja way, and his talent for showing the truith to others. It's because he can beome the beast leader for Konoha nd guide them down the right path.

Itachi's last words to Naruto: A person doesn't become a Kage because people acknowlage them, they become acknowlaged because they're hokage.

That was very well put and well written.

 

[Wparker6804]

you only become powerful when you don't care about power but only care about protecting others and helping them, that's the true power and that's why the manga is called naruto, naruto wants to protect people and things he cares about and naruto gained all this power along the way because he deserved it, naruto only trains and tries to get stronger to protect others not for self satisfaction, which is why naruto always prevails over the villains, because he fights for more than just pure "power"

Are you agreeing, dissagreeing, or just adding? You make a good point, but what I poasted wasn't the entire picture. All of that is a bit much for a single poast, though.

You're right, of coarse, but this poast and mine maybe able to be seen as two different sides of the same coin They're kindah the same, aren't they?

 

[novacore]

I'm confused chaotic, what do you consider powerful? Seriously... because everybody is giving examples and you just tell them that's not power, that doesn't make them powerful... What is powerful in your eyes? What characters would you consider powerful... Madara, Hashirama, SO6P... They are the most powerful characters in the manga, of course nobody compares to them. However I have come to the conclusion that there is no convincing you.

thank you

 

[Chaotic Blades]

dont bother arguing with that chaotic guy he's one of those people with big mouths over the internet and only his opinion is right no one else matters

yet you reply on my thread. ^smart guy

naruto has beaten kages with clones and he is the main character. you must be severely mentally disabled, or just really realllly duuuumb...

wtf are you talking about? nowhere in there was I talking about Naruto being weak or not being able to beat Kages. damn some of you are retarded.

I'm confused chaotic, what do you consider powerful? Seriously... because everybody is giving examples and you just tell them that's not power, that doesn't make them powerful... What is powerful in your eyes? What characters would you consider powerful... Madara, Hashirama, SO6P... They are the most powerful characters in the manga, of course nobody compares to them. However I have come to the conclusion that there is no convincing you.

We are talking about battle strength. not personal accomplishments. atleast that was the point of my thread if even actually read my post instead of just read the F*ing title(which was misleading so my bad)

So... you can determine the destructive power of ten punds of C4 by shoving a cherry bomb in a mailbox? Terrible comparison, I know (sorry for sounding like a smartellic, just overexagerating and being silly, that's all)--but it's the same point all of the same. True, compare/contrast helps, but it can sometimes hide the truith.

Im gonna be honest...that went over my head. I lost the point you were making with that. :shrug:

Kages and shinobi rank aren't just about power. Shikimaru was twelve, surrendered his first battle at the exams, and used just one simple jutsu--yet he was the first to reach Chunin. Other people had shown that they posessed more chakra, a wider arsenal of jutsu, and a higher power level, yet they were second on the list at best. Kages are much more about quality than quantity. Kage level is more than just power.
Kakashi stated that Naruto surpased him, but do you think it was just because of one single jutsu that he learned? No, it was because he perfected a jutsu that even the fourth Hokage couldn't do. Learning Sage Mode, the Rasengan and all of its variants, as well as claiming the Kyuubi's chakra for himself isn't what made him surpass others. It wasn't power, but more than that: it was acomplishing those amazing feats. Those feats may have given him great power, but that wasn't the point. Shikimaru's intelect, Naruto and Rock Lee's determination, Sakura's support for her comrads--that's what made them surpass others. People have said that Tsunade wasn't on the same level as her two teamates simply becuse the only thing she had was streingth, healing jutsus, and a silly summoning--no, that wasn't it.

It's just like what Tsunde and Jyraiya tried to teach Orochimaru before he ran off: it's not about jutsus and power that make a person a true shinobi (especially a Kage)--but it's their quality. Power only scratches the surface, and Naruto has shown that to others. Was it evading the Raikage's last attack that allowed him to pass? No. Was it defeating Pain that caused Nagato to go see the truith and save Konoha? No. Was it Naruto learning the Rasengan that caused Tsunade to claim the title of Hokage? No. Is all of his powers and jutsu that makes Naruto a genuine Shinobi? No. It's his character, determination, Ninja way, and his talent for showing the truith to others. It's because he can beome the beast leader for Konoha nd guide them down the right path.

Itachi's last words to Naruto: A person doesn't become a Kage because people acknowlage them, they become acknowlaged because they're hokage.

we all know the ranks and positions are not all about a person's power. but this thread wasn't about that. idc that they were offered the position of hokage. that has nothing to due with my thread as far as power goes and you just said rank doesn't have to do with just power

 

[junior229]

Are you agreeing, dissagreeing, or just adding? You make a good point, but what I poasted wasn't the entire picture. All of that is a bit much for a single poast, though.

You're right, of coarse, but this poast and mine maybe able to be seen as two different sides of the same coin They're kindah the same, aren't they?

just basically adding

 

[novacore]

quote me where i said don't compare characters cause ive been saying the opposite on my past 2 posts. are you a debate noob? her skills as a medical ninja dont make her powerful. comparing apples to oranges. good job guy. are you hard at learning?

Edit: "No its not you get an understanding by comparing others. you can't say Naruto is Kage level without determing how strong other Kages are first" -I put that about 4, 5 posts above.

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If you are allowed to take things out of context of the manga and completely disregard the true meaning of it, why can't i do the same with your text?

 

[junior229]

wtf are you talking about? nowhere in there was I talking about Naruto being weak or not being able to beat Kages. damn some of you are retarded.

according to you by comparison, sakura or ino are stronger than naruto.

"i either wrote that in bad grammar or you cant comprehend. what i was saying was lets say you said Naruto is Kage level. How would you determine that? In order to do that you would have to compare his strength to that of all kages to determine if he falls under Kage level. if Sakura and Ino were the only two ninjas alive, Sakura would be deemed "powerful" and Kage level as they were the only two alive. comparison is how you determine ones strength"

i was saying that naruto killed kages with his clones, that's how he's kage level.

 

[ShinobiGod]

c4 or c0 could kill Oro. If Oro doesn't know about Hidan's ability he is dead. Tobi would easily beat Oro. kazuka could stand his ground against Oro at best. Kisame could absorb Oro's chakra where he couldn't do much of anything and Oro can't breathe in a dome water. they have their chances

Context clues are hints that an author gives to help define a difficult or unusual word. The clue may appear within the same sentence as the word to which it refers, or it may follow in a preceding sentence. go back to school plz. and it seemed like he was being fairly real. even before he left to the rain he said he was gonna die and said the same things to Tsunade. so you are wrong. and o well that's the life of a ninja. Jirayia also lost to Hanzo and Orochimaru(multiple times said through the series), failed to even beat Oro who had no arms

Hidan cannot Kill Orichimaru..What the hell is he gonna do stab and stab and stab himself until Orchimaru dies...Roll eyes

All of The Sannin fought to a Draw with Danzou. j-Man didn't stop Orochimaru no and when they fought when he had no arms he was poisoned and didn't go into SM,

I read you post and they make little sense. The Sannin are Strong. They would be all star players on Akatsuki. You can't name a single Jounin ninja not in Akatsuki that can beat them...Please try

 

[novacore]

honestly, non of these characters are powerful. Fkn krillin can rape them all. and hes not even a powerful dbz character. what is powerful to you? OH WAIT I FORGOT. you are trolling. damn you got me again!!! good job.