Guy Vs Deva Path

[fastrthnwind]

he was 2 meters away from it before he knocked it away. So 2 meters + a few meters is basically extremely close to the epicenter of a blast that is potentially a kilometer in diameter.

That is what I'm saying. He was extremely close, but not close enough to take on the full force of the blast.

???? hirudora was being compressed and traveling towards kisame at the same time, the blast has to travel to deva in order for gai to make it explode in his face. You also have to take into the account of the amount of time it takes to prep hirudora. Gai has to first pound his hand, which forms the shockwave and then send it forward. He will be extremely hard pressed to do this in the five second interval while he is still being blown back by shinra tensei.

Deva will get caught in the shockwave, but it won't hit him cleanly at all like it hit kisame since deva is too fast and will try to dodge. The shockwave will hurt him, but his durability is great enough to handle many hirudora's that don't directly hit him.

Kakashi survives only 3 shinra tenseis before his durability tops out. Gai in gates has less durability than kakashi since gates lower a person's durability. Deva uses 3 shinra tenseis to defeat gai, while gai uses 2 hirudora's within the intervals which are dodged and shockwave fails to put deva down.

I agree that the time for him to prep the technique takes a little while, but even a glancing blow will still do damage to him as well. The damage will cause pain to weaken significantly despite gai also weakening due to the gate's effects. Although kisame was able to survive this so called 1-hit kill because of his extreme durability, the deva isn't as durable and will eventually collapse after multiple hirudoras.

 

[lanakau888]

That is what I'm saying. He was extremely close, but not close enough to take on the full force of the blast.




I agree that the time for him to prep the technique takes a little while, but even a glancing blow will still do damage to him as well. The damage will cause pain to weaken significantly despite gai also weakening due to the gate's effects. Although kisame was able to survive this so called 1-hit kill because of his extreme durability, the deva isn't as durable and will eventually collapse after multiple hirudoras.

So lets pull all this logic together.

Bijuudama > hirudora
deva can tank bijuudama blast when a few meters from its center.

deva is faster than kisame, and deva (from the bijuudama feat) is more durable than kisame

deva, unlike kisame will try to dodge hirudora, which will result in deva being hit by the shockwave, not the full force like kisame was, and we've seen how well he can survive the blast of a much more powerful attack.

We've also seen that kakashi, who has similar durability to gai, survives three shinra tenseis before he gets incapped. Which means gai will be able to survive three as well, maybe four before getting incaped.

So battle starts (assuming gai is already in 7 gates):
deva uses shinra tensei 4 times, gai uses hirudora three times, deva survives the three hirudora's since he will only get hit by the shockwave, not directly and he can tank a much stronger shockwave, and gai will be incaped after 4 shinra tenseis since not only will he be getting damaged, but the gates will be taking a toll on his body.

Deva wins via this, or chibaku tensei right off the bat.

 

[Retsu]

Deva path was getting hammered by a six tailed Naruto, I think durability isn't a problem for this pain, although it does seem like a few of the pains were weak sauce in that department, honestly, if you wanna know who'd win, put gai in Deva's situation against an enraged six tailed Naruto, if you think he has a chance of winning that fight, I'd be better off talking to a wall

 

[Sasuke4115]

Gai only needs 6 gates then the mrning peacok then daytime tiger but if Deva path can keep up with the intense speed of 6 gates. I dont think so!

 

[fastrthnwind]

So lets pull all this logic together.

Bijuudama > hirudora
deva can tank bijuudama blast when a few meters from its center.

deva is faster than kisame, and deva (from the bijuudama feat) is more durable than kisame

deva, unlike kisame will try to dodge hirudora, which will result in deva being hit by the shockwave, not the full force like kisame was, and we've seen how well he can survive the blast of a much more powerful attack.

We've also seen that kakashi, who has similar durability to gai, survives three shinra tenseis before he gets incapped. Which means gai will be able to survive three as well, maybe four before getting incaped.

So battle starts (assuming gai is already in 7 gates):
deva uses shinra tensei 4 times, gai uses hirudora three times, deva survives the three hirudora's since he will only get hit by the shockwave, not directly and he can tank a much stronger shockwave, and gai will be incaped after 4 shinra tenseis since not only will he be getting damaged, but the gates will be taking a toll on his body.

Deva wins via this, or chibaku tensei right off the bat.

Deva is not more durable than kisame as the deva hardly took on any of the force of bijuudama at all, whereas kisame took on hirudora full blast. Although bijudama is stronger than hirudora, a barely glancing blow rom the bijudama will not be as damaging as a full blow from the less powerful, yet very devastating, hirudora.

Anyways, as you said deva will try to evade the blast to reduce the damage, but the shockwave will still affect him significantly. Since he will be near the focus point of the shockwave, it will affect him moreso than the barely glancing blow of the bijudama. Deva didn't take many hits before he fought naruto in the manga, so deva was is near optimal shape when he fought him. The few hits he took were from KN6 rebounding the shinra tensei the glancing blow from the bijuudama, and the shockwave from KN8's roar. The most damaging blow after KN came from narutos rasengan, which is much weaker that hirudora. This means that it won't take much for deva to fall if the attack is strong enough.

Deva path was getting hammered by a six tailed Naruto, I think durability isn't a problem for this pain, although it does seem like a few of the pains were weak sauce in that department, honestly, if you wanna know who'd win, put gai in Deva's situation against an enraged six tailed Naruto, if you think he has a chance of winning that fight, I'd be better off talking to a wall

Deva only withstood few attacks in the entire fight, and many of them weren't very powerful. Most he either dodged or used shinra tensei. He was defeated after naruto used a rasengan.
If gai faced KN6, then I believe he would lose as well.

 

[Kakashi Fang]

Guy in 7gates will trash deva even if he uses Chibaku Tensei because I believe Guy would be able to smash out of it.