[Discussion] what do people have against hashirama defeating madara

[nagato2]

we all kno that hashirama was majorly powerful and also you can't use the edo tensais full power unless you know all of their powers, any way look here a quot from narutwikia

Hashirama Senju was considered by both Madara Uchiha and several Konoha Jōnin as the most powerful ninja of his time

and also hashirama created the scroll of seals, that alone proves his power, and i highly doubt orochimaru knew every jutsu within the scroll of seals. so until we see hashi fight madara do not make baseless theories that he coulnt beat madara fair and square.

 

[ackeem1992]

the 1st is a beast

 

[-Vegeta-]

I have nothing against it, but it does get on my nerves when people say he defeated rinnegan madara when that clearly isn't true. Madara even stated he obtained those eyes shortly before his death, which means he was on the verge of death when he awakened those eyes.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

we all kno that hashirama was majorly powerful and also you can't use the edo tensais full power unless you know all of their powers, any way look here a quot from narutwikia

and also hashirama created the scroll of seals, that alone proves his power, and i highly doubt orochimaru knew every jutsu within the scroll of seals. so until we see hashi fight madara do not make baseless theories that he coulnt beat madara fair and square.

i agree with you cuz when orochimaru brought hm back he was strong but we wasnt used to his full potential. but then again kabuto and orochimaru studied madaras body ten times harder to guess what was on the stone monument so they definetly spent more time on madara

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

I have nothing against it, but it does get on my nerves when people say he defeated rinnegan madara when that clearly isn't true. Madara even stated he obtained those eyes shortly before his death, which means he was on the verge of death when he awakened those eyes.

i bet or just disappeared to come up with this plan in todays naruto

 

[nagato2]

I have nothing against it, but it does get on my nerves when people say he defeated rinnegan madara when that clearly isn't true. Madara even stated he obtained those eyes shortly before his death, which means he was on the verge of death when he awakened those eyes.

sasuke awakened the third tomoe of the sharingan shortly before defeating naruto. shortly doesn't mean exactly right before he died.

 

[Dukeofhell]

things are getting so complicated, if madara is that strong, how on earth did the 1st beat him, except for wood power, on top of that how can the 3rd be stronger than madara and the 1st, this is getting so complicated. ~_@

 

[Mizukata]

Madara has the eternal magekyo sharingan with loads of abilities that come with it.wood release well makes you control tailed beasts and wood;water and earth it looks less than having the best jutsus...
harashiama was a genious...people might not get it

 

[theprimera]

I have nothing against it, but it does get on my nerves when people say he defeated rinnegan madara when that clearly isn't true. Madara even stated he obtained those eyes shortly before his death, which means he was on the verge of death when he awakened those eyes.

shortly b4 his death could mean a month 3 months even. you only wish it was seconds b4 his demise, but if uchiha fans weren't such A holes when it comes to recognising the strengths of the other legendary ninjas this revelation would not be so disheartening. SERVES YOU ALL RIGHT!!!! LULZxd

 

[Ichinaru]

I think Kishi might show us the greatest ninja fight, Hashirama vs Madara. If now isn't right time, i don't know when is...

 

[iCuRiddY]

Exactly... he said he awakened those eyes shortly before his death. This could have been a couplevof months or weeks before his battle with the 1st.
Truth is the first was increadibly strong... otherwise he wouldnt have been respected by madara the way he was....
And madara did lose to the first.... therefore the 1st was strong people should really stop hating on him.

 

[Escorpiius]

It's the account that doesn't makes me believe that he defeated Madara fair and square.

- His Edo version despite being weaker cause' of Oro's mastery should atleast do much better than what he did considering Sarutobi was extremely aging and Tobirama and Orochimaru was on his side.
- Kakuzu claimed to have fight him. Seriously, he fought the "Best Ninja" and still didn't die despite we all knows Kakuzu's power. Hashirama seems more like an overhyped myth than clear-cut legend status.
- The Mokuton though extremely weak version of Yamato does not impress like it should. Sure, that of Hashirama must have been like 10 times better but still...it doesn't give a good account of Hashirama. That will mean that Yamato is like 10% of Hashirama when we all know Yamato's powers.

With all the great things that Madara showed us and all the poor accounts Hashirama showed us, his strength is just based on poor assumptions to me. His fight is being imagined godlier when perhaps he won by having some help or by fluke. I won't consider Hashirama as the Great Ninja until Kishi shows us that Hashirama did beat Madara fair and square.

His case reminds me of Hanzo who was all hyped as greatness by fighting the 3 Sannins and in the end, didn't match that expectations and right now, Jiraiya or Oro still seem like much better than him. Just like that, Madara seems so much better than Hashirama.

I repeat, Hashirama was great surely but not to the extent to defeat Madara fair and square.

 

[JMAN]

It's the account that doesn't makes me believe that he defeated Madara fair and square.

- His Edo version despite being weaker cause' of Oro's mastery should atleast do much better than what he did considering Sarutobi was extremely aging and Tobirama and Orochimaru was on his side.
- Kakuzu claimed to have fight him. Seriously, he fought the "Best Ninja" and still didn't die despite we all knows Kakuzu's power. Hashirama seems more like an overhyped myth than clear-cut legend status.
- The Mokuton though extremely weak version of Yamato does not impress like it should. Sure, that of Hashirama must have been like 10 times better but still...it doesn't give a good account of Hashirama. That will mean that Yamato is like 10% of Hashirama when we all know Yamato's powers.

With all the great things that Madara showed us and all the poor accounts Hashirama showed us, his strength is just based on poor assumptions to me. His fight is being imagined godlier when perhaps he won by having some help or by fluke. I won't consider Hashirama as the Great Ninja until Kishi shows us that Hashirama did beat Madara fair and square.

His case reminds me of Hanzo who was all hyped as greatness by fighting the 3 Sannins and in the end, didn't match that expectations and right now, Jiraiya or Oro still seem like much better than him. Just like that, Madara seems so much better than Hashirama.

I repeat, Hashirama was great surely but not to the extent to defeat Madara fair and square.

You are forgetting something here !!
Hashirama is at least of equal strength with Madara ! because they were the leaders of the Two main clans , the senju and the Uchiha and they were considered rivals and already fought couple of times before !
Maybe Hashirama was known for his unique Wood style , but he can also have lots of other jutsus . And don't forget he has Body of SO6P.

 

[~Yubel~]

Madara has Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu,Susanoo,Chibaku tensei,shinra tensei,human path,animal path,asura path,naraka path + meteor jutsu.

Hashirama has mokuton, yamato has mokuton, mokuton are simply growing woods that you can shape to your liking,Hashirama has more strength then Yamato.

Kishi must have had a bad day when he said Hashirama beats Madara and when he realized his mistake, he probaby continued cuz he already made it.

Now kishi is trying to figure out some crazy way to explain to us how that chimp beat on Madara and in a way so Madara doesn´t look bad.

He´s got his work cut out for him.

 

[OWanime]

yeah but at the same time madara had the tailed beast so it kinda was fair and square by beating madara

 

[nagato2]

It's the account that doesn't makes me believe that he defeated Madara fair and square.

- His Edo version despite being weaker cause' of Oro's mastery should atleast do much better than what he did considering Sarutobi was extremely aging and Tobirama and Orochimaru was on his side.
- Kakuzu claimed to have fight him. Seriously, he fought the "Best Ninja" and still didn't die despite we all knows Kakuzu's power. Hashirama seems more like an overhyped myth than clear-cut legend status.
- The Mokuton though extremely weak version of Yamato does not impress like it should. Sure, that of Hashirama must have been like 10 times better but still...it doesn't give a good account of Hashirama. That will mean that Yamato is like 10% of Hashirama when we all know Yamato's powers.

With all the great things that Madara showed us and all the poor accounts Hashirama showed us, his strength is just based on poor assumptions to me. His fight is being imagined godlier when perhaps he won by having some help or by fluke. I won't consider Hashirama as the Great Ninja until Kishi shows us that Hashirama did beat Madara fair and square.

His case reminds me of Hanzo who was all hyped as greatness by fighting the 3 Sannins and in the end, didn't match that expectations and right now, Jiraiya or Oro still seem like much better than him. Just like that, Madara seems so much better than Hashirama.

I repeat, Hashirama was great surely but not to the extent to defeat Madara fair and square.

i will not try to debate with you Escorpiius, iv seen your arguments in alot about madara vs hashi and you are clearly blindly in love with madaras power, you have not argued any thing of which have stated, as someone once said you cannot argue with the fool and your foolishly in love with madaras power.

 

[nagato2]

Madara has Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu,Susanoo,Chibaku tensei,shinra tensei,human path,animal path,asura path,naraka path + meteor jutsu.

Hashirama has mokuton, yamato has mokuton, mokuton are simply growing woods that you can shape to your liking,Hashirama has more strength then Yamato.

Kishi must have had a bad day when he said Hashirama beats Madara and when he realized his mistake, he probaby continued cuz he already made it.

Now kishi is trying to figure out some crazy way to explain to us how that chimp beat on Madara and in a way so Madara doesn´t look bad.

He´s got his work cut out for him.

lol you are clearly a hater, if those are all his abilities than how the hell did he create the scroll of seals?

 

[Escorpiius]

i will not try to debate with you Escorpiius, iv seen your arguments in alot about madara vs hashi and you are clearly blindly in love with madaras power, you have not argued any thing of which have stated, as someone once said you cannot argue with the fool and your foolishly in love with madaras power.

I'm not blinded by Madara's powers but atleast I can boast that I've seen Madara fighting and delivering a heck of performance against a great tandem such as Gaara+Naruto and heck lots of other Shinobis. Madara was hyped and didn't disappoint.

On the other hand, you are presenting Hashirama as a God when his last appearance was a fail and you got no backup at all to his greatness. All are speculations.

And what argument are you exactly presenting that I'm not arguing. That he created a scroll :| And when was that scroll exactly used. Oh yeah, in the first episode which shows that Kishi don't give a damn about that scroll just like that crystal ball of Sarutobi. Moreover, you don't even know what's on that scroll, so why are you hyping that fact?

You don't wanna argue, fine with me. Here's my deal - 2000 Kumi Bet that Hashirama will disappoint us with his battle skills whenever he's shown in the manga - whether in flashbacks or whatever.

 

[blazekev90]

just plain stupid, they MAD!!!! #hatersgonnahate

 

[JakeLife510]

His case reminds me of Hanzo who was all hyped as greatness by fighting the 3 Sannins and in the end, didn't match that expectations and right now, Jiraiya or Oro still seem like much better than him. Just like that, Madara seems so much better than Hashirama.

Well with Hanzo he was powerful he just fought against an enemy he defeated before whose sole purpose was to be the counteract to fight against Hanzo another day. I wouldn't doubt his skills against any shinobi, Mifune just had the upper hand from thier previous bout who dedicated his life to counter Hanzo. But if you pit Hanzo against another shinobi who could breath regularly then its a problem regardless.