the things kamui focuses in has to be moving in a straight line for kamui to work.... Pein's missile, sussano arrow , deidara, pain's needle ... all of those moved in a linear path....
HOW will he sneak up on him? if the battle stars and both of them are looking right at each other??
he snuck up on kakuzu because kakuzu did not know he was there.....
The missile bullet that would kill Choji did not move linearly, Kamui worked as well.and if you would know kakashi he always start with clone,hide underground or use kirigakure, and make diversions . you forget that darui is there too ,kakuzu will not have time to care of his mask and take care of sasori while dealing with darui .
The missile bullet that would kill Choji did not move linearly, Kamui worked as well.and if you would know kakashi he always start with clone,hide underground or use kirigakure, and make diversions . you forget that darui is there too ,kakuzu will not have time to care of his mask and take care of sasori while dealing with darui .
? This is a battle thread.. both opponenets start facing each other.. not a clone and the real one hiding in a bush.... That missile was moving in a straight path
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Down a straight narrow path And yes darui would be busy with kakuzu and his element shooting heart...
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Sasori has 100 puppets + 3rd kazekage + irond sand , and he can controll them all at the same time... The 100 puppets being controlled on his chest where the strings are attached, and the third kaze on his fingers... So tell me how he's going to be dodging all of that?
may i remind you that that jutsu can be used over and over and over again.... and if you get 1 scratch you are paralyzed...
? This is a battle thread.. both opponenets start facing each other.. not a clone and the real one hiding in a bush.... That missile was moving in a straight path
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Down a straight narrow path And yes darui would be busy with kakuzu and his element shooting heart...
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Sasori has 100 puppets + 3rd kazekage + irond sand , and he can controll them all at the same time... The 100 puppets being controlled on his chest where the strings are attached, and the third kaze on his fingers... So tell me how he's going to be dodging all of that?
may i remind you that that jutsu can be used over and over and over again.... and if you get 1 scratch you are paralyzed...
not necessary ,we have to ask the thread owner for the conditions , location etc..but whatever...
I'm not convainced ...
are you saying that kakashi can't follow a moving a non linear object?
yes sasori can control them if he cans see them ,but how sasori will control his puppets if kakashi simply use kirigakure no jutsu or if he hide with the doton jutsu and prepare anything while sasori won't see him like kakashi vs pein .and i doubt that sasori who is almost a puppet has same reflex as pein and itachi .
yes 1 scratch and paralysed ,that's why kakashi would attack vital point fast ,it's his specialty....
not necessary ,we have to ask the thread owner for the conditions , location etc..but whatever...
I'm not convainced ...
are you saying that kakashi can't follow a moving a non linear object?
yes sasori can control them if he cans see them ,but how sasori will control his puppets if kakashi simply use kirigakure no jutsu or if he hide with the doton jutsu and prepare anything while sasori won't see him like kakashi vs pein .and i doubt that sasori who is almost a puppet has same reflex as pein and itachi .
yes 1 scratch and paralysed ,that's why kakashi would attack vital point fast ,it's his specialty....
That's not his specialty... why didnt he finish itachi or kisame fast? why didnt he finish deidara that fast? that's not his specialty... kakuzu just did not know he was there, and he hid his prescence and raikiri'd him... don't act like kakashi has some amazing speed like A etc....he has .5 speed above sasori...
Nidaime Hokage (二代目火影, Second Fire Shadow)
Konoha, Hokage
←He was a superior ninjutsu user, being able to use Water Release without being near the waterside, among many other feats.
This displacement jutsu is a specialty of Hidden Mist shinobi, where one causes a mist to spring forth by lifting up some water, then goes in and out of sight at will from within the pearly-white realm. The mist's thickness is controled by the amount of chakra kneaded into it. Making a liberal use of this, Zabuza carried out a great many assassinations, and was dreaded as the"Prodigy of Silent Murder".
That's not his specialty... why didnt he finish itachi or kisame fast? why didnt he finish deidara that fast? that's not his specialty... kakuzu just did not know he was there, and he hid his prescence and raikiri'd him... don't act like kakashi has some amazing speed like A etc....he has .5 speed above sasori...
Do you really think that he has always the same plan for each ninja?he's one of most versatile ninja,he adapte plans according different situations ,don't try to rush kishi's work when you ask me why he didn't finish itachi and or kisame . he was near to do it to deidara according the the situation.
you abuse about speed ... kakashi's speed and sharingan are enough to deal with sasori .why do you think that nagato and tobi said it that kakshi is fast and move well? they lied?
stop comparing sasori's pupets speed with sasunoo's arrow or amaterasu that's ridiculous.
still sasori can't use his puppets in kirigakure jutsu,can't see kakashi underground,can't rekognize if he's a clone and doesn't have itachi's and pein's reflex that's clear facts.
Wow the fact that this Thread has gone on so long smh this forum is so troll.....I'll Post anyway Kakashi and Darui are DEAD!! Kakashi & Darui at Best imo can take out Sasori....I believe Kamui would work on the Iron Sand he sucked up Sasuke's arrow in a pretty close distance I believe it work. And his weakspot is very visible if they put their head together they can hit it with Darui's laser. Kakuzu now would take them out they'll at best take 2 from him but he's gonna kill these 2 guys......They are just outclassed only person Kakashi can kill in Akatsuki is Hidan and Konan. Darui is the same.
That's not his specialty... why didnt he finish itachi or kisame fast? why didnt he finish deidara that fast? that's not his specialty... kakuzu just did not know he was there, and he hid his prescence and raikiri'd him... don't act like kakashi has some amazing speed like A etc....he has .5 speed above sasori...
Do you really think that he has always the same plan for each ninja?he's one of most versatile ninja,he adapte plans according different situations ,don't try to rush kishi's work when you ask me why he didn't finish itachi and or kisame . he was near to do it to deidara according the the situation.
you abuse about speed ... kakashi's speed and sharingan are enough to deal with sasori .why do you think that nagato and tobi said it that kakshi is fast and move well? they lied?
stop comparing sasori's pupets speed with sasunoo's arrow or amaterasu that's ridiculous.
still sasori can't use his puppets in kirigakure jutsu,can't see kakashi underground,can't rekognize if he's a clone and doesn't have itachi's and pein's reflex that's clear facts.
kakashi is fast but not fast enough to reach up and raikiri sasori...Don't be stupid.. why didnt he do that to itachi then? if he's oh so minato fast , why can't he instantly eliminate the opponent?....No.... Hidan was keeping up with him while running....Why can't sasori use his puppets? i already said kirigakure jutsu requires water nearby..Unless he's zabuza or the 2nd hokage.. look at my previous post.....When sasori sees he went underground what would sasori do? My obvious guess is he would use iron sand to place under his feet and fly upwards, like gaara did... It's very simple... Now we have aerial sasori vs kakashi.... What now?
itachi isn't sasori ,i'll repeat cuz you keep spam same question i already answered.
Do you really think that he has always the same plan for each ninja?he's one of most versatile ninja,he adapte plans according different situations ,don't try to rush kishi's work when you ask me why he didn't finish itachi and or kisame . he was near to do it to deidara according to the situation.
don't trasnform my words ,i said he's enough fast and sasori don't have itachi or pein's reflex .
about hidan you're wrong and again wrong it's proven in firsts pages ,he delaed with kakuzu's mask hidan and kakuzu in the same time .hidan has 3.5 in speed you failed again.
Why can't sasori use his puppets? i already said kirigakure jutsu requires water nearby..Unless he's zabuza or the 2nd hokage.. look at my previous post.....
When sasori sees he went underground what would sasori do? My obvious guess is he would use iron sand to place under his feet and fly upwards, like gaara did... It's very simple... Now we have aerial sasori vs kakashi.... What now?
sasori never did this and gaara's sand is different from the iron sand.
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence .it's include sasori isn't it?...
itachi isn't sasori ,i'll repeat cuz you keep spam same question i already answered.
Do you really think that he has always the same plan for each ninja?he's one of most versatile ninja,he adapte plans according different situations ,don't try to rush kishi's work when you ask me why he didn't finish itachi and or kisame . he was near to do it to deidara according to the situation.
don't trasnform my words ,i said he's enough fast and sasori don't have itachi or pein's reflex .
about hidan you're wrong and again wrong it's proven in firsts pages ,he delaed with kakuzu's mask hidan and kakuzu in the same time .hidan has 3.5 in speed you failed again.
show me where do you see water in the pages from manga.
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sasori never did this and gaara's sand is different from the iron sand.
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence .it's include sasori isn't it?...
Iron sand is different than gaara's sand?
So gaara can fly up on his sand but sasori cant? i would love to here your explanation on why that is.....
And it's clearly stated in the manga and databooks the only ninja to be able to do water release without a water source is the 2nd hokage..... Just because kishi didn't show it didn't mean there wasn't one.. he just didn't show it .. In the anime they showed shikimaru using a portable water jutsu to make a pond of water, which explains how he did it better
You are using Argument of ignorance incorrectly...
Sand is Sand....There is evidence stating that Gaara can step on his sand and go upwards...
There is evidence showing that sasori can make his sand levitate and form objects...
Common sense shows sasori can make a block.step on it... then make the sand levitate....
don't trasnform my words ,i said he's enough fast and sasori don't have itachi or pein's reflex .
By your idiotic logic i can say- Since sasori has never gotten hit by raikiri or any lightning release, that means he can't be hit by raikiri or any lightning release....
That's stupid to think like that... There are good reasons to why sasori would be able to use sand to fly....
And it's clearly stated in the manga and databooks the only ninja to be able to do water release without a water source is the 2nd hokage..... Just because kishi didn't show it didn't mean there wasn't one.. he just didn't show it .. In the anime they showed shikimaru using a portable water jutsu to make a pond of water, which explains how he did it better
WRONG you are a big ignorant ,the official databook that talk about nidaime is databook 2
and it never stated in the databook that he's the only ninja able to use suiton without water source.
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he's maybe the only one who could so powerfull suiton without water source around but kakashi and darui can do it too but pretty less powerfull .
you failed again and talked by ignorance .maybe it was true untill the fight sandaime vs edo orochimaru .you don't even accept kishi's manga it doesn't worth it to talk to an ignorant
You are using Argument of ignorance incorrectly...
Sand is Sand....There is evidence stating that Gaara can step on his sand and go upwards...
There is evidence showing that sasori can make his sand levitate and form objects...
Common sense shows sasori can make a block.step on it... then make the sand levitate....
you are an ignorant the evidence concern gaara not sasori ,yea sand isn't iron sand and gaara isn't sasori.he never did it ,you're blocked so you're inventing something that sasori never did.that's lame and ridiculous.
having 4.5 both doesn't mean that they are equal .tobi and pein got surprised about kakashi's move and speed.waht about sasori? nothing special...
kurenai and itachi has both 5 in genjutsu ,but we all know itachi own her ,you are again more than ridiculous .
you didn't even know that sasori had 4.5.you just discovered it now.you wanted to defend sasori wheareas you ignore his speed and his ability until you invented an ability that he never did .
you're horrible lol
Owarji you aren't a noob you know your Naruto History you are correct most of the time but your an ASS, you play on people's words and twist them around and Highlight minor errors in
others sentence to try and be little their points with minor flaws.....It sucks that you do this but O well
And No ninja besides the 2nd Hokage has created a water jutsus from thin air..Other Shinobi have used their own bodies as thier supply that's why they are spewing water out their mouths you don't need external water for those kinda jutsus....Kisame oddly has spwed up pond/lake size jutsus which is strange but No Water dragon or Shark jutsus has been used without a external water source......Also Owarji because 2 characters have the same stats means nothing...Oro Genjutsus 5 Itachi Genjutsus 5. Itachi's regular genjutsus own Oro.....Kakashi can open a gate he's physicaly faster than Sasori who's not a physical combatant..Sasori is just more skilled so wouldn't be caught off guard
What point are you guys really arguing over though? Kakashi and Darui can't beat Sasori and Kakuzu. Them as a team could manage to kill Sasori at best not Kakuzu he has too many lives, they could take out 3 in full condition but they lack luster to the akatsuki duo....
OMG you're full of crap lol idiot you need reread the manga 10 times .the 4 tails must have sucked oro ,even jiraiya was near to die against naruto tails and get hurt but we all know jiraiya pwn oro .his intentions was not killing naruto , now you retard show me the pages where kakashi fought naruto 4 tails otherwize close your big mouth up and spare us your fantaisie you oro fanboy .
You're a retarted who thinks that kakashi could not beat a sick oro .
,that's not a way to compare 2 ninjas.your arguments are from far the most CRAP i've ever read on this thread.
i can me too say itachi owned orochimaru in his prime ,while oro attacked from behind ,and in 2 second itachi owned him .kakashi did from far a better fight in his 2 fight against itachi so please shut it off and don't bring me your stuff about 4 tails naruto that has nothing to do with kakashi.:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
omg you've got a serious problem ,you can't even see that kakashi with the help of his sharingan reknogized the doton handsign and got him with raikiri ,kakuzu couln't sense kakashi's ,you're just a kakashi underater .and it was not a duel dumbass ,kakashi said himself that he could use mangekyou if they hadn't shown in time you should read manga 10 times to understand you idiot.
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what the hell to compare minato and kakashi you are again out of subject , everyone know that he and sandaime was the only ninja who could do it you retard :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:. .
and what if he fought itachi 30% ? he still got his same speed , ninjutsu ,only his chakra was affected so he couln't use mangekyou because it takes more than 30% ,that way he didn't touch kakashi you mad? :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
i never said sasori<<<<<<chiyo and sakura you morrow ,
i said that sasori died against 2 chicks that's all .sakura and chiyo pushed sasori to his limits and he was forced to use his most powerfull jutsu .he could have win extremely hard difficulty.if you think that kakashi and darui would lose against those who lose against shika team and kankouro ,you have a serious problem
You're failling in all ways Tendou didn't have the 6 path power ,his abillity is repel or attract objects or people. when he destroyed the village he used a powerfull shinrai tensei
Enough of the insults and bashing and flaming towards me simply because I speak the truth rather than complete nonsense. you know what, if you dont want to hear a long rant ill give you a brief right to the point arguement to debunk every myth that you are presenting and if you even doubt one word from this arguement then dont even bother responding with kakashi fanboyism garbage, im sick of the kakashi fanboyism, and im sick of kakashi fanboys even more. The 1st thing i want to address is how you say that sasori is weak because kankuro claimed that he surpassed him. first of all, kankuro surpassed sasori when sasori HAD NO PUPPETS, A PUPPET MASTER WITHOUT PUPPETS IS LIKE A NINJA WITHOUT CHAKRA. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE:flaw::flaw: And get this: those puppets were SASORI'S PUPPETS!! Oh here's the real irony: the puppet that kankuro claimed to have surpassed sasori with is sasori's BODY!! if sasori were to fight kankuro, kankuro wouldnt even have the human puppet. its like saying that sasuke surpassed itachi when sasuke has itachi's eyes. srsly, is this even a subject to argue over? and second, whether kankuro surpassed sasori or not, you are the last person in the universe to be shouting sasori got surpassed by kankuro. why? because kakashi has been getting surpassed by his students faster than FTG. THE WHOLE PREMISE OF NARUTO IS THE WILL OF FIRE, EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE SURPASSED EVENTUALY. So who's really contradicting the manga? kakashi himself has admitted that naruto surpassed him, and that was before naruto even had sage mode:flaw::flaw::flaw: sasuke surpassed kakashi in his 1st debut in shippuden and sasuke's his student, so who's really in the position to be embarrassed? and kankuro actually surpassed or will surpass kakashi, if naruto did then so will kankuro. is that good enough for you?
You really underestimate chiyo, just because she's old that doesn't mean she's weak. she's a kage level ninja and was confident that she can kill kakashi, she conquered a castle by herself and is a legendary puppet master. you overlook very important details and spend more time ranting li8ke a stray dog than actually make good points. another point you overlook is this: sasori's ultimate weapon, and i mean, his weapon of fame, his deadly poison, was so useless in that fight that as if being outnumbered wasnt a big enough handicap, he was literally disabled in that fight and was fighting without arms from how big his handicap was. but despite all that sasori almost killed chiyo but he chose to die on purpose. now, i have one question that i want you to answer. okay we know that sasori lost the fight, we know who beat him, but what does that prove?? tell me, what does losing to 2 woman prove when he had the worst possible circumstances ever alive and yet he still manhandled them and died on purpose? nothing, it proves absolutely nothing at all. sasuke beat itachi, but what does that prove? you aren't looking at the big picture here, you're just nitpicking on unimportant details to underrate a legendary ninja. if sasuke's victory against itachi was a result of circumstance then the fight proves nothing. same for this fight, sasori was a victim of circumstance to the point where everything he had to use as a weapon was already countered right away by those 2. havent you heard of the saying achillies heel? every ninja has that and sakura and chiyo happened to have been sasori's achillies heel.
the argument that kakashi was going to use kamui is very invalid for this obvious reason: kakashi was about to die way long ago in the fight when kakuzu was about to rip his heart out but he got saved by hidan accidentaly. thats called plot no jutsu for hidan coincidentally killing kakuzu's heart 1 second before kakashi was going to die and thats called outside interference. if kakashi were to have a one on one fight against kakuzu he wouldnt have that kind of lucky assistance so he'd get killed like the way he was supposed to.
itachi never owned orochimaru in his prime. number one, orochimaru wasnt in his prime because he didnt have his forbidden jutsu arsenal and orochimaru wasnt INTENDING TO KILL ITACHI NOR HARM HIM. It wasnt a fight to begin with. haven't you heard of the words BODY TRANSFER? Thats not the same as kakashis fight with itachi when kakashi is bloodlusted and fighting to kill. and how am i underrating kakashi? its you who's underrating the great legendary orochimaru, who fought a 4 tailed kyubi in a dying state, who would have killed sasuke on his deathbed but chose not to. orochimaru is not going to get pwned by jiraiya, its actually the opposite orochimaru already pwned jiraiya twice, once 16 yrs ago and the second time when tsunade fought orochimaru. jiraiya=orochimaru, theyre equals u noob. orochimaru when he fought the kyubi was able to tank his TBB and was able to stab naruto and push him back a mile, and would have killed naruto had it not been for the chakra cloak. ill ask you this, if kakashi>sick oro then imagine if he were in naruto's place during the fight. how would he counter 10,000 snakes the way naruto did by smashing the ground? how would he counter hydra technique? summoning technique? kusangi blade, when 4 tailed naruto was speed blitzed by it? oh wait, he wouldnt. kakashi already punked out infront of oro so i doubt he wouldnt again. did you see the look on kakashis face when he stood before oro? is this the brave look of a kage??
OMG you're full of crap lol idiot you need reread the manga 10 times .the 4 tails must have sucked oro ,even jiraiya was near to die against naruto tails and get hurt but we all know jiraiya pwn oro .his intentions was not killing naruto , now you retard show me the pages where kakashi fought naruto 4 tails otherwize close your big mouth up and spare us your fantaisie you oro fanboy .
You're a retarted who thinks that kakashi could not beat a sick oro .
,that's not a way to compare 2 ninjas.your arguments are from far the most CRAP i've ever read on this thread.
i can me too say itachi owned orochimaru in his prime ,while oro attacked from behind ,and in 2 second itachi owned him .kakashi did from far a better fight in his 2 fight against itachi so please shut it off and don't bring me your stuff about 4 tails naruto that has nothing to do with kakashi.:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
omg you've got a serious problem ,you can't even see that kakashi with the help of his sharingan reknogized the doton handsign and got him with raikiri ,kakuzu couln't sense kakashi's ,you're just a kakashi underater .and it was not a duel dumbass ,kakashi said himself that he could use mangekyou if they hadn't shown in time you should read manga 10 times to understand you idiot.
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what the hell to compare minato and kakashi you are again out of subject , everyone know that he and sandaime was the only ninja who could do it you retard :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:. .
and what if he fought itachi 30% ? he still got his same speed , ninjutsu ,only his chakra was affected so he couln't use mangekyou because it takes more than 30% ,that way he didn't touch kakashi you mad? :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
i never said sasori<<<<<<chiyo and sakura you morrow ,
i said that sasori died against 2 chicks that's all .sakura and chiyo pushed sasori to his limits and he was forced to use his most powerfull jutsu .he could have win extremely hard difficulty.if you think that kakashi and darui would lose against those who lose against shika team and kankouro ,you have a serious problem
You're failling in all ways Tendou didn't have the 6 path power ,his abillity is repel or attract objects or people. when he destroyed the village he used a powerfull shinrai tensei
OK ill admit that i have been underrating kakashi, but honestly kakashi is very strong but he'll still get beaten by team sasori. just because he's strong doesnt mean hes the strongest and cant be beaten.
when nagato used the powerful shinra tensei he linked all of his power directly towards tendou, so technically he had the power of all six paths. why do you think when he was about to use it all the other 5 bodies fell on the floor? when tendo fought kakashi he only had 1/6 nagato's power as a result of him dividing his power into 6 parts for the six paths of pain
OMG you're full of crap lol idiot you need reread the manga 10 times .the 4 tails must have sucked oro ,even jiraiya was near to die against naruto tails and get hurt but we all know jiraiya pwn oro .his intentions was not killing naruto , now you retard show me the pages where kakashi fought naruto 4 tails otherwize close your big mouth up and spare us your fantaisie you oro fanboy .
You're a retarted who thinks that kakashi could not beat a sick oro .
,that's not a way to compare 2 ninjas.your arguments are from far the most CRAP i've ever read on this thread.
i can me too say itachi owned orochimaru in his prime ,while oro attacked from behind ,and in 2 second itachi owned him .kakashi did from far a better fight in his 2 fight against itachi so please shut it off and don't bring me your stuff about 4 tails naruto that has nothing to do with kakashi.:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
omg you've got a serious problem ,you can't even see that kakashi with the help of his sharingan reknogized the doton handsign and got him with raikiri ,kakuzu couln't sense kakashi's ,you're just a kakashi underater .and it was not a duel dumbass ,kakashi said himself that he could use mangekyou if they hadn't shown in time you should read manga 10 times to understand you idiot.
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what the hell to compare minato and kakashi you are again out of subject , everyone know that he and sandaime was the only ninja who could do it you retard :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:. .
and what if he fought itachi 30% ? he still got his same speed , ninjutsu ,only his chakra was affected so he couln't use mangekyou because it takes more than 30% ,that way he didn't touch kakashi you mad? :flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:
i never said sasori<<<<<<chiyo and sakura you morrow ,
i said that sasori died against 2 chicks that's all .sakura and chiyo pushed sasori to his limits and he was forced to use his most powerfull jutsu .he could have win extremely hard difficulty.if you think that kakashi and darui would lose against those who lose against shika team and kankouro ,you have a serious problem
You're failling in all ways Tendou didn't have the 6 path power ,his abillity is repel or attract objects or people. when he destroyed the village he used a powerfull shinrai tensei
Face it ppl, Kakuzu and sasori TOGETHER have too much firepower for most ninjas to handle. Especially since kakashi and darui are both mainly close range fighters.