i asked my friend who think will win and he said itachi with a straight face... to me i dont think itachi can win even though i dont know all of his technique i still say madara on account of how of his threat level but what you guys think ????
MADARA vs ITACHI
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Madara i thought it would be itachi before the last manga since tobi didn't attack konoha because of itachi but madara wins
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Madara has his own MS and even EMS so there is no doubt that he has ability enough to match Itachi. However, like it has been said already we need more info. I'm inclined however to say Madara. I consider him and Hashirama on the same plane and I don't think Itachi can beat a shinobi of that calibur, especially if they both have the same KG and potentially the same/similar style of fighting. Not to mention both are obvious genius shinobi.
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EMS doesn't mean u have to be more powerful, it just means no blindness. On the other hand Itachi is more smarter in my opinion becuz there is not proof Madara was even smart. Itachi always planned ahead and analyzes in battle. U think Itachi can't but Itachi is def in the same lvl as Hashi, he has susanoo and amatarasu and etc and Madara was never shown to have these powers (these extraordinary powers).
Madara is the legend, plus he has wayy more battle experience, he has EMS which equals his MS techs(3 eye jutsus) and his brothers 3 MS techs!!! SO 6 MS techs vs Itachs 3 MS techs and his two weapons... Just sayinggg lol
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EMS means stronger (in terms of raw power of jutsu). The skill plays into factor as well. We don't know who is smarter, and you can definatly say that Madara was indeed smart to face off against Hashirama and to take control of the Kyuubi. As leader of a clan of natural genius shinobi, and also being stated as the most gifted member of the Uchiha clan, you cannot even speculate that he wasn't smart. If anything, before we can make conclusions of who is smarter, we have to put each of them at the same level of intellect to be fair, because Madara is a genius. I wasn't saying Itachi wasn't on Hashirama's level, I was making a comparison to Madara's level of his KG. What I mean to say is. Think of an Hashirama as an Uchiha, that is Madara. Itachi isn't a Hashirama with the Sharingan (IMO). Itachi is genius in genjutsu (but we've seen Sasuke match him in terms of non-MS level gen), Itachi also has the strongest Susanoo, and he has Amaterasu. We don't know Madara's abilities with the MS to determine what he has to defend against it if he can defend against it. Based on reputation and his feet to match Hashirama I am still inclined to say Madara. I don't believe Itachi could defeat Hashirama though, but I need more proof to back myself on that one.
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Madara was betrayed by his clan and fought Hashi and came away wit nothing. Also where does it say he took control of kyuubi?? Based on rep, Itachi became leader of anbu at age 13 and killed his whole clan at age like 14 or 15. Madara only was strong and did nothing but lose to Hashi. Also Hashi can only suppress tailed beast not make them help him. So suppressing beast wud do him no good against Itachi, and we have seen them both fight, the 1st was pretty lame. Ur only saying 1st due to hype and that is a fact, I am saying Itachi because of skill, etc. Anyways in my opinion until we see more from madara, Itachi cud probably beat him. As a matter of fact Itachi is still out there and I think he may end up fighting him.
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The battle between Madara and Hashirama was ledgendary and you cannot say that Madara possed him no difficulty. If anything it was very difficult for Hashirama to defeat Madara, hence the fact that their battle created the Valley of Ends and they were revered as two of the strongest shinobi in history. Are you saying that Itachi could've killed Madara just as easily as he took down a clan that had no idea of the attack. Itachi ambushed his clan, his parents believed him to be a double agent for them in the Leaf Anbu but infact is was reversed. Now with EMS and mastery over it (I say mastery as he used MS to the point of blindness, even if it was spamming it added experience). You say Madara lost to Hashirama like that was no big deal. Most shinobi would get raped by Hashirama. In the battle of the Valley of Ends Hashirama was seen fighting Madara and the Kyuubi was under his Madara's control, go back....I can't recall but the Wiki has it and it was proven in the Manga, you may have to go back, it was explained before or during the 5 Kage arch I believe, around that general area. Madara did have control over the Kyuubi before Hashirama took it away from him and Mito sealed it within herself. The fact that he took control over it proves another point, his mastery of his Sharingan.
When you have facts on one and little to none on another you can't make conclusions. I said I'm inclined to choose Madara because of this, just as well as I am inclined to say Hashi>Itachi because of Hashirama's survival and victory over a shinobi baring the strongest eyes of the Uchihas. It seems as if I'm basing most of my argument on EMS, but the fact is with such raw power that is formiddable enough to cause any problems for most shinobi. In the hands of a man who has mastered the Sharingan that is even more dangerous. In the hands of a man said to be the most gifted of the Uchihas, a clan of natural genius shinobi...that is very dangerous and capable of being labled historic in overall power, which it is within the Narutoverse. Most reputation given to a specific person, and has been seen has been backed by Kishi. Kakashi was first rumored to have 1000 jutsu, although we haven't seen 1000 jutsu, we see a vast variety enough to make a general conclusion that he has. Minato said to be the greatest Kage...well based on your name I assume you would agree with me on saying that was proven more or less by his feets in the third war, and against Tobi and the Kyuubi.
are you serious right now madara was the leader of the uchiha clans and was the most gifted member of the Uchiha clan. Even by his clan's standards, Madara's chakra was unusually strong. i hate when people bring up susanoo as if its unbeatable ... like itachi himself said "every tech has a weakness" newflash also when if for all you know he might have susanoo himself or something better madara FTW
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theres a reason why madara is kabuto's trump card an not itachi its cuz hes stronger. if itachi is fighting some1 that has sharingan an he cant use genjutsu that really effects his skills..a sharingan at madara level i kno madara is not stupid so itachi loses he will not out smart madara...like if sasuke had ms when he fought itachi itachi would hav lost that fight 4real all uchiha's are smart an with sharingan any plans kinda become useless.
i don't want to go in details but madara is very likely betterone he has ems. And two he is the trump card its not nagato, 3rd raikage, muu, 2nd mizukage and not itachi. tobi was scared of fighting him for a reason he was very powerful he was not sacred of itachi was he no he was not, itachi is very powerful but based on the rep like reborn said its very likely madara is superior.
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^^ Yes but its not certain until we see Madara fight. And by saying this u know ur also saying Hashi is superior to Itachi which most likely makes him superior to Minato.
