Theory (positive emotions please read)

[ChrisWolf]

Ok I recently read positive emotions theory about obito and tobi and I agree with the things he mentioned, some evidence was a bit too weak to be counted but still some things such as their appearance alone is uncanny, how much they look alike seriously you cant deny that...

here are three pieces of evidence that I believe you missed:

1. If Tobi is Obito that would make perfect sense because remember when he fought with minato? he knew exactly how his teleportation jutsu worked, which most ppl didnt since they assumed he was just really fast, obito being one of his former team members means it would make sense that he would know how it worked

2. you can clearly see that Obitos face would have been disfigured by the boulders smashing him...and tobi wheres a mask, hasnt anyone wondered why he chooses to wear a mask?

3. This one is dumb but seriously, the names "Obito" and "Tobi" are pretty similar in spelling

A few things that may differ by opinion but I believe are important to mention:

1. By his hair, general demeanor and even other physical attributes and appearance tobi does seem to be around kakashis age

2. Nagato and Yahiko are the ones that started the akatsuki right? well that kind of makes sense with this theory too because think about it if tobi was older or the same age as nagato then he would have known about the akatsuki from the beginning and probably would have seeked to take it over then, but if he is kakashis age then it makes sense that he would kind of have a late arrival so to speak on reforming the akatsuki and taking it over

3.It is much more covenient to assume obito helped Itachi destroy the uchiha clan if he had once lived in the leaf village and knew its current day layout and the ninja therein, it makes more sense then anyone else that anyone has had theories about that he could have helped him well

everyones sharingan has kind of a different ability right? well tobis is a space time tech thats pretty much the exact same thing as kakashis space time tech, if kakashi has tobi/obitos eye wouldnt it make sense that he would develop the same type of jutsu with it?

 

[Anbu Shinobi]

i like the theory but i still think its the 10tails soul in tobi body and the moon eyes plan is to get his body back from the moon and put his chakra back with the 1-9 tails seal in the gedo statue Anbu Intel!!!!!!!

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

finally some one wiuth this theory came up with good reasoning. but why would obito want to suddenly destroy his village? and explain the wrikles on his face and how he knew about the ten tails

 

[ChrisWolf]

Oh and something I forgot to mention...everyones sharingan has kind of a different ability right? well tobis is a space time tech thats pretty much the exact same thing as kakashis space time tech, if kakashi has tobi/obitos eye wouldnt it make sense that he would develop the same type of jutsu with it?

 

[ChrisWolf]

finally some one wiuth this theory came up with good reasoning. but why would obito want to suddenly destroy his village? and explain the wrikles on his face and how he knew about the ten tails

Ah! the wrinkles! I was going to mention that sorry I forgot, what if those arent wrinkles I mean they could be scars from the boulders that crushed his face...they just might look like wrinkles, to me that makes a lot of sense, and also couldnt he just study history books or anything like that to find out about the ten tails and the sage? I was under the impression that wasnt suppose to be a big secret or anything sorry if I'm mistaken

And about him wanting to destroy his village, well his over all goal is just to take over the world and bring peace right? he really cared about that girl that was on his team (the one he told kakashi to protect, sorry I forgot her name lmao) so he could have somehow (you can give me theories on how) survived the damage from the boulders but then found out she had been killed and then went crazy probably getting angry with kakashi for not protecting her and also wanting to bring peace to the world no matter what the cost

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

i dont believe this theory for a couple of reasons...first off y would he start a war against the leaf village and his comrads when he used to be all about friends and teamwork..second if my sense of time is right he would have been about 13 the time the kyuubi attacks (they refer to it as 16 years ago and kakashi is about 29 according to narutopedia lol) since they are about the same age...so that would be implying that at 13 or 14 obito could control the kyuubi which i highly doubt...also tobi seems to have more knowledge of the So6p than anyone els which would mean he would have to be older than most people...and i dont see how he could have survive, he was a little kid that got crushed by several huge boulders and since his left side was crushed id think that sharingan was crushed to...

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Along with what everyone else said, why would Obito declare war on the Leaf, and the Ninja World.

 

[ChrisWolf]

i dont believe this theory for a couple of reasons...first off y would he start a war against the leaf village and his comrads when he used to be all about friends and teamwork..second if my sense of time is right he would have been about 13 the time the kyuubi attacks (they refer to it as 16 years ago and kakashi is about 29 according to narutopedia lol) since they are about the same age...so that would be implying that at 13 or 14 obito could control the kyuubi which i highly doubt...also tobi seems to have more knowledge of the So6p than anyone els which would mean he would have to be older than most people...and i dont see how he could have survive, he was a little kid that got crushed by several huge boulders and since his left side was crushed id think that sharingan was crushed to...

Yeah these points make sense maybe you are right I dont know, but allow me to give my opinion on your arguments

Fist off, you said why would he start a war against the leaf? well I already explained why...because of that girl dieng for one thing but who knows he may have other reasons, I mean nagato killed his former master in which he use to look up too and respect, things change you definetly cannot base any theory on point of views like that

Also Itachi was 13 and killed the entire uchiha clan...nuff said? besides it really doesnt matter how old he is if he gained the power through his sharingan via mangekyo or other means then he would/could have gained the ability to control the 9 tails, age wouldnt have anything to do with it, sure experience would help but its still possible if he some how gained that power with his sharingan...hell that girl having died could have done that for him

The idea that he has more knowledge about the SO6P, which is already arguable itself, could simpy be due to him studying him more for the specific purpose of his plans...that was the weakest and most irrelevant of your arguments

lastly, and this is the point you made that I agree with the most...it is true he shouldnt have been able to survive the boulders but still though anything could have happened...I mean he could have gone unconcious and someone could have ended up finding him and saving him before he got killed...the damage to his head could have already made him a bit unstable so when he found out about that girl dieng that could have pushed him over the edge...lol Im not a flamer or a troll Im just stating somethings I thought of

a few things that no one can deny:

1. Tobi and Obito look much alike
2. It is odd that Tobi has the space time tech that kakashi has
3. both have only one sharingan eye
4. wears a mask

Can anyone argue with those points? number two is undeniably powerful in my opinion, I mean just think about the connection there

 

[-Liquid Cefka-]

Ok, I see what your saying. But if Tobi is Obito, Im quitting Naruto.

 

[ChrisWolf]

well personally Idc either way I am not biased toward tobi being anyone its just fun to try to figure things out before hand and so far this is where my predictions are leaning...why would you quit naruto? just wondering

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

Yeah these points make sense maybe you are right I dont know, but allow me to give my opinion on your arguments

Fist off, you said why would he start a war against the leaf? well I already explained why...because of that girl dieng for one thing but who knows he may have other reasons, I mean nagato killed his former master in which he use to look up too and respect, things change you definetly cannot base any theory on point of views like that

Also Itachi was 13 and killed the entire uchiha clan...nuff said? besides it really doesnt matter how old he is if he gained the power through his sharingan via mangekyo or other means then he would/could have gained the ability to control the 9 tails, age wouldnt have anything to do with it, sure experience would help but its still possible if he some how gained that power with his sharingan...hell that girl having died could have done that for him

The idea that he has more knowledge about the SO6P, which is already arguable itself, could simpy be due to him studying him more for the specific purpose of his plans...that was the weakest and most irrelevant of your arguments

lastly, and this is the point you made that I agree with the most...it is true he shouldnt have been able to survive the boulders but still though anything could have happened...I mean he could have gone unconcious and someone could have ended up finding him and saving him before he got killed...the damage to his head could have already made him a bit unstable so when he found out about that girl dieng that could have pushed him over the edge...lol Im not a flamer or a troll Im just stating somethings I thought of

a few things that no one can deny:

1. Tobi and Obito look much alike
2. It is odd that Tobi has the space time tech that kakashi has
3. both have only one sharingan eye
4. wears a mask

Can anyone argue with those points? number two is undeniably powerful in my opinion, I mean just think about the connection there

yes i can argue them...in the manga in his battle with konan tobis mask gets broken and he has 2 sharingan...kakashi's kamui doesnt send things to another dimension because zetsu was able to find deidara's arm so it could be put back on...and u contridicted urself on 1 and 4 how can u knw how much they look alike if he wears a mask? ur basing it off of his hair and a slight part of his face u have seen...and slaughtering a clan that isnt expecting it is one thing but controlling the most powerful chakra beast that exists atm if something completely different..also if he could just research about the sage then why does everyone believe the sage and the ten tails are just a myth? even kakashi believes that the sage never existed and was just a legend so there obviously isnt any written history of him for him to research on much less know how the chakra beasts and the moon were created...also how would he have given nagato the rinnegan? i wouldnt think he would have lied about that by that point since it was just him and a person he was about to kill...there are just to many holes in the theory

 

[Mr PLATINUM]

my theory is similar to this if you wana read bro:

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[-Liquid Cefka-]

well personally Idc either way I am not biased toward tobi being anyone its just fun to try to figure things out before hand and so far this is where my predictions are leaning...why would you quit naruto? just wondering

Lol, I was joking. Doesnt really matter if Tobi is Obito ( which would be weird, IMO ). I'd like it better if Tobi was Izuna though, or some other random character.

 

[ChrisWolf]

yes i can argue them...in the manga in his battle with konan tobis mask gets broken and he has 2 sharingan...kakashi's kamui doesnt send things to another dimension because zetsu was able to find deidara's arm so it could be put back on...and u contridicted urself on 1 and 4 how can u knw how much they look alike if he wears a mask? ur basing it off of his hair and a slight part of his face u have seen...and slaughtering a clan that isnt expecting it is one thing but controlling the most powerful chakra beast that exists atm if something completely different..also if he could just research about the sage then why does everyone believe the sage and the ten tails are just a myth? even kakashi believes that the sage never existed and was just a legend so there obviously isnt any written history of him for him to research on much less know how the chakra beasts and the moon were created...also how would he have given nagato the rinnegan? i wouldnt think he would have lied about that by that point since it was just him and a person he was about to kill...there are just to many holes in the theory

about the battle with konan...if kakashi took obitos eye and tobi took nagatos eye then tobi could have just as easily taken a different uchihas eye before to replace the one he was missing so thats irrelevant although that could also make my point about him only having one sharingan irrelevant as well...so overall that isnt evidence toward anything

about kakashis tech, just because zetsu couldnt find his arm doesnt mean shit, it does send things to another dimension, but thats irrelevant anyway because I just said it was similar to tobis tech not exactly the same...although I still think its possible that it is exactly the same, "and u contridicted urself on 1 and 4 how can u knw how much they look alike if he wears a mask? ur basing it off of his hair and a slight part of his face u have seen..." - yeah thats not a contradiction, I dont think you quite understand what a contradiction is but thats ok...the hair and the part of the face is good enough to see a strong resemblace, true it does not proove anything but you cannot deny the resemblance, also if he developed the power to control the 9 tails then age or his own strenght wouldnt really mean much, and killing off the uchiha clan was not a light feat at all...to be honest I see your point here but seriously though this is a manga we are talking about here would it really surprise you if kishi said a 13 year old boy could control the beast with his sharingan? after all sasuke could surpress the very same beast inside of naruto WITH EASE and he is only 3 years older then tobi would have been, lol Im sorry but your point about the sosp being a myth is totally irrelevant...their are history books on myths and legends as well regardless whether people believe it is true or not their would still be recorded info on it, seriously I didnt get that one, about him giving nagato the rennegan...FINALLY you make a good point, I have no strong argument against this except the fact that he could have been lieng, I wouldnt be surprised at all villains in manga quite often like to mess with their vitims heads with lies even if they are about to die, you see that all the time, and this would be a perfect way for kishi to throw our minds into confusion and gove us doubts and different speculations about his identity

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

about the battle with konan...if kakashi took obitos eye and tobi took nagatos eye then tobi could have just as easily taken a different uchihas eye before to replace the one he was missing so thats irrelevant although that could also make my point about him only having one sharingan irrelevant as well...so overall that isnt evidence toward anything

about kakashis tech, just because zetsu couldnt find his arm doesnt mean shit, it does send things to another dimension, but thats irrelevant anyway because I just said it was similar to tobis tech not exactly the same...although I still think its possible that it is exactly the same, "and u contridicted urself on 1 and 4 how can u knw how much they look alike if he wears a mask? ur basing it off of his hair and a slight part of his face u have seen..." - yeah thats not a contradiction, I dont think you quite understand what a contradiction is but thats ok...the hair and the part of the face is good enough to see a strong resemblace, true it does not proove anything but you cannot deny the resemblance, also if he developed the power to control the 9 tails then age or his own strenght wouldnt really mean much, and killing off the uchiha clan was not a light feat at all...to be honest I see your point here but seriously though this is a manga we are talking about here would it really surprise you if kishi said a 13 year old boy could control the beast with his sharingan? after all sasuke could surpress the very same beast inside of naruto WITH EASE and he is only 3 years older then tobi would have been, lol Im sorry but your point about the sosp being a myth is totally irrelevant...their are history books on myths and legends as well regardless whether people believe it is true or not their would still be recorded info on it, seriously I didnt get that one, about him giving nagato the rennegan...FINALLY you make a good point, I have no strong argument against this except the fact that he could have been lieng, I wouldnt be surprised at all villains in manga quite often like to mess with their vitims heads with lies even if they are about to die, you see that all the time, and this would be a perfect way for kishi to throw our minds into confusion and gove us doubts and different speculations about his identity

first off i do know what a contradiction is its when u say 2 things that are almost the exact opposite for instance...they have a resemblance and he always wears a mask...if u cant clearly see his face then u dont knw it there is a resemblance...i can also point out he has the same hair as the sages elder son that doesnt mean he is him and all u have seen was basicly the upper corner of his face which i dont buy as a "resemblance"...and for what u dont get apparently...in the manga he says that the rinnegan was his to begin with and he tells konan he was involved with nagato getting the rinnegan...and sasuke didnt control the kyuubi he saw into naruto's mind and saw the kyuubi's will in his chakra and hit it causing it to explode...and zetsu finding his arm means it wasnt in another dimension it was on earth and by that logic ur saying that just about any s/t nin could be viewed as simular...and by ur own logic about throwing us into confusion i personally believe it is still madara

 

[Tarheel09]

i just wanna know how tobi when he fights minato grew so much, if he was obito that is, wouldn't kakashi still be kind of short and not fully grown at this time?

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

i just wanna know how tobi when he fights minato grew so much, if he was obito that is, wouldn't kakashi still be kind of short and not fully grown at this time?

i believe so and if im correct, correct me if im wrong, when tobi fought minato he was suprised by his speed...obito would have known how fast he was being his student

 

[ChrisWolf]

first off i do know what a contradiction is its when u say 2 things that are almost the exact opposite for instance...they have a resemblance and he always wears a mask...if u cant clearly see his face then u dont knw it there is a resemblance...i can also point out he has the same hair as the sages elder son that doesnt mean he is him and all u have seen was basicly the upper corner of his face which i dont buy as a "resemblance"...and for what u dont get apparently...in the manga he says that the rinnegan was his to begin with and he tells konan he was involved with nagato getting the rinnegan...and sasuke didnt control the kyuubi he saw into naruto's mind and saw the kyuubi's will in his chakra and hit it causing it to explode...and zetsu finding his arm means it wasnt in another dimension it was on earth and by that logic ur saying that just about any s/t nin could be viewed as simular...and by ur own logic about throwing us into confusion i personally believe it is still madara

if you understand what a contradiction is then how can you say that was a contradiction? Im not even going to explain how its not a contradiction because anyone can see that its not, and also sasuke surpressed the 9 tails chakra thus proving he had some control over it, wat you seem to forget is that the time space tech can also transport objects to different places on earth and different dimensions so obviously your argument their holds no water, your arguments are good and I myself do agree with them but the fact is the arguments I have given are just as good or better

although I will say this before I read everything you had to say I was 80% sure of my theory, now Im only 60% maybe a little less, anyway so you think it is still madara? thats interesting

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

if you understand what a contradiction is then how can you say that was a contradiction? Im not even going to explain how its not a contradiction because anyone can see that its not, and also sasuke surpressed the 9 tails chakra thus proving he had some control over it, wat you seem to forget is that the time space tech can also transport objects to different places on earth and different dimensions so obviously your argument their holds no water, your arguments are good and I myself do agree with them but the fact is the arguments I have given are just as good or better

although I will say this before I read everything you had to say I was 80% sure of my theory, now Im only 60% maybe a little less, anyway so you think it is still madara? thats interesting

yeah well im tired of typing so much at a time xD people have there theories and yes i do and i have a pretty good back up for it but im not making a thread on it because there are just to many lol

 

[ChrisWolf]

yeah well im tired of typing so much at a time xD people have there theories and yes i do and i have a pretty good back up for it but im not making a thread on it because there are just to many lol

lol yea I feel you man, it doesnt matter who turns out to be right or wrong this is just how I feel at the moment but on another note, and you dont have to explain this right now if you are tired but you should come back later and explain because I am interested in hearing your opinion, but whether tobi is madara,obito,Izuna or freaking santa claus...why do you think he he changed his personality from the goofy tobi to the giving orders manupilating madara? whats your opinion on that? because I dont really have one to be honest I have some theories but no evidence to back them up Im only just now getting curious about it