Madara and half powered Muu vs Nagato ( Healthy and mobile) and Itachi(health

[Tosen]

yup the only way i see them beating him is by itachi using the sword of totsuka on him and i have no idea how they can pull that off but with considerable teamwork it might be possible but this fight is more likely madara

Yep trickery my good man, but it could be possible with Itahci brain and Nagato chakra and stamina they could maybe get him with Itachi sword. But while their doing that they have to deal with various meteors and Suasno and all the other EMS and Rinnegan techs. It looks like Madara will win (this is coming from a Nagato fan has you know so my opinion is good has any) and lol we finally agreed on something NICE !!!!

 

[arv993]

Yep trickery my good man, but it could be possible with Itahci brain and Nagato chakra and stamina they could maybe get him with Itachi sword. But while their doing that they have to deal with various meteors and Suasno and all the other EMS and Rinnegan techs. It looks like Madara will win (this is coming from a Nagato fan has you know so my opinion is good has any) and lol we finally agreed on something NICE !!!!

yup we did, now i want to see tobi get in on this want to see his powers with the rinnegan and his 6 paths

 

[Tosen]

yup we did, now i want to see tobi get in on this want to see his powers with the rinnegan and his 6 paths

Yep am still pulling that he is stronger then Madara, esp if the 3 of the 6 paths wasn't a translation error then I see Tobi def winning but who knows.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

I wud love this match and I kinda see Itachi and Pain winning

 

[Sharingdork]

Preta path, he absorbed gaara's sand and rasenshuriken

Alright.

True his susanoo hasn't been shown to seal, but it does show that while using the rinnegan abilities at a much higher level than nagato's for offense, he can stay in susanoo, while activating preta path for defense.

We're not sure if Itachi's sword can pierce Susano'o or not. Because the one susano'o (Itachi's) has been shown to be the ultimate defence, and Sasuke can add Amateratsu to his to make it even better, everyone assumes that all Susano'o's are ultimate defences.

Define what "do stuff more effectively" means.

because Nagato had and trained it longer, it doesn't neccissarily mean that he's stronger than Madara (for some reason), but it does mean that he can use his Rinnegan tech's more effectivly.

 

[lanakau888]

We're not sure if Itachi's sword can pierce Susano'o or not. Because the one susano'o (Itachi's) has been shown to be the ultimate defence, and Sasuke can add Amateratsu to his to make it even better, everyone assumes that all Susano'o's are ultimate defences.

I doubt itachi will even be able to get close enough for the sword to reach madara and have the time for form his complete susanoo. Madara's susanoo also has multiple swords, so if its a susanoo sword fight, madara will most likely win.

because Nagato had and trained it longer, it doesn't neccissarily mean that he's stronger than Madara (for some reason), but it does mean that he can use his Rinnegan tech's more effectivly.

My question from the earlier post was "do stuff more effectively" and now you are saying "use his Rinnegan tech's more effectively." What does that mean? How do you use the rinnegan tech more effectively when once you can use the tech, only the power varies by user, not the mechanics.

 

[Sharingdork]

I doubt itachi will even be able to get close enough for the sword to reach madara and have the time for form his complete susanoo. Madara's susanoo also has multiple swords, so if its a susanoo sword fight, madara will most likely win.

Itachi's Susano'o's sword has the capability to seal anything it touches. As soon as Itachi's Susano'o starts the swordfight, one hit and the swords are gone. seal away the chakra tha makes up Madara's Suano'o.
And as for time, Itachi was able to create enough Susano'o to stop Kirin, which is a split-second strike from the heavens.

My question from the earlier post was "do stuff more effectively" and now you are saying "use his Rinnegan tech's more effectively." What does that mean? How do you use the rinnegan tech more effectively when once you can use the tech, only the power varies by user, not the mechanics.

Madara can use the tech's, but Nagato has learned certain ways to use the tech's that make them even more dangerous (it's almost never about power, but how power is used.)

 

[lanakau888]

Itachi's Susano'o's sword has the capability to seal anything it touches.

Nope its anything it PIERCES. If it seals away anything it touches, it would have sealed away the heads of Orochimaru's hydra technique once it made contact, but it merely severed the heads like a regular sword. It has to stab something in order to seal it.

As soon as Itachi's Susano'o starts the swordfight, one hit and the swords are gone. seal away the chakra tha makes up Madara's Suano'o.
And as for time, Itachi was able to create enough Susano'o to stop Kirin, which is a split-second strike from the heavens.

We don't even know how strong itachi's susanoo was to stop kirin. Kirin was high damaging, but it had a large area of effect meaning itachi wasn't hit by even half of the lightning. If itachi's susanoo had completely tanked kirin, the uchiha compound would not have been destroyed or even damaged. And all the other times that we have seen itachi use susanoo, it was never instand, it takes at least 3 pages for him to form a complete susanoo.

Madara can use the tech's, but Nagato has learned certain ways to use the tech's that make them even more dangerous (it's almost never about power, but how power is used.)

What are these certain ways? I don't see how having more experience using shinra tensei will make your shinra tensi more dangerous than someone elses shinra tensei. The techniques work in the exact same way as nagatos, the only difference is that madara's techniques are far more powerful.

Tell me one way how nagato would use any one of these:
- shinra tensei
- preta path
- asura realm
- human path
- naraka path

more effectively that madara.

 

[Sharingdork]

What are these certain ways? I don't see how having more experience using shinra tensei will make your shinra tensi more dangerous than someone elses shinra tensei. The techniques work in the exact same way as nagatos, the only difference is that madara's techniques are far more powerful.

Tell me one way how nagato would use any one of these:
- shinra tensei
- preta path
- asura realm
- human path
- naraka path

more effectively that madara.

That's for Kishi to answer. But a battle is decided by strategy, not just power (Shikamaru shows this all the time). I'm sure Nagato would have a stronger strategy with Rinnegan tech's than Madara would (Madara could probably figure out strategy's fast, but nagato would have them from the start)

 

[lanakau888]

That's for Kishi to answer. But a battle is decided by strategy, not just power (Shikamaru shows this all the time). I'm sure Nagato would have a stronger strategy with Rinnegan tech's than Madara would (Madara could probably figure out strategy's fast, but nagato would have them from the start)

Cmon dude. Saying a character will beat another because he will "outsmart him" or "has a better strategy" is not a valid argument. How can we even debate things like "intelligence" or "strategy" when those two words are already extremely lucid in terms of meaning and quantity.

A good versus match is argued based on skills of both shinobi and how those skills match up against each other since we can actually quantify them. So far, madara has all of nagato's skills just at a way higher level so madara >>> nagato.

 

[Sharingdork]

Cmon dude. Saying a character will beat another because he will "outsmart him" or "has a better strategy" is not a valid argument. How can we even debate things like "intelligence" or "strategy" when those two words are already extremely lucid in terms of meaning and quantity.

A good versus match is argued based on skills of both shinobi and how those skills match up against each other since we can actually quantify them. So far, madara has all of nagato's skills just at a way higher level so madara >>> nagato.

still, Muu has no sealing jutsu, Madara and Nagato's sealing jutsu (assuming Madara understands how to use the Rinnegan fully) are short range, and Itachi's is close to mid-range (by sheer size of the sword alone). they're all edo, so pure strength is LITTERALLY nothing.

 

[OWanime]

most likely nagato and itachi barely because if they use teamwork even itachi (who is humble) said they could accomplish practically anything with eir dojutsu combined
so yeah

 

[lanakau888]

still, Muu has no sealing jutsu, Madara and Nagato's sealing jutsu (assuming Madara understands how to use the Rinnegan fully) are short range, and Itachi's is close to mid-range (by sheer size of the sword alone). they're all edo, so pure strength is LITTERALLY nothing.

Do nagato and itachi have answers for madara's meteors? No. They both get meteor mashed, and as they are reforming madara soul rips them.

 

[~MC117~]

Nagato and Itachi, but I voted for madara easily -.-' my bad