Guy Vs Deva Path

[fastrthnwind]

I'd just like to point out the fact that an extremely weakened and half dead Kisame without Samehada showed no difficulty with keeping up with Guy's speed while in the 7th gate. In fact, if Kisame had known that he couldn't absorb the chakra of Guy's Daytime Tiger then he probably would've given him a pretty hard time. So I don't see why Deva Path wouldn't be able to pull off a Shinra Tensei and, ya know, practically slaughter Gai. Doesn't really matter how fast he is, I won't believe that he can defy gravity until he flies. And, just curious, @ fastrthnwind: how exactly does Daytime Tiger counter Shinra Tensei? I just want to see where you're coming from with that. You're basically saying that Guy can attack gravity itself. @_@ I like Guy, but... uh... no? O_O

Its the shockwave that i'm referring to since it is built up air pressure. Its like a much lighter version of chibaku tensei and when it hits, the shockwave of released pressure is similar to a light shinra tensei. Just my logic, but he could always rebound it back like naruto did in six tails mode with his strength.

Afternoon tiger is dodgeable by the guy who outran the sixtails naruto.
Afternoon tiger's shockwave is tankable by the guy who tanked a bijuudama at almost point blank.

Pain didn't outrun six tailed naruto. He just ran away from the village to get closer to his location so he could use chibaku tensei.
Pain didn't tank the bijuudama either, he used a rock to hit naruto in the face in order to redirect it at the last moment to keep himself from taking most of the damage. If he was hit by that then he would've been annihilated.

 

[Majora]

lol..just..lol

 

[lanakau888]

Pain didn't outrun six tailed naruto. He just ran away from the village to get closer to his location so he could use chibaku tensei.

KN6 naruto was trying to catch deva path, and he wasn't able to hence deva's impressive speed.

Pain didn't tank the bijuudama either, he used a rock to hit naruto in the face in order to redirect it at the last moment to keep himself from taking most of the damage. If he was hit by that then he would've been annihilated.

Okay, which is why I said at near point blank. The bijuudama exploded near him, and the blast radius was a good portion of konoha and a hell lot more powerful and larger than afternoon tiger's especially since its actually a disintegrating explosion rather than just a pure shockwave. Deva was very close to the center when the blast went off.

 

[fastrthnwind]

KN6 naruto was trying to catch deva path, and he wasn't able to hence deva's impressive speed.



Okay, which is why I said at near point blank. The bijuudama exploded near him, and the blast radius was a good portion of konoha and a hell lot more powerful and larger than afternoon tiger's especially since its actually a disintegrating explosion rather than just a pure shockwave. Deva was very close to the center when the blast went off.

Pain had a head start and KN6 naruto eventually caught up, but became sucked in by chibaku tensei.

Even though it was set off near him, it doesn't mean he took on any part of the blast. He didn't take any damage and it only singed part of his clothes. Although the bijuudama is more powerful than daytime tiger, i'm sure getting hit by afternoon tiger full on would be much more damaging than a near miss of a bijuudama.

 

[Retsu]

Deva, Shinra Tensei is way too wide-scale to simply dodge, and I seriously doubt gai at 7 gates can resist it, not to mention that the pain uses those nasty chakra disrupting blades, and if gai does indeed go to the 8th gate, he's dead on his feet considering by the time he finishes doing whatever, his heart will burst, devas powers are very versatile seeing as he can attack and defend with one move, deva with little to no difficulty

 

[lanakau888]

Pain had a head start and KN6 naruto eventually caught up, but became sucked in by chibaku tensei.

He didn't close any distance, they started around the same distance apart and ended around the same distance apart. And this was after running for miles. If the kyuubi was faster, he would have caught up after running miles.

Even though it was set off near him, it doesn't mean he took on any part of the blast. He didn't take any damage and it only singed part of his clothes.

His body was burned as well, and the first panel of deva after the blast went off was him in the crater of the blast.

Although the bijuudama is more powerful than daytime tiger, i'm sure getting hit by afternoon tiger full on would be much more damaging than a near miss of a bijuudama.

Debatable, but if you look at my posts above, I did agree that just one direct hit with hirudora would be survivable by deva, but of course considering hirudora's speed, and deva's speed/reaction feats, gai will not pull this off unless shinra tensei doesn't dispell it since its not a ninjutsu, and deva lets it get right in his face before trying to shinra tensei it. But of course this won't happen since deva has the rinnegan and can see chakra, so he will know that the tiger is not a ninjutsu since it is not made up of chakra.

 

[Masashi Kishi]

Gai wins the battle between just one path unless he is not able to figure out the Shinra Tensei weakness.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Bansho Ten'n combined with a launched chakra blade to a major organ. Those chakra blades are so strong they went through Jiraiya in sage mode's hand and still went into his shoulder.

 

[fastrthnwind]

He didn't close any distance, they started around the same distance apart and ended around the same distance apart. And this was after running for miles. If the kyuubi was faster, he would have caught up after running miles.

Which proves that he didn't outrun KN6

His body was burned as well, and the first panel of deva after the blast went off was him in the crater of the blast.

It was him near the crater of the blast.

Debatable, but if you look at my posts above, I did agree that just one direct hit with hirudora would be survivable by deva, but of course considering hirudora's speed, and deva's speed/reaction feats, gai will not pull this off unless shinra tensei doesn't dispell it since its not a ninjutsu, and deva lets it get right in his face before trying to shinra tensei it. But of course this won't happen since deva has the rinnegan and can see chakra, so he will know that the tiger is not a ninjutsu since it is not made up of chakra.

I'm saying that in between the time he uses shinra tensei he could use hirudora. Besides, the speed of hirudora is around the speed of sound.

 

[kakashi owns all]

gai opens the 8th than kill tendo then dies so a tie ???

 

[Retsu]

Which proves that he didn't outrun KN6



It was him near the crater of the blast.



I'm saying that in between the time he uses shinra tensei he could use hirudora. Besides, the speed of hirudora is around the speed of sound.

Sure he could use day time tiger, but it can't go through shinra tensei because this is the force of gravity, the air itself will be repulsed, it's enough to make daytime tiger a non-factor, and tbh Daytime tiger isn't all that, it was cool in the zetsu fight for how it got around his chakra eating shark jutsu, but I don't see much use for it in this fight

 

[lanakau888]

Which proves that he didn't outrun KN6

Which proves that he is at least as fast as KN6.

It was him near the crater of the blast.

he was IN the crater, hence why it shows him jumping out of he crater in later panels.

I'm saying that in between the time he uses shinra tensei he could use hirudora. Besides, the speed of hirudora is around the speed of sound.

Hirudora doesn't travel at the speed of sound, what lead you to believe this?
It is not that fast, kisame is able to have a conversation with himself during the time it took hirudora to reach him.

 

[Xam]

Guy with mid difficulty.

 

[fastrthnwind]

he was IN the crater, hence why it shows him jumping out of he crater in later panels.

He was in the crater that he made when using the large shinra tensei.

Hirudora doesn't travel at the speed of sound, what lead you to believe this?
It is not that fast, kisame is able to have a conversation with himself during the time it took hirudora to reach him.

If its considered to be a very fast punch as stated by guy in the manga then I would believe it to be a very fast punch. When guy launched himself at kisame is when the punch actually took place. What happened before it was pressure building up into one point. He didn't talk after guy actually came at him to punch him.

 

[Majora]

Guy with mid difficulty.

 

[warlee]

Deva wins.

 

[lanakau888]

He was in the crater that he made when using the large shinra tensei.

Read it again. Deva is shown within the smoldering crater created by the bijuudama hence all the smoke around him. If it was just the crater made by shinra tensei, there would be not smoke since shinra tensei was cast ages ago. The blast radius was waaaay to big for deva or anyone within 1000 m of it to not get caught in it. He and six-tails were near the epicenter.

If its considered to be a very fast punch as stated by guy in the manga then I would believe it to be a very fast punch. When guy launched himself at kisame is when the punch actually took place. What happened before it was pressure building up into one point. He didn't talk after guy actually came at him to punch him.

Statement mean nothing when feats directly contradict them, and in this case the statement doesn't even say that it moves at the speed of sound. The punch was actually SHOWN to be slow enough for kisame to have a conversation with himself, therefore it doesn't travel at the speed of sound, or it does, then kisame travels/reacts to speed of sound attacks, the same kisame who couldn't dodge/react to bee's lariat in V2 which has similar speed to the KN6 naruto that deva outran. So if deva has feats that put him above (significantly I might add) kisame's speed/reaction feats then deva will dodge the attack that only hit kisame since kisame was counting on it being absorbed.

 

[Hei]

chubaki tensei and game over

 

[fastrthnwind]

Read it again. Deva is shown within the smoldering crater created by the bijuudama hence all the smoke around him. If it was just the crater made by shinra tensei, there would be not smoke since shinra tensei was cast ages ago. The blast radius was waaaay to big for deva or anyone within 1000 m of it to not get caught in it. He and six-tails were near the epicenter.

It was smoldering because he was near the blast himself. He might of been near the epicenter, but when he used bansho tensei, he knocked the ball away by a few meters, which kept him just out of range. He was close enough to avoid it almost all together.

Statement mean nothing when feats directly contradict them, and in this case the statement doesn't even say that it moves at the speed of sound. The punch was actually SHOWN to be slow enough for kisame to have a conversation with himself, therefore it doesn't travel at the speed of sound, or it does, then kisame travels/reacts to speed of sound attacks, the same kisame who couldn't dodge/react to bee's lariat in V2 which has similar speed to the KN6 naruto that deva outran. So if deva has feats that put him above (significantly I might add) kisame's speed/reaction feats then deva will dodge the attack that only hit kisame since kisame was counting on it being absorbed.

I've already come to the conclusion that it isn't as fast as the speed of sound as I have no proof to back it up. When gai was compressing the air was when kisame had his conversation with himself. It was right after gai had charged kisame that we saw the shockwave happen and the true speed of hirudora. Deva may be fast, but if he has already used shinra tenshin within 5 seconds, he won't be able to dodge or defend against gai in gates mode launching his fastest attack.

 

[lanakau888]

It was smoldering because he was near the blast himself. He might of been near the epicenter, but when he used bansho tensei, he knocked the ball away by a few meters, which kept him just out of range. He was close enough to avoid it almost all together.

he was 2 meters away from it before he knocked it away. So 2 meters + a few meters is basically extremely close to the epicenter of a blast that is potentially a kilometer in diameter.

I've already come to the conclusion that it isn't as fast as the speed of sound as I have no proof to back it up. When gai was compressing the air was when kisame had his conversation with himself. It was right after gai had charged kisame that we saw the shockwave happen and the true speed of hirudora. Deva may be fast, but if he has already used shinra tenshin within 5 seconds, he won't be able to dodge or defend against gai in gates mode launching his fastest attack.

???? hirudora was being compressed and traveling towards kisame at the same time, the blast has to travel to deva in order for gai to make it explode in his face. You also have to take into the account of the amount of time it takes to prep hirudora. Gai has to first pound his hand, which forms the shockwave and then send it forward. He will be extremely hard pressed to do this in the five second interval while he is still being blown back by shinra tensei.

Deva will get caught in the shockwave, but it won't hit him cleanly at all like it hit kisame since deva is too fast and will try to dodge. The shockwave will hurt him, but his durability is great enough to handle many hirudora's that don't directly hit him.

Kakashi survives only 3 shinra tenseis before his durability tops out. Gai in gates has less durability than kakashi since gates lower a person's durability. Deva uses 3 shinra tenseis to defeat gai, while gai uses 2 hirudora's within the intervals which are dodged and shockwave fails to put deva down.