Itachi vs Minato
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True we cannot assume he has other Genjutsu, but i dont think Kishi would make Itachi say "It's not just these eyes, i can use to cast Genjutsu", if he can only use 2. Itachi has been praised for his Genjutsu abilities, and i don't think all of it goes to his Sharingan. But like i said, the Genjutsu he used on Naruto wasen't a particular Genjutsu.
It's not like that Genjutsu was called" Make Naruto think Sakura/Garra/Sasuke/Kakashi appeared on him" No. It was just a Genjutsu which makes you believe anything Itachi wants you to experience. He even made Naruto believe crows turned into Shuriken, at stabbed him. And even made it appear as if he was floating and dispersed into crows. So actually that wasent just a particular Genjutsu. It was an Genjutsu which he makes you believe something happens or happened, like all of his other Genjutsu does including Tsukiyomi. The only Genjutsu Itachi has, that has a name is Tsukiyomi.
And even if Minato had a Genjutsu defense, he has to first notice that he's even in a Genjutsu. And that would be nearly impossible without a Sharingan, unless Itachi makes the Genjutsu obvious by changing the surroundings, and making some crazy stuff happen. Other than that, Minato would be cluelessly trapped in a Genjutsu, and would probably Rasengan Itachi, thinking he hit Itachi, and that would leave him open for an attack. Or he can just use techniques inside the Genjutsu to cause pain and fatigue to Minato. And even if Minato knows how to escape, it would take concetration and time without a Sharingan. And NAruto even tried to concetrate and release it, but couldn't, since Itachi was making Shuriken stab into Naruto, breaking his concetration. SO escaping ITachi's Genjutsu is a fight within itself. And if you escape he can just cast another. And wouldn't even be drained, since it's not Tsukiyomi.
And if Tsukiyomi gets Minato, which it proabably would he's most likely done, since even Kakashi sharingan was useless. And it's stated who can break Itachi's Tsukiyomi. And Minato dosen't meet the stated requirements.
But Itachi's only hope is to use Genjutsu at the beggining of the match which he probably would. other than that Itachi loses, since Minato can dodge Amaterasu, and Susano'o, and Ninjutsu attacks, and Itachi's Taijutsu
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lets wait till we see minato's abilities b4 judging we do not kno how good his genjutsu resistance skills are, or how he fares against uchihas in general. we only got a little bit of him so lets wait to see more hopefully there are more flashbacks of him.
true but i doubt Minato would even be shown again, unless it's another flashback. But i was just basing stuff off of what we've seen, But if Minato has an quick and efficent Genjutsu release technique then he's TOO overpowered.
if guy could fight itachi while avoiding getting caught by his tsukynomi then so could the 4rth, and since he has FTG lets face it the amatarasu wouldnt be much help either so the main thing is itachis susanoo...if minato summoned a large toad like gamabunta for instance and used collaboration jutsu with him then he would stand on fairly even ground with susanoo but the real question then is could he survive long enough for itachi to get tired from the negative effects of his sharingan? or would itachi seal him with his blade before then? all in all I would say the 4rth wins because he would be able to avoid itachis attacks...and heres the thing about itachis attacks, they are very poweful but they greatly injure his body when over used so since the 4rth has FTG and toad summons to gain him distraction and distance he is kind of an expert "dodger" or avoidance-expert if you will, which means itachi would end up wasting his powerful attacks and end up tiring down and thus losing
You think Itachi would just keep useing Amaterasu and Ninjutsu on an opponent as fast as Minato? lol. He dosent even use that on slow opponents.
And Guy probably would've been killed if Itachi never left. Fighting Itachi while looking at his feet, is underestimating Itachi at the greatest extent. Besides Asuma said" you're like the only one who could do that" (To Guy). So Minato most likely can't.
And Guy only can do that cuz he has a rival he fights all the time that posses a Sharingan. Kakashi is slower than Itachi, Non- Uchiha, and dosen't specialize in Genjutsu like Itachi does. So the same method Guy uses against Kakashi, is almost useless against Itachi.
Besides Itachi barely even moves his feet in a match, because he dosen't use Taijutsu that much. So that "looking at Itachi's feet" method is stupid, since Itachi has Genjutsu that DOSEN'T require eye contact.
He just ends it with Genjutsu at the beggining of the match. (Not Tsukiyomi).
Besides Minato probably dosen't even know about Tsukiyomi, or knows that it's done by looking at his eyes. So we can't just assume he'll avoid it.
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I'm not really sure how it leaves him vulnerable to Amaterasu, nor how Naruto's sense of evil intent has to do with it.
Why can't you?
Again, how do you know it wasn't all (most) based on the Sharingan...The jutsu he used on Naruto was that caused that sensation was called Emphmeral I'm not sure about the crow jutsu, but as it was a reaccuring jutsu, it wasn't random genjutsu but a specific technique. The jutsu he used on Kurenai had a name, as well as the technique he used on Orochimaru (if I can recall them later I'll get back to you, give me a moment).
Detection of a gen isn't impossible and all of Itachi's gen had those sort of affects that weren't inconspicuous. Also I wouldn't compare Naruto's abilities to Minato's. Father and son yes, but given the fact that Naruto was 16 at the time, and was and still is very weak in genjutsu, it doesn't speak on Minato's abilities to release gen. The level of concentration and required time to release genjutsu all depends on the user's ability in that feild.
The use of any jutsu requires chakra, dojutsu gen may be less consuming (for native users, as Kakashi states his fatiuge from using the standard sharingan due to his lack of the Uchiha blood which assists in maintaining the chakra).
However I'm advocating for Minato right now, but I believe that this match would end in a draw. We still don't know to what extent Minato's gen defense is so we don't know if he's a dud like naruto or if he's strong enough to release/cast genjutsu quickly....Also the summoning jutsu provides Minato with more then enough defense against genjutsu as well, should he remain close to his toad(s) he summons he could have them release himself from any gen just as soon as it's cast, should either of them catch it in time.
Have to go right now, Hw and second dinner.
Genjutsu he used on Kurenai wasent his. It was kurenai's own Genjutsu. Itachi just reversed it onto her. It was a technique that reverses Genjutsu. Demon earth heaven change. (somethin like that).
The Genjutsu he used on Orochimaru was a paralysis Genjutsu.
Yeah you're right about emphereal.
And Minato would not summon Gamabunta at the beggining of A battle. Even if he does, He'll easily be Amaterasu'ed.
Like i said Itachi's only hope is to use Genjutsu before the battle starts. and Peace.
Welll, Minato knows where his seals are so he can use that as a guide to prevent him from being decieved by genjutsu, Im pretty sure he can break Itachi' eye contact less non Tsukiyomi genjutsu with the normal disturb your chakra flow way, it takes chakra control to do this which is probably why Naruto failed at it, Orochimaru wanted to do it but Itachi didnt let him, he cut off his hand, the pain from the cutting off his hand then broke the genjutsu on Orochimaru so pain is still another option Minato has, if Shikamaru knows that(against Tayuya), Kurenai knows that(against Itachi), Pakkun(to free Shikamaru so that they can chase Sasuke) knows that then I think Hokage Minato will know that too. Minato will definitely not get caught in Tsukiyomi.
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The act of reversing the jutsu was a genjutsu itself. It is categorized as a genjutsu, and he reversed it with his sharingan, Demonic Illusion: Change of Heaven and Earth...the jutsu that caused the stakes to impale Orochimaru was called Demonic Illusion: Shakling Stakes (again that was a dojutsu gen). There was ephemeral, and the jutsu he used on Kakashi (the one with the body being burned idk). Gamabunta isn't the only toad that can be summoned.
I just had to get this last statement in because I remembered, now I'm out, I'll come back tomorrow maybe, if I remember lolxd
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Undoubtedly Itachi's strongest Genjutsu are based on the Sharingan. But even those strong ilussions don't always require eye contact. Magen: Kasegui, the Genjutsu he used to defeat Orochimaru, the one that impales the enemy, doesn't need eye contact. That's a 100% proved, since that's how Kishi said it in the Scrolls of Sha. There's also a small part about Genjutsu and how to cancel them. It's written there that a second person is necessary to cancel a Genjutsu based on the Sharingan. Those aren't just normal ilussions. There's a reason why Kakashi said that fighting someone like him one on one is impossible. I mean, how should Minato be able to cancel an ilussion if he's paralyzed and unable to form seals?
Anyway I don't see how he's supposed to dodge Amaterasu either. If Itachi seriously intends to kill Minato, he'll doubtlessly use Tsukuyomi the moment Minato looks into his eyes. You're talking about avoiding eye contact. But how should Minato know about Tsukuyomi? It's totally normal to look into the enemy's eyes. Even if he would be aware of it, eye contact can happen at any time, even if not intended. Even if he somehow would manage it to dodge it; Itachi could simply use a small ilussion to make his Amaterasu unseen the instand it can be seen. Like Madara said, the trick lies in how to use even a small, weak Genjutsu.
Even if Minato could, however, avoid both Itachis Genjutsu & his Amaterasu, I don't see what he intends to do against Susanoo.
Anyway I don't see how he's supposed to dodge Amaterasu either. If Itachi seriously intends to kill Minato, he'll doubtlessly use Tsukuyomi the moment Minato looks into his eyes. You're talking about avoiding eye contact. But how should Minato know about Tsukuyomi? It's totally normal to look into the enemy's eyes. Even if he would be aware of it, eye contact can happen at any time, even if not intended. Even if he somehow would manage it to dodge it; Itachi could simply use a small ilussion to make his Amaterasu unseen the instand it can be seen. Like Madara said, the trick lies in how to use even a small, weak Genjutsu.
Even if Minato could, however, avoid both Itachis Genjutsu & his Amaterasu, I don't see what he intends to do against Susanoo.
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I hate to spam Minatos FTG but to be honest it really is worst jutsu for itachi to have to face, I mean minato could use it at the last second to dodge amatarasu...if he does this more then a few times it would tire itachi down leaving him to resort to his susanoo
On the other hand, like I said before Minato could defend against tsukynomi by watching his feet and he could still avoid amatarasu simply by not standing still, asuma didnt say guy is the only one that could do this and since the 4rth was known as a genius it is highly realistic to assume he could accomplish this again, so once again itachi would tire himself down if he used that tech as well and be left to resort to susanoo
So either way we see Itachi being left with susanoo as his only option so lets talk about minato vs susanoo:
Minato would be able to dodge susanoos attacks with FTG theirs no question in that, but what about defeat susanoo? well thats where the real problem lies...if minato uses massive summons like gamabunta he can face susanoos sealing blade while avoiding getting sealed by it, if he could manage to survive long enough while doing this, which is more then reasonable since he also has FTG then Itachi would be tired down by his susanoo as well
Ultimatley the negative effects Itachis sharingan has on his body would be his downfall, although as far as I can tell I cant see a way for Minato to fight offensively against susanoo so sruviving, which he is beyond well equipped for, is probably his only option...aside from the reaper death seal wich would seal them both.
On the other hand, like I said before Minato could defend against tsukynomi by watching his feet and he could still avoid amatarasu simply by not standing still, asuma didnt say guy is the only one that could do this and since the 4rth was known as a genius it is highly realistic to assume he could accomplish this again, so once again itachi would tire himself down if he used that tech as well and be left to resort to susanoo
So either way we see Itachi being left with susanoo as his only option so lets talk about minato vs susanoo:
Minato would be able to dodge susanoos attacks with FTG theirs no question in that, but what about defeat susanoo? well thats where the real problem lies...if minato uses massive summons like gamabunta he can face susanoos sealing blade while avoiding getting sealed by it, if he could manage to survive long enough while doing this, which is more then reasonable since he also has FTG then Itachi would be tired down by his susanoo as well
Ultimatley the negative effects Itachis sharingan has on his body would be his downfall, although as far as I can tell I cant see a way for Minato to fight offensively against susanoo so sruviving, which he is beyond well equipped for, is probably his only option...aside from the reaper death seal wich would seal them both.