[Theory] [Official]The Giant Tobi Discussion/Theory Thread

[Sasuke2]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

okay, my last reply since I have to go, when did he send him into battle blind? and let's not forget that izuna is a grown man, not a child, if he wanted someone's eyes he could have gotten them himself, so I don't know what "let" him battle blind means. and what the heck is "anti-hashirama" poison and anyway he told tobi "I haven't told a soul" after tobi immediately saw who was in the coffin, the secret was related to the person in the coffin, not some poision.

I havent told a soul was not meant that he has not told the secret to anyone. He meant that he did not bind the soul to that summoned body. Read different translation. And to Izuna, re-read what I said again and that chapter as well.
How would Izuna take someone's eyes when he was blind ? ... Madara has send him to fight.
It was not like: "Oh, brother ... just take my eyes and now I will go and get myself killed for fun"

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Unknows at this point, but the most used theory is that he gave his EMS turned off to Nagato because he was born blind. Thats why we have never seen Madara using EMS in present. Nagato as an Uzumaki activated the turned off EMS as a Rinnegan seeing the death of his parents.
EMS (Sage's eyes) + Uzumaki (Sage's body) = Rinnegan in other words.
Think about that ... There is just 1 person in history that awakened EMS and its Madara. (Not counting Sasuke because its recent) and the only 1 person besides Sage of the 6 paths to posses Rinnegan and its Nagato.
The man saying he is Uchiha Madara has shown no EMS at all, thats why he is interested in Sasuke ... he sacrificed his EMS to create Rinnegan and now he want it back and will take Sasuke's.

It was double entendre. He meant that he started the war that triggered the Rinnegan to activate and since he is So6P eldest son that inherited the eyes of the Sage the subsequent eyes came from him.

I guess you could actually say triple entendre since he was inhabiting Hanzhou the Salander's body at that time when he and Danzou betrayed Nagato causing his Rinnegan to activate.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

its obito.. same sort of sharingan abilities as kakashi.. each having the sharingan in the opposing eye.. plus not to sure but wasnt it mentioned somewhere both eyes have to be active to use m/s? well if thats the case, both eyes are active just in different bodies. conclusion: either madara/toby is obito......... or both kakashi and toby/madara's eyes belong from the same freaking eyes sockets....... in other words its obito's eyeballs.

why cover the face/body? i dont think its because his got low self esteem.. his hiding his ID. people know who madara is.. for crying out loud theres a big ass statue 1000x human size with his face carved on it.. so point is.. why would someone claim to be madara and then hide is face? cos its not him.

u know where madara is? in the mystery/kinder surprise coffin kabuto showed tobi, what else would make him freak the hell out like that.

obito was crushed to death highly unlikely even the fourth hokage knew he was dead when he came to save them plus his body on the rigt side was completey crushed that theory goes right out the window

 

[natssuu]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is indeed Izuna. I could post a theory about it, but people wouldn't read it 'cause they can't accept that Tobi is someone else than Madara.

 

[Gokumaki Uchiha]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Hello all new here just had to say this tobi is madara itachi didn't say he wasn't wen he broke kabuto's control and when he talked with naruto he said madara did know correct me if i'm wrong but did itachi not say i'll take care of the edo's while you take care of madara and i'm leaving sasuke to you

 

[Kinimaster]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

It does. He used Kunai to kill not gentle fist.

He used that orange mask to act as "Tobi" and hide the fact he is alive. He then revealed he is Madara and changed the mask to resemble the Ten-Tail's eye. Im saying he has not aged since Hashirama fight, but even back then he was old ... like in 50's. Half his face is made from Zetsu mass thats why its hidden. And he was about to show his whole face to Sasuke, so theres nothing like another secret identity. In coffin is Izuna

He broke that not due to them seeing his face, Kisame wanted Madara's world without lies. It was his last cry to fulfil that dream.

Minato, Itachi called him Madara ... re-read the chapter. It was Minato who bringed up the masked man must be Madara.


Tobi is Madara ... Half his body is "repaired" with Zetsu mass. He has both blood and goo

1.- Lot of ninjas use kunai or another technique for a final blow, not just his KKG, its irrelevant what you posted, since the manga doesnt show us Zetsu clones couldnt do it neither otherwise.
2.- You are pretty convinced the coffin is Izuna, hows that suppose to be a secret for Tobi or why would Tobi care if Kabuto spread the word?
3.- How do yo explain Tobi knowing Torune's father, they shouldnt have met, because Madara's was exiled from Konoha and they are both from different eras.
4.- Itachi and Minato could be fooled for example by just looking at his sharingan(Madara's), Tobi has a laboratory with most valuable Uchiha eyes.
5.- Your EMS-Rin'negan theory is nice and could happen, but i doubt Kishi would go that deep just to have a random Uzumaki kid, developed the Rin'negan. The sage didnt had a Uzumaki body nor its stated in the Manga. The Uzumaki and Senju were different clans, since Hashirama married Mito. Plus we all saw an orphan Nagato with the Rin'negan alone, i doubt if it was Madara's experiment he would left him there to die out of hunger.
6.- I dont think Izuna has anything against his brother. Its just the cursed path of the Uchiha. Both were adults, plus Izuna could have escaped before losing the second eye if he didnt wanted to gave up on them.
7.- Im pretty convinced his mask is to hide his identity, he is probably merged with Zetsu to an extent, that doesnt mean he is 100% Madara Uchiha, could be another Uchiha merged or just another ninja. You know Madara wasnt the only ninja to ever get serious injuries, after all its a world of war and deception.

I have to say i like the way you changed the flow of this thread from a raw statement to at least an open minded discussion, this is how this threads should be.

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Hello all new here just had to say this tobi is madara itachi didn't say he wasn't wen he broke kabuto's control and when he talked with naruto he said madara did know correct me if i'm wrong but did itachi not say i'll take care of the edo's while you take care of madara and i'm leaving sasuke to you

if you look at that same chapter you will see how itachi gets manipulated by him being fooled by how much he knew so infact itachi may not even know who he really is since tobi was so clever is decieving itachi, what do you expect him to say someone elses name when the 5 nations think he's madara when tobi somehow claims he is so itachi will call him madara to naruto because naruto knows who he's referring to.Just even looking at his face should tell you how much shock he was in so he might not know who tobi is.

 

[tiptop]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

the thing that people dont consider to do is compare theories. yes their are doubts for tobi=madara but compared to all the other theories its quite legit because it has more facts to back it up where by tobi=kagami/tobi=izuna are just pure "what if's" and "maybes" . its logic to go with madara because of the whole comparison stage. right?

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is Madara ... Half his body is "repaired" with Zetsu mass. He has both blood and goo

where does it say blood or show blood coming out of tobi

 

[Gokumaki Uchiha]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

And izuna is most likey in the coffin

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

the thing that people dont consider to do is compare theories. yes their are doubts for tobi=madara but compared to all the other theories its quite legit because it has more facts to back it up where by tobi=kagami/tobi=izuna are just pure "what if's" and "maybes" . its logic to go with madara because of the whole comparison stage. right?

it's not good to go with madara because he's supposed to be dead by the first hokage that's why it's also seems false to believe but tobi claims he is madara.

 

[tiptop]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

if you look at that same chapter you will see how itachi gets manipulated by him being fooled by how much he knew so infact itachi may not even know who he really is since tobi was so clever is decieving itachi, what do you expect him to say someone elses name when the 5 nations think he's madara when tobi somehow claims he is so itachi will call him madara to naruto because naruto knows who he's referring to.Just even looking at his face should tell you how much shock he was in so he might not know who tobi is.

if that was the case then itachi wouldnt even go off like that he will stop naruto and tell him straight "i dont think he is madara" . i dont see where you got the idea that itachi had doubts or anything, i could tell that itachi was convinced that it is madara, no doubts their. but theirs a small chance of deception but i doubt itachi will fall for that at this point as he is displayed as a very knwoledge based character , almost like a guru , he even preached abit about "assumptions" to sasuke so i think itachi would have caught on to that before about madara. INFACT itachi mentioned to sasuke something along the lines of "every one assumed madara was dead back then , but it proves again assumptions can be wrong because i found him...and he was my mentor..."

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

if that was the case then itachi wouldnt even go off like that he will stop naruto and tell him straight "i dont think he is madara" . i dont see where you got the idea that itachi had doubts or anything, i could tell that itachi was convinced that it is madara, no doubts their. but theirs a small chance of deception but i doubt itachi will fall for that at this point as he is displayed as a very knwoledge based character , almost like a guru , he even preached abit about "assumptions" to sasuke so i think itachi would have caught on to that before about madara. INFACT itachi mentioned to sasuke something along the lines of "every one assumed madara was dead back then , but it proves again assumptions can be wrong because i found him...and he was my mentor..."

itachi wouldn't stop naruto becuase if he doesn't know who this person real identity is there no reason too but he can tell him he's madara since there reffering tobi as madara now.why will itachi warn him itachi knows this person/ability but does not know his true identity.it's clear that this (tobi) is smarter than itachi because itachi failed to keep his duty a secret but tobi knew what he was doing and even told sasuke(who itachi never wanted to know his intentions by that time)which made itachi life long work gone so it's clear tobi knew about everyone and itachi didn't know much aout tobi we can even use this line if he knew more about me he could have killed me which is what tobi said basically.
itachi is smart but tobi knew all his intentions from him just joining the akatsuki and made itachi plan fail and also the truth/or part of the truth slip out into fellow konoha citizens so itachi really never had any good knowledge of what tobi was really doing.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Tobi is indeed Izuna. I could post a theory about it, but people wouldn't read it 'cause they can't accept that Tobi is someone else than Madara.

well i just quoted you saying that so if it is true i witnessed it

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

scan?

i can tell you it's in the episode when tobi tells about the uchiha clan to sasuke

 

[tiptop]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

itachi wouldn't stop naruto becuase if he doesn't know who this person real identity is there no reason too but he can tell him he's madara since there reffering tobi as madara now.why will itachi warn him itachi knows this person/ability but does not know his true identity.it's clear that this (tobi) is smarter than itachi because itachi failed to keep his duty a secret but tobi knew what he was doing and even told sasuke(who itachi never wanted to know his intentions by that time)which made itachi life long work gone so it's clear tobi knew about everyone and itachi didn't know much aout tobi we can even use this line if he knew more about me he could have killed me which is what tobi said basically.
itachi is smart but tobi knew all his intentions from him just joining the akatsuki and made itachi plan fail and also the truth/or part of the truth slip out into fellow konoha citizens so itachi really never had any good knowledge of what tobi was really doing.

i can see you really trying to justify your opinion but it really doesnt benefit much because your reasoning's just sound absurd. itachi had doubts about tobi/madaras identity but he was like "watever il jus keep on calling him and pretending its madara because it wont help in anything anyway" , reallY!? you cant actually expect this to come out like that. itachi isnt that blunt , he departed from naruto with in mind that he wont encounter him ever again , but something as important as that being kept in is...dumb, how can itachi tell naruto to handle madara yet he thinks its not madara which if this was to be mentioned it can help in the future to figure out his history etc and abilities etc. but im going too deep into something I dont even believe in lol.
the whole idea is not kishi style, people think their is secrets behind the character of tobi/madara, but not anymore and its been that way ever since itachi and jiraiya mentioned the name madara uchiha as being someone secretive and darker than everyone else thinks. then more was revealed of tobi when kisame noticed him and also refered to him as madara . then pain and konan had a meeting with MADARA. my point is that the mystery of "tobi" is already out the bag .

 

[laxus]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i can see you really trying to justify your opinion but it really doesnt benefit much because your reasoning's just sound absurd. itachi had doubts about tobi/madaras identity but he was like "watever il jus keep on calling him and pretending its madara because it wont help in anything anyway" , reallY!? you cant actually expect this to come out like that. itachi isnt that blunt , he departed from naruto with in mind that he wont encounter him ever again , but something as important as that being kept in is...dumb, how can itachi tell naruto to handle madara yet he thinks its not madara which if this was to be mentioned it can help in the future to figure out his history etc and abilities etc. but im going too deep into something I dont even believe in lol.
the whole idea is not kishi style, people think their is secrets behind the character of tobi/madara, but not anymore and its been that way ever since itachi and jiraiya mentioned the name madara uchiha as being someone secretive and darker than everyone else thinks. then more was revealed of tobi when kisame noticed him and also refered to him as madara . then pain and konan had a meeting with MADARA. my point is that the mystery of "tobi" is already out the bag .

do really expect for itachi to guess who this person is, itachi should just call him madara because it's obvious he doesn't know this person true identity he'll tell naruto to fight madara because that what everyone refers him too since he claims it's him, why would itachi have a conversation of what tobi could be when he doesn't even know enough about this person,plus there's war he going to talk while the revive are killing people there in a hurry and all naruto needed to know at that time with itachi were his faults that's all.

there no eveidence of tobi really being madara.
jairaiya says it because the person controlled a nine tailed fox and madara was known to do it.
then again a skilled sharingan user with enough sinister chakra to control the nine tails it's possible a uchiha/person to do this it just takes skill.
itachi can call him madara because that's what tobi refers himself too they have worked together in the past,tobi is a pure liar and likes to put people in despair and manipulate them.
kabuto somehow seems to know who this person truely is just being sarcastic to him because he knows his true identity.
this tobi could be a zetsu clone for all we know there so many faults of him being madara even the abilties he's shown a person thats not from the uchiha clan can do.

 

[Veys]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

here something thats making me think ..
Why if he is Madara he never shows his face?
Why Always White Zetsu calls him Tobi ?

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

i can see you really trying to justify your opinion but it really doesnt benefit much because your reasoning's just sound absurd. itachi had doubts about tobi/madaras identity but he was like "watever il jus keep on calling him and pretending its madara because it wont help in anything anyway" , reallY!? you cant actually expect this to come out like that. itachi isnt that blunt , he departed from naruto with in mind that he wont encounter him ever again , but something as important as that being kept in is...dumb, how can itachi tell naruto to handle madara yet he thinks its not madara which if this was to be mentioned it can help in the future to figure out his history etc and abilities etc. but im going too deep into something I dont even believe in lol.
the whole idea is not kishi style, people think their is secrets behind the character of tobi/madara, but not anymore and its been that way ever since itachi and jiraiya mentioned the name madara uchiha as being someone secretive and darker than everyone else thinks. then more was revealed of tobi when kisame noticed him and also refered to him as madara . then pain and konan had a meeting with MADARA. my point is that the mystery of "tobi" is already out the bag .

Your discounting the Kabuto interaction with Madara at the beginning of the war. He said so your calling yourself Madara these days. Shows him Edo Tensei and the mystery coffin and says don't worry I won't tell anyone, then mockingly begins referring to him as Madara. This causes Madara to call him a cheeky brat. Tell us what that was all about and the speculation will go away.

 

[tiptop]

Re: The Ultimate proof that Tobi is indeed Madara

Your discounting the Kabuto interaction with Madara at the beginning of the war. He said so your calling yourself Madara these days. Shows him Edo Tensei and the mystery coffin and says don't worry I won't tell anyone, then mockingly begins referring to him as Madara. This causes Madara to call him a cheeky brat. Tell us what that was all about and the speculation will go away.

yeah this is the one single evidence from the manga (that is a fact obvs) that contradicts all tobi=madara theories, im not gonna lie to myself just to justify. but taking that in, getting past it , looking at the bigger picture; tobi=madara theory stands above others. sorry but its true , i dont see any facts/evidence that give credit to tobi=izuna , tobi=kagami , tobi=zetsu clone? and tobi=the elder son.
until ACTUALLY proven otherwise ; tobi=madara , theirs been no DIRECT dialogue saying "madara isnt the man behind the mask".