Nagato "Destined Child" Crap from Kishi

[Pain1215]

During his fight with konan Tobi claimed that he gave rinnegan to nagato. I thought that tobi probably created some situations like konoha ninjas killing nagato's parents infront of his eyes so that he could awaken rinnegan powers.

Now it looks like tobi transplanted rinnegan eyes to nagato.

So why the hell did kishi made nagato the destined child of destruction.Even Jiraiya thought nagato was the reincarnation of So6P.

How can nagato become destined child if he is using some borrowed powers?
This is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[AbukariDogMan]

kishi hadn't thought of that at the time, remember his making the story up as it goes.

 

[frenk]

Maybe jiriaya was wrong?? Don't forget.. Nagato was strong

 

[Baka Sennin]

the destined child is actually naruto... jiraiya THOUGHT nagato might be the one, same as he also thought minato might be the child of the prophecy. although the prophecy didn't have anything to do with how powerful the child's eyes were, it was just that jiraiya had to make a choice and the outcome of that choice would result in the child bringing great stability or destruction. jiraiya chose to not give up and help naruto beat pain, therefore putting him on the right path. if he had given up i suppose nagato would have indeed been the child of the prophecy and brought great destruction

 

[Pain1215]

Maybe jiriaya was wrong?? Don't forget.. Nagato was strong

Jiraiya was wrong its ok, But Kishi gave so much hype to that "destined child" thing and Naruto became the destined child of peace after he made nagato change his mind.
So much hype to Pein arc and finally we learn't that nagato used some borrowed powers just like kakashi's sharingan powers.

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

Sasuke borrowing Itachi's eyes to gain EMS , doesn't make him any less weak
Naruto borrowing the Fox's chakra ( given to him by Minato )doesn't make him any less weak
Nagato Using Borrowed Rinnegan doesn't make him any less weak ( that's if Tobi wasn't lying )

Using borrowed powers doesn't make the person weaker or anything.Jiraiya saw him with a power ( whether borrowed or not it doesn't matter ) that can change the world.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

yeah u were right i don't see nagato in here

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[lubricati0n]

During his fight with konan Tobi claimed that he gave rinnegan to nagato. I thought that tobi probably created some situations like konoha ninjas killing nagato's parents infront of his eyes so that he could awaken rinnegan powers.

Now it looks like tobi transplanted rinnegan eyes to nagato.

So why the hell did kishi made nagato the destined child of destruction.Even Jiraiya thought nagato was the reincarnation of So6P.

How can nagato become destined child if he is using some borrowed powers?
This is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The Rinnengan is an active dojutsu, if it was transplanted how did it get awakened?

 

[Punk Hazard]

did jiraiya know tobi gave it to him? no

 

[Pain1215]

The Rinnengan is an active dojutsu, if it was transplanted how did it get awakened?

Thats what I want to know, edo madara said he awakened rinnegan just before his death and tobi said nagato's eyes were his, so tobi should've transplated rinnegan eyes to nagato as he was uzumaki with strong lifeforce and huge chakra.

 

[Tosen]

yeah u were right i don't see nagato in here

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LMAO you just had to do that


But back to the discussion, we still aren't 100% if Nagato got his eyes from Tobi ( although it looking that way) but even so it doesn't matters how you got the power, just matters if you have it or not. All jinchurikis are on borrowed powers then and Naruto can't be the destined child using your logic.

 

[lubricati0n]

Thats what I want to know, edo madara said he awakened rinnegan just before his death and tobi said nagato's eyes were his, so tobi should've transplated rinnegan eyes to nagato as he was uzumaki with strong lifeforce and huge chakra.

I think Tobi somehow made the Konoha ninjas through unknown means to attack Nagato's parents, hence causing Nagato to awaken the Rinnengan.

As for Madara, we've seen him change from 3 tomoe Sharingan, to EMS then to Rinnengan. If Madara did transplant to Nagato, that means Nagato should be able to switch between the 2 dojutsu since both powers are in the same eyeball. But since we've only seen Nagato with an active Rinnengan that can't be turned off/on then it's highly unlikely it was transplanted.

Also if it was transplanted to Nagato, Tobi who took the eyes wouldn't need to use Sharingan in one socket and Rinnengan in the other.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I think Tobi somehow made the Konoha ninjas through unknown means to attack Nagato's parents, hence causing Nagato to awaken the Rinnengan.

As for Madara, we've seen him change from 3 tomoe Sharingan, to EMS then to Rinnengan. If Madara did transplant to Nagato, that means Nagato should be able to switch between the 2 dojutsu since both powers are in the same eyeball. But since we've only seen Nagato with an active Rinnengan that can't be turned off/on then it's highly unlikely it was transplanted.

Also if it was transplanted to Nagato, Tobi who took the eyes wouldn't need to use Sharingan in one socket and Rinnengan in the other.

so how come edo madara know nagato ?

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

so how come edo madara know nagato ?

just because Edo Madara knows Nagato doesn't mean he's the one that gave him the Rinnegan . This is your theory wait for it to be proved.

+ Tobi is the one who claimed to have given them to Nagato , as far as I am concerned ( until proven otherwise) Tobi isn't Madara.

 

[Uzumaki Gaara]

I think transplanted eyes will always be active. Like Kakashi's and Danzo sharingan if applied to people who let's say not a Uchiha..

 

[opticsnm]

kishi hadn't thought of that at the time, remember his making the story up as it goes.

i hate the fact that he does that but it just shows you how smart he is

 

[Tawleyn]

I think transplanted eyes will always be active. Like Kakashi's and Danzo sharingan if applied to people who let's say not a Uchiha..

This. ^^^^

We never see Nagato deactivate his rinnegan, even throughout his backstory it is constantly on. Since he has two eyes, his drainage of energy could be because he can't turn either off so it's constantly draining chakra like it does with kakashi.

It's just that nagato was an uzumaki with a very large reserve/regenerative property.

So it's very possible nagato's eyes were transplanted. However, as for the destined child thing, it doesn't really matter how the person is said destined child, just that he is and a prophecy is just a vague prediction.

Nobody can decipher a prophecy perfectly, just get a really good guess.

 

[Pain1215]

This. ^^^^

Nobody can decipher a prophecy perfectly, just get a really good guess.

looks like I have to live with answer, that its just another plot, but very disappointed
so Ma frog was right when she said not to listen to that old frog's blabbering

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

During his fight with konan Tobi claimed that he gave rinnegan to nagato. I thought that tobi probably created some situations like konoha ninjas killing nagato's parents infront of his eyes so that he could awaken rinnegan powers.

Now it looks like tobi transplanted rinnegan eyes to nagato.

So why the hell did kishi made nagato the destined child of destruction.Even Jiraiya thought nagato was the reincarnation of So6P.

How can nagato become destined child if he is using some borrowed powers?
This is ridiculous.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's not rinnegan what makes him destined child. It was his vision, his way of ninja that made Jiraya to believe he could be the destined child and only then comes the power he possesed. Having rinnegan is just one thing but utilizing it's powers is another. Remember Nagato said he could only use some small percentage of rinnegans potential compared to SO6P. It was because of Nagato's huge ass chakra reserves and his gutsiness that he was so powerful. If you would give Rinnegan to Ten Ten she probably wouldm just die from having it xD.

Tobi has rinnegan, tho needs someone to synch with Gedo Mazo, why do you think it is that way? I believe Gedo Mazo is sucking your life reserves so only someone with huge chakra pool and strong life reserve could summon and control it, otherwise it's lethal.

Im not fond of him but Nagato was a beast nonetheless. He was the 3rd Sage of six paths.

 

[Floydical]

The Rinnengan is an active dojutsu, if it was transplanted how did it get awakened?

Simple, Madara made him think he awakened it. The scenario could have gone like this:

At the time Madara awakened Rinnegan, he already knew he was close to death. Therefore, he staged the events of Nagato's 'awakening' by giving him his eyes while he slept and casting a genjustu on him when he awoke. Ever since he had them implanted, they were active and he only thought he awakened them, when rather they were given to them.

Perhaps Madara even had Tobi cast the genjutsu on Nagato, knowing he could not do it once he gave up his eyes.

I think Tobi somehow made the Konoha ninjas through unknown means to attack Nagato's parents, hence causing Nagato to awaken the Rinnengan.

As for Madara, we've seen him change from 3 tomoe Sharingan, to EMS then to Rinnengan. If Madara did transplant to Nagato, that means Nagato should be able to switch between the 2 dojutsu since both powers are in the same eyeball. But since we've only seen Nagato with an active Rinnengan that can't be turned off/on then it's highly unlikely it was transplanted.

Also if it was transplanted to Nagato, Tobi who took the eyes wouldn't need to use Sharingan in one socket and Rinnengan in the other.

Wrong. Once the eye is transplanted, it stays in its current state. Madara could only switch between because he awakened them all legitimately. What we don't know is whether or not Nagato could have used Susanoo if he knew it had the capability. Or perhaps if you can only use Rinnegan, and not EMS/ Rinnegan, you can't actually use EMS techs.