[Theory] naruto in kyubi mode might not be his last power up
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Yeah but the fundamental difference between Naruto and Sasuke is:
-Naruto gets powerup from hard hard hard work and because he never gives up, overexhausting his ressources and therefor boosting up his stamina.
He is therefore powering up after a good night of sleep.
-Sasugay powers up during his naps with minimal training output.
sorry, but it's not. chapter 541 page 8 he thinks to himself 'gotta be faster this time' he was not yet going all out at the start. the kyubi grants him speed, remember, whenever he used to use the kyubi cloak befor he masterd it, he also got a lot faster, now that he is in full control of the kyubi he just got to it's full potential and it's so fast that it looks like a flash.
also, where and from who would he have learned teleportation techniques? bee doesnt have it, and I'm sure he can't come up with it himself, he didn't learn it from his father otherwise he would have had it since his fight with pain, and his mother would not have been able to teach him a more advanced way of teleporting then minato. there are no seals or anything.
pure raw speed and a lot of it, I'm guessing it's sort of a sprint that he does, he can't keep it up for long distance but in a pinch he can accelerate a lot.
plus, naruto's head was not to close to the rocks that the raikage smashed when he missed naruto either, so that gives it a few more meters so a litle more time then you claim
This is unlikely to be the last of Naruto's power ups given that there's still "that" jutsu, and he hasn't even performed the TBB Rasengan yet. Perhaps he'll fuse sage mode and Kyuubi mode, but that's speculation. Naruto needs to work things out with the Kyuubi as he's running low on Kyuubi chakra, so I don't what the outcome of that deal will bring. Sasuke fans really have nothing to worry about. Naruto and Sasuke are always on approximately equal grounds with minor fluctuations around power ups; thus, when one is given something, so is the other.
If Naruto gets a big power up, it's either going to be sufficient to match the EMS or Sasuke will get something to match Naruto. That's just how it works. As far as Sasuke not being shown for so long, I can understand how that would upset Sasuke fans.
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Please note though that Minato's moniker "The Yellow flash" is for his linear speed and not for his FTG. In Kushina's flashback to 16 years ago, this was stated explicitly by Tobi as Minato living up to his moniker when he used his linear speed to grab baby Naruto after being tossed in the air.
As well, Shunsin no jutsu works just by putting more chakra into your movement for rapid movement, giving the appearance of appearing/disappearing out of nowhere, with some people using things like smoke or leaves etc. to disguise it. Now, Naruto cranked in a large amount of Kyuubi chakra, that's going to give him one hell of a shunsin no jutsu, and appear as a yellow flash with his hair color since he's not disguising it. If it was a space-time jutsu, there would be no blur, i.e. yellow flash, because the flash is due to the intense rapid acceleration, which the space-time jutsu doesn't have, as it's instantaneous. Minato with FTG is simply there and then not there, leaving no yellow flash. I suggest comparing Minato dodging the 4th Raikage's punch in the flashback, which I think is a couple of chapters back (maybe 542?) to Naruto's and you should see a distinct difference in the methodology as well as perception by the 4th Raikage of the events.
If you're still not satisfied and convinced, maybe you're right and that'll be revealed and made clear later on. It's perfectly satisfactory to agree to disagree. No one here is perfect and has all the answers. I hope this is a reasonable settlement.
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If Naruto gets a big power up, it's either going to be sufficient to match the EMS or Sasuke will get something to match Naruto. That's just how it works. As far as Sasuke not being shown for so long, I can understand how that would upset Sasuke fans.
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Agreed. Good points.
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It was a "shunsin no jutsu" (i.e. "body flicker"), and depending on the manga source you read, it would've stated that in the translator's notes. At least I know that this used to be the case. I actually just went to about 5 other sites, and none of the translations include shunsin no jutsu any longer for whatever reason while original translations did. I don't have an explanation for that, perhaps there was disagreement or it was obvious, printing issues, who knows. However, it's not explicitly stated now. Thus, I can tell you what I'm very certain happened based on the manga panels, but I don't have a translator's note stating it explicitly to point to, which I'm sure you've noticed have been lacking when it comes to jutsu lately. Thus, you can choose to interpret the panels implicitly as a body flicker or as a space-time jutsu (though you should provide evidence), and I'm not here to force you either way.
Please note though that Minato's moniker "The Yellow flash" is for his linear speed and not for his FTG. In Kushina's flashback to 16 years ago, this was stated explicitly by Tobi as Minato living up to his moniker when he used his linear speed to grab baby Naruto after being tossed in the air.
As well, Shunsin no jutsu works just by putting more chakra into your movement for rapid movement, giving the appearance of appearing/disappearing out of nowhere, with some people using things like smoke or leaves etc. to disguise it. Now, Naruto cranked in a large amount of Kyuubi chakra, that's going to give him one hell of a shunsin no jutsu, and appear as a yellow flash with his hair color since he's not disguising it. If it was a space-time jutsu, there would be no blur, i.e. yellow flash, because the flash is due to the intense rapid acceleration, which the space-time jutsu doesn't have, as it's instantaneous. Minato with FTG is simply there and then not there, leaving no yellow flash. I suggest comparing Minato dodging the 4th Raikage's punch in the flashback, which I think is a couple of chapters back (maybe 542?) to Naruto's and you should see a distinct difference in the methodology as well as perception by the 4th Raikage of the events.
If you're still not satisfied and convinced, maybe you're right and that'll be revealed and made clear later on. It's perfectly satisfactory to agree to disagree. No one here is perfect and has all the answers. I hope this is a reasonable settlement.
Peace
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AbukariDogMan
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he is yet to master the kyubi then maybe his cloak will turn orange and he will become impervious to damage like his version 2 form.
Naruto has mastered the Kyuubi in all ways except partnership. He has full control over the Kyuubi with his new seal and his chakra; however, he only has a finite supply. He only needs partnership for TB II form and some sort of chakra trade, so he doesn't run out. That's basically all that he has left, though there may be surprises.
I don't think that his TB mode I form is going to change at all. If he partners with the Kyuubi, he may unlock TB mode II form, and maybe he'll look like the Kyuubi or maybe he'll retain his current appearance modified in some way. Kishi went to a lot of trouble making Naruto not look like a regular jinuchuuriki in his TB mode I form, so that's there to stay I think. Naruto doesn't appear to be a normal Jinchuuriki, and he doesn't have a normal seal either, as the Kyuubi was spouting something about the Rikudou Sennin when he saw it, so I'm hesitant to predict at this point, except that I don't think that one can expect to predict Naruto's future Jinchuuriki forms based off of other Jinchuuriki's or his previous forms where he's lost control. Just my thoughts.
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AbukariDogMan
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Alright buddy I read what you said, but my proof has already been given. WAY TOO SHORT a time lapse between Naruto's previous and new positions.This is unlikely to be the last of Naruto's power ups given that there's still "that" jutsu, and he hasn't even performed the TBB Rasengan yet. Perhaps he'll fuse sage mode and Kyuubi mode, but that's speculation. Naruto needs to work things out with the Kyuubi as he's running low on Kyuubi chakra, so I don't what the outcome of that deal will bring. Sasuke fans really have nothing to worry about. Naruto and Sasuke are always on approximately equal grounds with minor fluctuations around power ups; thus, when one is given something, so is the other.
If Naruto gets a big power up, it's either going to be sufficient to match the EMS or Sasuke will get something to match Naruto. That's just how it works. As far as Sasuke not being shown for so long, I can understand how that would upset Sasuke fans.
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Agreed. Good points.
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It was a "shunsin no jutsu" (i.e. "body flicker"), and depending on the manga source you read, it would've stated that in the translator's notes. At least I know that this used to be the case. I actually just went to about 5 other sites, and none of the translations include shunsin no jutsu any longer for whatever reason while original translations did. I don't have an explanation for that, perhaps there was disagreement or it was obvious, printing issues, who knows. However, it's not explicitly stated now. Thus, I can tell you what I'm very certain happened based on the manga panels, but I don't have a translator's note stating it explicitly to point to, which I'm sure you've noticed have been lacking when it comes to jutsu lately. Thus, you can choose to interpret the panels implicitly as a body flicker or as a space-time jutsu (though you should provide evidence), and I'm not here to force you either way.
Please note though that Minato's moniker "The Yellow flash" is for his linear speed and not for his FTG. In Kushina's flashback to 16 years ago, this was stated explicitly by Tobi as Minato living up to his moniker when he used his linear speed to grab baby Naruto after being tossed in the air.
As well, Shunsin no jutsu works just by putting more chakra into your movement for rapid movement, giving the appearance of appearing/disappearing out of nowhere, with some people using things like smoke or leaves etc. to disguise it. Now, Naruto cranked in a large amount of Kyuubi chakra, that's going to give him one hell of a shunsin no jutsu, and appear as a yellow flash with his hair color since he's not disguising it. If it was a space-time jutsu, there would be no blur, i.e. yellow flash, because the flash is due to the intense rapid acceleration, which the space-time jutsu doesn't have, as it's instantaneous. Minato with FTG is simply there and then not there, leaving no yellow flash. I suggest comparing Minato dodging the 4th Raikage's punch in the flashback, which I think is a couple of chapters back (maybe 542?) to Naruto's and you should see a distinct difference in the methodology as well as perception by the 4th Raikage of the events.
If you're still not satisfied and convinced, maybe you're right and that'll be revealed and made clear later on. It's perfectly satisfactory to agree to disagree. No one here is perfect and has all the answers. I hope this is a reasonable settlement.
Peace
go back to those 2 panels I linked in spoiler tags: Looked just like the yellow flash blablabla....
Then Naruto says he won't make mistakes... "exactly like his father".. "exactly as he learned from him" (Still talking about Minato)
As you said, look at Raikage's reaction, he says it looks like the savior still lives inside you, meaning he thinks the techniques (Of FTG in that instance and the one Naruto dodged A with.) looked so similar.
But I guess you're somewhat right there, maybe I have jumped to conclusions to fast here? I guess we need more proof on what made people call Minato, the yellow flash of Konoha? But when Minato teleports in Naruto ultimate ninja storm 2 (YES don't flame.... I realize how doubtable the source is now) he is surrounded by yellow auras as he teleports. This is pretty much what lead me to believe that he was named that after FTG. But there is no proof either way I see that now. It could be because of the body flicker, it could be the FTG.
Still Naruto was milimeters away from getting punched with one foot only on the floor. He was already going as fast as he could using the Kyubi cloak I believe. Avoiding it without teleportation would have required him to step away first, then move EXTREMLY fast in his forward motion, then as the next pictures shows, he is going towards the OTHER direction. So he would have needed to stop REALLY REALLY fast, then go EXTREMELY fast again backwards so that he gets to that location in the next panel.
So you're right it is supposition, and there is no concrete proof of what I'm saying, however not thinking this was teleportation is unlikely from my point of view
I guess for now, untill we get more conclusive explanations it's open for interpreatation wheather it was a time-space technique or just a realy fast body flicker due to the kyubi chakra power upgrade.Alright buddy I read what you said, but my proof has already been given. WAY TOO SHORT a time lapse between Naruto's previous and new positions.
go back to those 2 panels I linked in spoiler tags: Looked just like the yellow flash blablabla....
Then Naruto says he won't make mistakes... "exactly like his father".. "exactly as he learned from him" (Still talking about Minato)
As you said, look at Raikage's reaction, he says it looks like the savior still lives inside you, meaning he thinks the techniques (Of FTG in that instance and the one Naruto dodged A with.) looked so similar.
But I guess you're somewhat right there, maybe I have jumped to conclusions to fast here? I guess we need more proof on what made people call Minato, the yellow flash of Konoha? But when Minato teleports in Naruto ultimate ninja storm 2 (YES don't flame.... I realize how doubtable the source is now) he is surrounded by yellow auras as he teleports. This is pretty much what lead me to believe that he was named that after FTG. But there is no proof either way I see that now. It could be because of the body flicker, it could be the FTG.
Still Naruto was milimeters away from getting punched with one foot only on the floor. He was already going as fast as he could using the Kyubi cloak I believe. Avoiding it without teleportation would have required him to step away first, then move EXTREMLY fast in his forward motion, then as the next pictures shows, he is going towards the OTHER direction. So he would have needed to stop REALLY REALLY fast, then go EXTREMELY fast again backwards so that he gets to that location in the next panel.
So you're right it is supposition, and there is no concrete proof of what I'm saying, however not thinking this was teleportation is unlikely from my point of view
I keep it thinking as body flicker since I don't see when naruto would have learned space time techniques and got proficient enough with them to do them without seals or anything else. as a couple of manga pages made me think this way, these are chapter 505 page 12, where bee wonders if it's a body flicker technique; and mostly chapter 505 page 13, yamato's comment:
he goes on saying that naruto is not quite as good as the fourth yet.
if it was a space-time technique in my oppinion he would have surpased minato, since he had no marks on kisame to teleport to, that would be a clear advantage over minato's technique just like madara seems to have over minato's technique.
now in the case of body flicker he does not surpace minato, minato also had great raw speed but he also had great control, somthing naruto didn't show here since he got his foot stuck in the wall.
as for minato and why he is called the yellow flash, that is also open for interpreation. some sources claim it to be his imensly fast raw speed others atribute it to the fact that with his teleportation he can take out whole platoons of enemy's in a blink of an eye, I'm leaning to raw speed her since to me that would always leave a trace.
I agree with you that what was showed against Kisame in front of Yamato was NOT a teleportation jutsu, and in fact an extremely fast raw speeds. Always thought of it that way too for THAT chapter.
Like you said, such comments at that time like "not quite the level of the fourth yet" or the fact that he stuck his foot make it quite difficult for it to be teleportation. (Teleportation would have teleported him with initial speeds, which were close to zero)
The rest is in deed subject to interpretation. Lesson learned though I didn't realize the name yellow flash or the technique used by Naruto against A wasn't facts at all I just assumed! But I still believe what I said to be right, only now, it needs further proofs
Honord Sage
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Naruto last power up will be the Combining of Toad Sage Mode and Fox Mode to created a new Mode and the jutsu that come from that.
Naruto has not reached his full power yet, naruto combining sage mode and tailed beast mode must happen for him to master the tailed beast bomb in human form. Plus as long as new more powerful enemies naruto will continue to grow in power. Everyone must understand naruto is still just a very young man. He is just beginning to understand he is not what they said about him when he was a kid.
ALSO People stop misunderstand what teleportation and space-time techs are.
when naruto hit Kisame was teleporting. in the naruto world teleporting is northing more than high speed movement. please people read your past manga
ALSO People stop misunderstand what teleportation and space-time techs are.
when naruto hit Kisame was teleporting. in the naruto world teleporting is northing more than high speed movement. please people read your past manga
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True, if you guys think about it... The toads could not fuse with Naruto because of the Fox to allow him to be in a constant sage mode. Maybe Naruto could fuse with the fox instead ? When they become friends though !!
? When they become friends though !!