ok now after the time skip and the present moment on fishmen island is it safe to say that luffy and zoro are atleast on 7 warlord lvl seeing how luffy beat 2 of them befor he went through all the training how do you guys think he will do against the admirals now cause i think he would be way to over powered if he could beat them now seeing as how young he is i think he could put a great fight up though
[Spoilers] luffy and zoro
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lubricati0n
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idk that seems over powerd i know hes atleast stronger then vice admirals though ive always looked at them as weak besides garp whose well above admiral lvl i want us to see him go against aokiji
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Luffy's definitively on warlord/shichibukai level. Although that depends on which one he's facing. Same applies for Zoro.
Maybe they are at admiral level. I do think Luffy can (and will) face an admiral and survive or even win. I personally nominate these battles against admirals:
Luffy vs Akainu
Sanji vs Kizaru
Robin vs Aokiji
I don't care if Robin or Sanji loose, I want to see those fights!! XD
Maybe they are at admiral level. I do think Luffy can (and will) face an admiral and survive or even win. I personally nominate these battles against admirals:
Luffy vs Akainu
Sanji vs Kizaru
Robin vs Aokiji
I don't care if Robin or Sanji loose, I want to see those fights!! XD
Saying he's on admiral level is frankly retarded, even vice admiral level is a little out there. You guys are underrating the admirals and overrating luffy. Some of the strongest pirates in the new world practically pissed themselves just at the site of akaino, even blackbeard fled at the site of him with all those powerful allies who it's safe to say were probably as strong as luffy is now. He's definitely on shibukai(spelling) level, the only thing is you can't really classify shibukai as a level, since it seems they're all on different power levels.
Moria, was quite pathetic at his end, it seemed he couldn't even scratch doflamingo.
Crocodile, seems to be pretty strong, but a very obvious and exploitable weakness.
Hancock, seems to be extremely powerful, not quite the big 2 shibukai but still really strong.
Jinbei, Same as hancock.
Puma, before his cyborg upgrades I'd say he was level with jinbei, after them(even though he's been wiped) I'd have to give him an edge.
Hawkeyes/doflamingo, They seem to be on a "diffefrent level" more like admiral and emperor level, just but their act around emperors and admirals, they seem even more cocky than the others.
I'd say luffy is a little under vice admiral level, even though he'd put up a good fight against an admiral because of his haki usage, as displayed in recent chapters it still isn't all powerful, just because he can hit them with haki doesn't necessarily mean he can do a considerable amount of damage, even without their DF I'm sure the admirals are powerful, so even if he could hit them doesn't mean much, gives him a much better chance but doesn't mean much.
Moria, was quite pathetic at his end, it seemed he couldn't even scratch doflamingo.
Crocodile, seems to be pretty strong, but a very obvious and exploitable weakness.
Hancock, seems to be extremely powerful, not quite the big 2 shibukai but still really strong.
Jinbei, Same as hancock.
Puma, before his cyborg upgrades I'd say he was level with jinbei, after them(even though he's been wiped) I'd have to give him an edge.
Hawkeyes/doflamingo, They seem to be on a "diffefrent level" more like admiral and emperor level, just but their act around emperors and admirals, they seem even more cocky than the others.
I'd say luffy is a little under vice admiral level, even though he'd put up a good fight against an admiral because of his haki usage, as displayed in recent chapters it still isn't all powerful, just because he can hit them with haki doesn't necessarily mean he can do a considerable amount of damage, even without their DF I'm sure the admirals are powerful, so even if he could hit them doesn't mean much, gives him a much better chance but doesn't mean much.
probably not there yet dude but IMO i think both luffy and zoro are a lil bit above vice-admiral lvl he has trained with haki and uses a type most ppl do not even have i think he has grown very much so i believe he is at least vice captain lvl and so is zoro who was trained by mihawk himself and i like how unlike naruto who learns in a week OP makes it realistic and uses 2 years.
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I'd say he's at least a little above Vice Admiral.
Also, I don't see Hawk-Eyes as the cocky.
Izuna Uchiha
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I completely agree with this post.
On a further level of "underestimating the admirals"; you guys don't seem to realize that those 3 are the epitome of power and skills when it comes to their own devil fruit. If you think Luffy learned a lot and is very proefficient with his fruit, wait till we see what the admirals can do.
We were given hints at their powers, but we didn't get to actually see much creativity yet. Only Logia being Logia. I'm pretty sure we'll they have some plenty of wicked move that they only use when they're facing strong enemies in 1v1. There were too many factors at Marine HQ that kept them from going all out (friendly fire and destroying the island as to be on top).
Luffy is still faaaaar from the top, but he'll get there
Akainu didn't really seem to be holding back though.I completely agree with this post.
On a further level of "underestimating the admirals"; you guys don't seem to realize that those 3 are the epitome of power and skills when it comes to their own devil fruit. If you think Luffy learned a lot and is very proefficient with his fruit, wait till we see what the admirals can do.
We were given hints at their powers, but we didn't get to actually see much creativity yet. Only Logia being Logia. I'm pretty sure we'll they have some plenty of wicked move that they only use when they're facing strong enemies in 1v1. There were too many factors at Marine HQ that kept them from going all out (friendly fire and destroying the island as to be on top).
Luffy is still faaaaar from the top, but he'll get there
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You're right about him, but for some reason, I always considered him the weakest of the 3. His DF is cleared stronger then Aokiji, but in terms of raw development and skill, I consider him to be somewhat behind the 3 others.
Can't wait to see more from Kizaru and Aokiji.
In terms of smarts, Akainu is far from the top. But he shows his raw power when fighting with Ace/Luffy/Whitebeard. Although it seems as though he wouldn't have been able to beat whitebeard, he handled Luffy/Ace/Jimbei fairly easily.
I believe that the overall best admiral is Aokiji. His sense of justice, and his smarts put him above the others. And although his Devil Fruit wouldn't stand up much against Akainu, we know nothing of his Haki power. He was also recommended to become the next fleet admiral.
But given what we have seen from the three, I would say the power order is Akainu > Aokiji > Kizaru.
Kizaru is at the bottom simply because he seems a little stupid to me, and takes his time way too often when fighting.
As for Luffy's current level, I would say he's around Vice-Admiral, but still not as strong as the Schibukai like Hawk-Eyes. It's seems as though vice admiral's are very strong, considering that Garp was a vice admiral and was able to fight on par with the pirate king in his day's.
Luffy will progress to admiral level eventually, but as of right now he's not as strong as people think.
There is a huge power diffetence between the Shichibukai too. Saying Luffy is on Shichibukai level is a bit soon don't even mention the admirals. Croc and Moria were by far the weaker guys of the lot. They all require some kind of trick to beat. I think Boa, Flamingo, Kuma and Mihawk are still a step ahead of Luffy.
we cant really call garp vice-admiral level..in terms of strength he is on par with sengoku, its jus that garp was never interested in rank...in movie 0, it has been shown he declined offer to be promoted..his reason being he can already do what he wants, how would geting a higher rank change anthing..also when him n sengoku were fighting over who would capture gol d roger...he says to sengoku..dw i'l let u take all the credit. so comparing garp to vice admirals isnt a good reference point...in saying that i think luffy and zoro are stronger than vice-admirals but not yet in level with the admirals we've seen before the time-skip
uzamaki2223
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i agree with everything u said except for da bolded part... i think dat ur over estimating BB crew to say they r as strong as luffy is now... i kno BB original crew is nowhere near luffy as far as hell anything, we dnt kno da power of the newer members but i seriously doubt that they r at luffy's level right now n dats not to put luffy on sum pedestal but seriously naw
i think sumbody else already said it but i dnt believe dat akainu held back or cared about friendly fire...I completely agree with this post.
On a further level of "underestimating the admirals"; you guys don't seem to realize that those 3 are the epitome of power and skills when it comes to their own devil fruit. If you think Luffy learned a lot and is very proefficient with his fruit, wait till we see what the admirals can do.
We were given hints at their powers, but we didn't get to actually see much creativity yet. Only Logia being Logia. I'm pretty sure we'll they have some plenty of wicked move that they only use when they're facing strong enemies in 1v1. There were too many factors at Marine HQ that kept them from going all out (friendly fire and destroying the island as to be on top).
Luffy is still faaaaar from the top, but he'll get there
i agree completely
They were all level 6 criminals who's identities had been erased because of what they did, there was the former warden who went to and toe with magellan, who even now luffy probably can't beat, considering how terrified people were of him and how strong he was, and that was just one of them. I may be wrong, but IMO they are all on extremely powerful levels, and luffy still has a ways to go, you're forgetting there is the entire new world for him to improve on his abilities, that's plenty of room for them all to get WAY stronger. BB original crew members deff not, but most probably the escaped convicts.
Crocodile is definetely not one of the weakest. Direct quote from onepiece.wikia: "He defeated Luffy no less than twice before he was eventually defeated; in fact if it were not for a matter of luck and several helpers, Luffy would have been killed in all three battles: either from the stab in his body (first fight), dehydration (second fight), or poisoning (third fight)."
Also he talked down on Mihawk suggesting that he is stronger than Hawk Eyes. And both Mihawk and Akainu really seemed to be conserned when Crocodile got in their way.
agree but one thing garp is way superior to any vice admirals and is probably better than the admirals too he was asked many times to be promoted but refused. garp is on pirate king lvl he is not like the other vice-admirals. but now he is old so not quite as strong as he was b4.