3rd Raikage V.S 4th Hokage

[iSpeak]

Fact is you called him a "reliable character" or something like that, which he isn't because that statement I made. Also in that very telling of unchanged past, his memory is so fuzzy that he doesn't even remember how the raikage got the scar. But I agree that minato's kunai stab <<< than Raikage's one-finger hellstab. I am just trying to show that minato massive brute strength, enough to cut through or at least inflict some kind of damage on the third.



Doing more damage isn't speculation since a larger rasengan = a more powerful rasengan. Especially since the difference in strength is this much:

Naruto's rasengan:

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Minato's rasengan:

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Minato has already shown to make quick work of the fourth raikage who has much better speed feats than the third. Although their offensive capabilities are enormously apart, it doesn't mean anything as long as minato has a way to kill the third, especially since minato's fighting style is not relyant on a strong defense, or tanking lots of hits, but rather not being hit at all.

I meant reliable as in he was 1 of the only 2 people there. So he should know best. And he doesn't remember how the 3rd got that scar because they both went head to head with their strongest attack and both fell, it would have been hard to tell what happend.

I never meant Minato Rasengan> Naruto Rasengan, I meant we dont know how much more damage Naruto's Rasengan would have done. And it wouldn't be by alot more since Rasenshuriken didn't really do much.

Minato and 4th never finished their fight?? We can never say if that Kunai would have damaged him, that is why I don't believe it would damage the 3rd.
And Minato might have a way to kill the 3rd, but it would take a long time. I believe 3rds chances of hitting 1 attack > Minato's chances hitting 100 attacks.

 

[Infinite Mizu]

even without his kunai that has the seal, in my opinion he would win barely

 

[lanakau888]

I meant reliable as in he was 1 of the only 2 people there. So he should know best. And he doesn't remember how the 3rd got that scar because they both went head to head with their strongest attack and both fell, it would have been hard to tell what happend.

K i Agree

I never meant Minato Rasengan> Naruto Rasengan, I meant we dont know how much more damage Naruto's Rasengan would have done. And it wouldn't be by alot more since Rasenshuriken didn't really do much.

I think it would have done a lot more than naruto's rasengan, but still not that much damage.

Minato and 4th never finished their fight?? We can never say if that Kunai would have damaged him, that is why I don't believe it would damage the 3rd.
And Minato might have a way to kill the 3rd, but it would take a long time. I believe 3rds chances of hitting 1 attack > Minato's chances hitting 100 attacks.

Its pretty obvious A would have at least been seriously wounded since Bee sacrificed his tentacle to take the hit, and A tells Bee that he is sorry that Bee had to save him after the fact.

IDK, hitting the third twice in a vital spot (neck/eyes) will pretty much mean he is done for. And the way I have always seen a battle between the third and minato is minato teleporting the third to somewhere dangerous like a volcano, or high in the air.

Plus there always is the dead demon seal that will end this fight in a draw.

 

[JJR]

4th Hokage will win.
He is fast enough to make the Raikage hurt himself.

 

[iSpeak]

K i Agree


I think it would have done a lot more than naruto's rasengan, but still not that much damage.


Its pretty obvious A would have at least been seriously wounded since Bee sacrificed his tentacle to take the hit, and A tells Bee that he is sorry that Bee had to save him after the fact.

IDK, hitting the third twice in a vital spot (neck/eyes) will pretty much mean he is done for. And the way I have always seen a battle between the third and minato is minato teleporting the third to somewhere dangerous like a volcano, or high in the air.

Plus there always is the dead demon seal that will end this fight in a draw.

I would have easily sacrificed a limb which would grow back on the chances of the 4th 'might' getting damaged by the attack. Bee simply thought his brother might be in danger and pushed in out the way. Cutting through a tentacle is a good feat for Minato but that lightning shroud is a whole nother story.
I would say the best chances of Minato winning is the dead demon seal, but even then it isn't garuanteed. Minato does have good options, I just feel that the 3rd has more of a chance of winning. He is a very well rounded character.

 

[JJR]

Actually Sage mode has naturally faster reflexes than minato does
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No minatos base speed is no where near the level of raikages chakra amplified speed

Not that he has the Info from the 8 tails any way

Naruto was able to dodge the Fourth Raikage's punch only in the "chakra mode".
I don't think the sage mode increase Naruto's speed more then the "fox chakra mode". And the Raikage say that he could not touch Minato.:shrug:
So Minato is as fast or faster than Naruto on any mode.
I don't know about damage him but he is sure faster.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

lol why not ?
look at it.. the 3rd died from 8 tails
the 4th died from 9 tails?
whos better 9 tails soo i think Minato can handle him... easy..

the thrid los to the eight tails but didn't die he died fighting 1000 iwa nin

 

[lanakau888]

I would have easily sacrificed a limb which would grow back on the chances of the 4th 'might' getting damaged by the attack. Bee simply thought his brother might be in danger and pushed in out the way. Cutting through a tentacle is a good feat for Minato but that lightning shroud is a whole nother story.
I would say the best chances of Minato winning is the dead demon seal, but even then it isn't garuanteed. Minato does have good options, I just feel that the 3rd has more of a chance of winning. He is a very well rounded character.

Well, in the upcoming chapters, hopefully raikage's lightning shroud will get more durability feats so we can debate it more. As for the feats it has been shown already, sasuke's chidori was able to cut through the raikage's raiton armor and pierce a couple of inches into his chest. I think that a strike that can both cut through one of the eight tails and cause a small crater in the ground should have at least similar penetrating power to sasuke's chidori. And it still doesn't explain why A appologizes to Bee for having to save him.

But for now, because your argument, I'll change my stance that Minato wins with difficulty to a draw.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Never stated or implied. Ninetails chakra is high in quantity, having near infinite chakra supplies, the quality of its chakra has never been given any such recognition.


What about all the other jutsu naruto has done with KM mode like a basic rasengan. It isn't shown to be any more powerful than a rasengan done in base, but by your logic it should be at least oodama strong.


Look at the raikage on any of those pages right before he gets hit with rasenshuriken. he has no cracks on his arms or body. He has a crack on his forehead because he is still recovering from temari and the long range division's attacks. After he is hit, there is a crap load of cracks on him with regenerative smoke. These cracks later fade away because they are healed by edo tensei as seen later in 555 when they zoom up on the raikage.


Cerebrus is Nagato's multi-headed dog, which was hit by a rasenshuriken, yet has no smoke over his body.

lol the dog was not hit by rasenshuriken it was something called planet rasengan. 9-tails is the strongest tailed beast of course its chakara is strong.

like i said its common sence the 9-tail cloak makes his moves stronger....trust the cracks r always there.

 

[iSpeak]

Well, in the upcoming chapters, hopefully raikage's lightning shroud will get more durability feats so we can debate it more. As for the feats it has been shown already, sasuke's chidori was able to cut through the raikage's raiton armor and pierce a couple of inches into his chest. I think that a strike that can both cut through one of the eight tails and cause a small crater in the ground should have at least similar penetrating power to sasuke's chidori. And it still doesn't explain why A appologizes to Bee for having to save him.

But for now, because your argument, I'll change my stance that Minato wins with difficulty to a draw.

Yeh you brought up some good points about Minato's offence and defence, I can see the fight going either way. It is hard to debate.

 

[lanakau888]

lol the dog was not hit by rasenshuriken it was something called planet rasengan. 9-tails is the strongest tailed beast of course its chakara is strong.

Cmon man, the wind sphere that hit the dog was none other than a rasenshuriken.

like i said its common sence the 9-tail cloak makes his moves stronger....trust the cracks r always there.

It would make sense that an attack powered by RM is stronger than normal, but the feats shown in the manga make it not. An RM rasengan is equal to a normal rasengan. An RM rasenshuriken is equal to a normal rasenshuriken. Actually the rasenshuriken in RM mode created a crater far smaller than the one against kakuzu.

And the cracks are not always there, especially when we see them without cracks and kishi makes it a point to show cracks where the rasengan contacts the raikage's arm, and after an attack.

 

[ShinobiGod]

the 3rd Raikage not being taken down by FRS was bad story telling on part of Kishi....The Shinobi just used a wind net jutsus that damaged his body but not enough to seal him..SO how the hell does FRS a top jutsus now pierce his skin at all...NOt to mention lighting's weakness to Wind........the 3rd Raikage did die agasin't thousand of Shinobi but I still think Minato wins.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Cmon man, the wind sphere that hit the dog was none other than a rasenshuriken.


It would make sense that an attack powered by RM is stronger than normal, but the feats shown in the manga make it not. An RM rasengan is equal to a normal rasengan. An RM rasenshuriken is equal to a normal rasenshuriken. Actually the rasenshuriken in RM mode created a crater far smaller than the one against kakuzu.

And the cracks are not always there, especially when we see them without cracks and kishi makes it a point to show cracks where the rasengan contacts the raikage's arm, and after an attack.

as long as i kno ur smart enough to use ur brain to kno that a rasengan with the 9-tail cloak on it is stronger than a base rasengan i will leave this part of the subject alone.

an 4th would lose he has no attack strong enough to help him win none that we have seen so far. ftg raikage can just go around an pick the kunai up an hold on to them if he wants to...like i said kakashi said naruto surpassed minato if his attacks r useless then so r the 4th hokages.

 

[Masashi Kishi]

The 4th Hokage 波風ミナト (Minato Namikaze) will win this battle.

The 4th Hokage is too intelligent for the 3rd Raikage. However the Raikage is definitely stronger. Minato has the Flying Thunder God 木ノ葉の黄色い閃光 is the nearly unbeatable 1v1.

His intelligence will help him figure out every weakness while he can dodge every attack and summon armies of toads to attack the 3rd Raikage until he runs out of chakra. Space time ninjutsu does not drain chakra. The lightning armor will even run out as it requires chakra and Minato can then instantly appear and cut of the Raikage's veins or some other parts. However Minato will have to wait, this will be a long fight but the 4th Hokage of the Leaf will win, trust me I know what I am talking about. More Minato powers will soon be revealed to you in the manga.

 

[lanakau888]

the 3rd Raikage not being taken down by FRS was bad story telling on part of Kishi....The Shinobi just used a wind net jutsus that damaged his body but not enough to seal him..SO how the hell does FRS a top jutsus now pierce his skin at all...NOt to mention lighting's weakness to Wind........the 3rd Raikage did die agasin't thousand of Shinobi but I still think Minato wins.

Actually the reason why wind net cut him up and rasenshuriken didn't is shown in the manga. Wind net hit the raikage when he didn't have his raiton shield on. The rasenshuriken hit him with his shield up, and it resulted in him being incapacitated for a moment, some damage, and his raiton shield was completely destroyed. If the raikage without his raiton shield was hit by the rasenshuriken, he would have been turned into black dust.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The 4th Hokage 波風ミナト (Minato Namikaze) will win this battle.

The 4th Hokage is too intelligent for the 3rd Raikage. However the Raikage is definitely stronger. Minato has the Flying Thunder God 木ノ葉の黄色い閃光 is the nearly unbeatable 1v1.

His intelligence will help him figure out every weakness while he can dodge every attack and summon armies of toads to attack the 3rd Raikage until he runs out of chakra. Space time ninjutsu does not drain chakra. The lightning armor will even run out as it requires chakra and Minato can then instantly appear and cut of the Raikage's veins or some other parts. However Minato will have to wait, this will be a long fight but the 4th Hokage of the Leaf will win, trust me I know what I am talking about. More Minato powers will soon be revealed to you in the manga.

go off urself

 

[Kakashi Fang]

3rd Raikage wins this hands down!
He can fight for ten days and nights, noone else except maybe Kisame and A can accomplish a feat such as this.
Minatos regular raengan will not hurt him even without Raiton armor, at least not that much he may suffer from rasengan burn or something but that's it.
3rd Raikage will **** Gamabunta and all the other toads up if Minato summons them, he would absolutely massacre their jumping asses.

 

[Xam]

Minato would win if he has techniques that we do not know about, and I am sure he would have many more techniques that we do not know about. However, 3rd Raikage also has a high chance of winning this.

 

[BlasterXL]

damn even the third raikage admited that minato was too fast for him and he was able to dodge his super punch

and minatos rassengan could easilly blast the raikage off its easy win
idk why u all are Over Powering the raikage

 

[blazekev90]

damn even the third raikage admited that minato was too fast for him and he was able to dodge his super punch

and minatos rassengan could easilly blast the raikage off its easy win
idk why u all are Over Powering the raikage

That was the 4h Raikage smart guy, they're talking about the 3rd! :flaw: