[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 559 Discussion and 560 Predictions

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Mystikk

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u said its a zetzu clone but i dont think tho but it does have something to do with zetzu tho like zetzu giving his own body to tobi/obito if possible
first off if your thinking tobi is obito then you haven't been reading the manga properly.. Also I believe its a zetsu clone, just infused with senju chakra.. while madara controls his soul with EMS. Either way its a zetsu so I am right.

The Edo Madara Is the Madara that fought the 1st hokage only.. Tobi is the Real MADARA Who fought the 1st died but somehow lived on!!!

EMS has to have some pretty scary techs.. and sasuke will have his own new techs!!
 
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Zetsu is probably not Tobi, and ifhe was then why would he try to destroy Konoha with Sasuke? Ditto Obito. However if Zetsu wanted to control the world or Madara through Zetsu, then why is there another Zetsu? And four real Zetsu's is just ridiculous. But it is a possibility.
Madara hates Konoha and wanted control over it, two things he gains advantage of in the Eye of the Moon Plan.
Fugaku was not smart enough to control Itachi, nor powerful enough. He would not have been able to use Sasuke to his own will, and would have not known about the truth behind the Uchiha massacre. But it is also a possibility if he made up the part of the massacre. But why would he have so many eyes? And how would he have that much knowledge (besides the police records)
 

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first off if your thinking tobi is obito then you haven't been reading the manga properly.. Also I believe its a zetsu clone, just infused with senju chakra.. while madara controls his soul with EMS. Either way its a zetsu so I am right.

The Edo Madara Is the Madara that fought the 1st hokage only.. Tobi is the Real MADARA Who fought the 1st died but somehow lived on!!!

EMS has to have some pretty scary techs.. and sasuke will have his own new techs!!
i said its a possibility and a possibility that is not obito read my pass post before u say anything dude
 

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I think Tobi = Kagami Uchiha ..why?

1.Old Face, about same age as Danzou
2.Was in a team with Danzou during the Ninja War
--> explains why he wasn't surprised by any of Danzou's techniques
3.The team they where in was Tobirama's team..TOBIrama
--> Tobirama was the first Shinobi with space time Jutsu
--> Explains why Tobi could use S/T-jutsu without MS

4.The only two of Tobirama's former team not present at Demon Fox's attack --> D & T
--> see and than look at to see that they are clearly missing
5.The only two characters besides Yamato with Hashirama's cells --> Danzou & Tobi
6.The only two characters with a massive collection of Sharingan --> D & T
7.Both contributed to the Uchiha Massacre
8.Danzou never acted surprised about Tobi either, as if he knew who he was

They probably where close friends before, with the Uchiha massacre as a part of a plan and vision they shared. But it seems along the way, Danzou had more interest in becoming Hokage and Tobi (Kagami!) in bringing the whole world under his control.

I think while they didn't agree, they decided to just split up without a fight, because they where comrads once.

*last time I repost this in the current thread
 

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Honestly alot of these made sense. But I'll have to say about 3 really stuck and hit home for me. But who cares about my small opinion? XD

But if Tobi is Madara's son then I'll really have to do some thinking on how to react... Because I may just explode going Eh?! O>O

And let's not forget the theory that Tobi may be an entirely different Uchiha. Either way can't wait till next chap. (P.S. the theory's everyone is making BESIDE'S Obito... Are really nice and I hope there are more and hopefully someone will hit the lottery and get it right. <(^_^)>)
 

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the tobi zetsu predictions make the most sense to me. in the battle madara stole the first hokages DNA was dying so combined the two made tobi and zetsu and new a about the rinegan and had planed for it to be used on him that's why when pain dies he says that techniques was for me. tobi was woried that kabuto was gonna take away madara's original body so tobi could not regain his power that's why he is the trump card
(sorry for lack of spelling and punctuation)
 

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Okay, girls and guys, dudes and dudetts, chaps and... chops?.... Whatever...
I'd just like to bring few things to light: old lines and new.
+After the Pain arc, Madara (or so we thought) asked Naruto how he convinced Nagato to betray him. He then continued to state that Nagato was supposed to wait and use that technique for him.
+When Madara stepped out of the coffin, he said something about Nagato and his Rinnegan (by extention, the resurrection technique)
+When Madara chopped off his arm (for resons I can't remember), the interior looked like the material that composes the white Zetsus.
+White Zetsus clone themselves into whoever they absorb chakra from, includeing their techniques and jutsus. However, they're not as powerful or advanced.
+When Madara called himself "a shell of my former self" it means that something deteriorated and/or limited the extents of his powers.

Put two and two together and a quite reasonable hypothosis can be created.

Madara must hve created some plot round the time he gve Nagato the Rinnegan. When Nagato was a child, he awakened his eyes but couldn't use them to their full extent--includeing the resurrection technique. He must have creted a Zetsu cloan of himself in order to pull the strings and keep himself safe. This sounds stupid, but he may have used this cloan and Nagato as his own fail safe in case he died. His Zetsu cloan would put things in motion until the Bhijus were captured and the time came for the war to begin. Then his cloan would resurrect the true Madara and this way he would be safe all these years from being a target until the time was right. However, Nagato turned twoards Naruto and Konoha, bringing them back--but killing himself in the proccess. This put a huge dent in the origional plan, but the cloan could still keep things in motion and use Sasuke as a peice in his ploy for power untill an alterntive was found. Then, along comes a spider (or snake): Kabuto. Since Madara was actually dead and had no way of true resurrection, it ment that nothing stood between Kabuto and using the real Madara as blackmail into the clone's allegance. Once Madara was resurrected via Edo Tensei, he must have beleived that his origional plan was a success--seeing as to how he commented on Nagato's advance with the Rinnegan. However, he becme quite cross once he learned that he was an Edo Tensei zombie. Since this Madara clone is quite a bit weaker than his origional form (probably the reason for no Mngekyo Sharingan), he's using a new Six Paths of Pain and the Bijuus' chakra as his new fighting prowess. Since he's a Zetsu cloan of an Uchiha, he has both Uchiha and Senju DNA , allowing him to use the strange genjutsu that alters reality. With the Shringan and Rinnegan combined, he can cst a Genjutsu powerful enough to control the ten-tailed beast and complete the origional Madara's plan himself.

I mean, hey, you cloan an evil back-stabbing psycopath and you get another evil back-stabbing psycopath.

If that sounds cheey, my origional hypothosis is that it's Madara's brother. I had alot of good hypothosis and reasons for this twelve hours ago, but I can't remember and I'm happy with the ones above. So..... whatever. Life sucks, why be picky, right?
Excellent hypothesis, I'm inclined to agree.
Another relevant point. We know Itachi commented on needing Hashirama Senju's DNA to use Shisui's eyes to the full extent. As the clone already has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, it explains why he would be so upset about the destruction of the eye. Furthermore, if we assume it's not only Shisui's eyes that can be transplanted with full power into another when combined with Hashirama Senju's DNA, then it makes even more sense why clone Madara (Tobi) would have such an extensive collection of sharingans.

A disadvantage to this theory would be that Naruto in Kyuubi Cloak could end the fight in one blow turning Tobi into a tree :rolleyes:
Well, I'm sure he'll be using the sealed beasts before he and Naruto get to face off. After all, he has all the beasts in one for or another. It might be enough to make a low powered version of the 10 tailed and seal it within himself.
 

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Ok Guys i know im a noob theorist but i have theory hear me out and tell me what do you think


"Tobi/Madara/Whoever the **** he is" gave nagato rennigan as he says in the fight with Konan
Its in the manga chapter 510 page 4

He is well aware of all the history between the senju and and uchiha
he is well aware of the history of the sage of six paths
he has knows all the secrets of the tab

we all think its madara or madara's former body and his soul is trapped in this world because of the 1st Hokage .we basically know Madara Was killed in the fight.

What i wanna propose is the could Tobi be the 1st son of the Sage of six paths

think about it Tobi keep blabbing about the history or the brother and of the 2 clans. how the rivalry has been going.
The 1st son had the rinnegan and he needed someone with the same vitality as the senju clan but young which brings us back to Uzumaki clan .
According To Tobi/madara/The****erwiththemas :p Nagato was from the Uzumaki clan which gave his the stamina and vitality to support the rinnegan

Think back Itachi said that found madara out living in exile but even when he was living away from the village he had mask.
Only in the Anime when Itachi reveals madara's History do we get to see him properly without a mask but now in the last summoning madara emerges in the same battle armour in which he was killed by the 1st hokage.


Think for it and plz dont give me much crap about im just a noob theorist
 

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Excellent hypothesis, I'm inclined to agree.
Another relevant point. We know Itachi commented on needing Hashirama Senju's DNA to use Shisui's eyes to the full extent. As the clone already has both Senju and Uchiha DNA, it explains why he would be so upset about the destruction of the eye. Furthermore, if we assume it's not only Shisui's eyes that can be transplanted with full power into another when combined with Hashirama Senju's DNA, then it makes even more sense why clone Madara (Tobi) would have such an extensive collection of sharingans.

A disadvantage to this theory would be that Naruto in Kyuubi Cloak could end the fight in one blow turning Tobi into a tree :rolleyes:
Well, I'm sure he'll be using the sealed beasts before he and Naruto get to face off. After all, he has all the beasts in one for or another. It might be enough to make a low powered version of the 10 tailed and seal it within himself.
Well, yeak. He already has a small peice of chakra from the eight tails and the kyuubi chakra from those two fat ninjas. But wat gets me is... the Moon was created to seal the ten-tailed beast's body. How will Madara get it out? Does he even need it? He won''t be able to create the full-powered version of the ten-tails, but it would be powerful all the same.

You know, I would laugh if he tried to controll it but it killed him instead, LOL. Maby the final fight isn't with Madara or Sasuke, but between Naruto and the ten-tails itself.
 

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Anyone, I just read here that Obito had the space-time jutsu :shrug: ...
I can´t really seem to recall where in the manga we get to know that; if some1 can refer to the source? :D
 
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What about Madara's brother, Izuna Uchiha. Madara took his eyes who is to say Izuna didn't take his eyes back after madara's death .The manga hasn't told us what powers he had that made him strong enough to be equals with his older brother, this would also give him the detailed info on the power's of the Sharingan, such as Izanagi and what ever power the man in question is planing "moons-eye plan"
 

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Hypothesis: Uchiha Madara(the one who fought the 1st) had an apprentice named Nagato(not the Nagato whose face we've seen). This Nagato worked closely with Madara and believed so much in Madara. Just like the Kabuto/Orochimaru relationship, but this was for a longer period and Madara was able to teach this Nagato alot of techniques. Uchiha Madara managed to get a hold of the rinnegan long before his fight(which led to his death) with the 1st. Upon his death, Nagato(Madara's apprentice) now in control of all the resources madara left behind (including the rinnegan) took it upon himself to avenge his master and revive him as well. Nagato was a smart kid and Madara liked him for that but he was weak. Nagato, knowing he was weak and that there may be risks he may not be able to handle if he implants the rinnegan on himself, implanted the rinnegan into a boy born in the Uzumaki family named Nagato (Pain) and went on to use him as a test subject feeding him all sorts of gabbage about the Sage of the six paths. Like how the so6p was able to do a chibaku tensei that was as big as the moon etc. Pain was strong and had a strong chakra, yet the rinnegan took a huge toll on him (probably 'cos he pushed himself to his limits). It is important to state at this juncture that the one parading himself as Madara and hiding behind a mask (so no one will identify him) is actually Madara's Apprentice, Nagato. And uses the alias 'Tobi' to further disguise his identity. Black Zetsu might be the only one who knows about this. Itachi knew that Tobi = Madara behind the mask, but didn't know about Nagato the apprentice. Pretending to have lost his powers in the fight with the 1st, Nagato managed to fool many including Itachi that he was Madara. This explains why Edo-Madara said "it would appear that little brat Nagato (refering to Nagato his apprentice) managed to grow".

Reasons for this hypothesis: It doesn't seem logical that Madara has met Nagato(pain) considering their ages. The 2 of them are generations apart. For Edo Madara to have been summoned with a body looking 'not-so-old' means that's the way he looked jst before his death. This further proves my point that there has got to be another nagato which edo-Madara is refering to. Remind me if I am wrong but there is no where in the manga where it was shown or said or even implied that Itachi saw madara's face. Itachi said Madara is a shell of his former self (weak) further solidifying my arguement. Summoning the nine tails - Naruto could summon Bunta, Sasuke - Manda, I see no reason why Tobi won't be able to summon the Kyubi. He learnt alot from Madara. Tobi could be an uchiha with such unique abilities as to mimick/imitate a person of his choise perfectly. Though I think he is weak, I don't mean weak like white zetsu or even deidara. But compared to Kages, he is. Tobi is jst abt Kakashi strong or maybe a little bit stronger.
 

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Another thought doesnt using izanagi darken that eye forever? When did tobi use izanagi? When he fought minato? Because i dont think he was joking when he said he was just wounded and also when izanagi is used your attacks become much more effective. Using izanagi woulndt he have been able to kill minato?
he used izanagi during d battle with konan....d reason tobi survived konan's last attack ws due to izanagi....after tht kabuto also mentions tht u have lost one imp eye but gained a new one!!!
 
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