[Theory] Rinnegan's secret TRUTH (weak)

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Senju didn't become important until recently. What makes you so sure that Uzumaki and Hyuga aren't important? Are you stupid? Tobi is telling a story where everything in the world revolves around Uchiha and Senju because obviously Uchiha is his own clan and Senju was the clan of his hated rival. Did anyone else in the manga even state anything about the So6P other than Jiraiya who only reclaimed that he had the Rinnegan.

You are repeatedly ignoring the fact that Hyuga was mentioned to be in the same lineage as Uchiha and was said to be the oldest clan in the Hidden Leaf. Oldest means older than Uchiha. You are also ignoring the fact that the older son's eye is very well related to the Rinnegan and the Uzumaki clan symbol both of which belonged to an Uzumaki and not a Uchiha nor a Senju.

Also, you can stop typing in caps as it doesn't make a difference and stop bolding useless info.

EDIT: I already provided the pages where Kakashi is saying the Byakugan is the oldest clan in the Hidden Leaf. He also mentions that Sharingan's origin is with the Hyuga clan. Please go back to my previous post and read the chapters I kindly linked. You didn't even have to click on the links yet you managed to miss it completely and you're stating I can't read, lmao.

The ENTIRE village is founded on the teachings of the Senju so Naruto being the hero is only because of the Senju so how were they NOT IMPORTANT until RECENTLY when they were responsible for EVERYTHING THE MANGA IS ABOUT?

I ignored your comment about the Hyuua TO SPARE YOUR FEELINGS!!!
WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE, THE UCHIHA CLAN HAD BEEN WIPED OUT DUMBASS!!! OF COURSE THE HYUUGA CLAN IS THE OLDEST CLAN IN THE VILLAGE NOW!!! And Kakashi said "they say the Uchiha" not sharingan. And who say? The Hyuuga?? Those arrogant *******s??? That doesn't mean its accurate it's word of mouth. Kakashi was relating gossip not history! You should consider everything BEFORE you act like it's your trump card......And i missed the links b/c i was typing a reply when you posted them but nice try on the insult anyway!

And the older got the sages eyes we ALL know that. But it only RESEMBLES the rinnegan. And so what? What's your point? The Eddy Village uses a spiral. So? Their main house is Uzumaki which means "Spiral" and an Eddy is a whirlpool which is also a spiral. So you think them using a spiral HAS to be related to the rinnegan "looking kinda like a spiral"?!?!? WEAK. Especially since Kishi has already said THEY ARE RELATED TO THE YOUNGER SON'S DECENDANTS, THE SENJU. So what point are you trying to make with this older son thing EXACTLY??? Thats why i've ignored it. Cuz you haven't made a point for me to argue.

 

[laxus]

The ENTIRE village is founded on the teachings of the Senju so Naruto being the hero is only because of the Senju so how were they NOT IMPORTANT until RECENTLY when they were responsible for EVERYTHING THE MANGA IS ABOUT?

I ignored your comment about the Hyuua TO SPARE YOUR FEELINGS!!!
WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE, THE UCHIHA CLAN HAD BEEN WIPED OUT DUMBASS!!! OF COURSE THE HYUUGA CLAN IS THE OLDEST CLAN IN THE VILLAGE NOW!!! And Kakashi said "they say the Uchiha" not sharingan. And who say? The Hyuuga?? Those arrogant *******s??? That doesn't mean its accurate it's word of mouth. Kakashi was relating gossip not history! You should consider everything BEFORE you act like it's your trump card......And i missed the links b/c i was typing a reply when you posted them but nice try on the insult anyway!

And the older got the sages eyes we ALL know that. But it only RESEMBLES the rinnegan. And so what? What's your point? The Eddy Village uses a spiral. So? Their main house is Uzumaki which means "Spiral" and an Eddy is a whirlpool which is also a spiral. So you think them using a spiral HAS to be related to the rinnegan "looking kinda like a spiral"?!?!? WEAK. Especially since Kishi has already said THEY ARE RELATED TO THE YOUNGER SON'S DECENDANTS, THE SENJU. So what point are you trying to make with this older son thing EXACTLY??? Thats why i've ignored it. Cuz you haven't made a point for me to argue.

your arguement is invalid because in your logic sasuke and itachi were still alive so kakashi would of said uchiha but said hygua instead.
also he said hygua are the oldest clan in konoha meaning there older than every clan there even including extict clans and there's more to the story about the founding of konoha

 

[Inception]

The ENTIRE village is founded on the teachings of the Senju so Naruto being the hero is only because of the Senju so how were they NOT IMPORTANT until RECENTLY when they were responsible for EVERYTHING THE MANGA IS ABOUT?

I meant they weren't shown to be this important until Madara revealed his rivalry with the 1st.

I ignored your comment about the Hyuua TO SPARE YOUR FEELINGS!!!
WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE, THE UCHIHA CLAN HAD BEEN WIPED OUT DUMBASS!!! OF COURSE THE HYUUGA CLAN IS THE OLDEST CLAN IN THE VILLAGE NOW!!! And Kakashi said "they say the Uchiha" not sharingan. And who say? The Hyuuga?? Those arrogant *******s??? That doesn't mean its accurate it's word of mouth. Kakashi was relating gossip not history! You should consider everything BEFORE you act like it's your trump card......And i missed the links b/c i was typing a reply when you posted them but nice try on the insult anyway!

To spare my feelings? Lol, act desperate much? Let me simplify it for you, oldest is oldest even if the Uchiha clan is dead. Kakashi would have said, besides the Uchiha clan, Hyuga is the oldest clan in Leaf. Sasuke was still part of the village, everyone knew about the Uchiha clan. Itachi was also alive.

laxus above me has already posted this but your argument is VERY invalid. Are you sure you know the meaning of the word "oldest"?

You also ignored the fact that he said Uchiha's origin is with Hyuga clan. What will you do about this point? Will you enlighten me on how you think Kishi is putting false info in this part to misinform us further? .

And the older got the sages eyes we ALL know that. But it only RESEMBLES the rinnegan. And so what? What's your point? The Eddy Village uses a spiral. So? Their main house is Uzumaki which means "Spiral" and an Eddy is a whirlpool which is also a spiral. So you think them using a spiral HAS to be related to the rinnegan "looking kinda like a spiral"?!?!? WEAK. Especially since Kishi has already said THEY ARE RELATED TO THE YOUNGER SON'S DECENDANTS, THE SENJU. So what point are you trying to make with this older son thing EXACTLY??? Thats why i've ignored it. Cuz you haven't made a point for me to argue.

You're replying to my counter-arguments with "so what". You are the OP of this thread, least you can do is provide some basic argument of why exactly the Uzumaki clan symbol resembles the Rinnegan and the older son's eye instead of just saying it's a weak argument when it's clearly not.

Keep on assuming things. I'm done with you and your desperate posts. Your post above clearly proves how desperate you are and to what extend you will go to make sure you are right. Your theory is shit anyways.

 

[Avani]

The ENTIRE village is founded on the teachings of the Senju so Naruto being the hero is only because of the Senju so how were they NOT IMPORTANT until RECENTLY when they were responsible for EVERYTHING THE MANGA IS ABOUT?

I ignored your comment about the Hyuua TO SPARE YOUR FEELINGS!!!
WHEN THAT STATEMENT WAS MADE, THE UCHIHA CLAN HAD BEEN WIPED OUT DUMBASS!!! OF COURSE THE HYUUGA CLAN IS THE OLDEST CLAN IN THE VILLAGE NOW!!! And Kakashi said "they say the Uchiha" not sharingan. And who say? The Hyuuga?? Those arrogant *******s??? That doesn't mean its accurate it's word of mouth. Kakashi was relating gossip not history! You should consider everything BEFORE you act like it's your trump card......And i missed the links b/c i was typing a reply when you posted them but nice try on the insult anyway!

And the older got the sages eyes we ALL know that. But it only RESEMBLES the rinnegan. And so what? What's your point? The Eddy Village uses a spiral. So? Their main house is Uzumaki which means "Spiral" and an Eddy is a whirlpool which is also a spiral. So you think them using a spiral HAS to be related to the rinnegan "looking kinda like a spiral"?!?!? WEAK. Especially since Kishi has already said THEY ARE RELATED TO THE YOUNGER SON'S DECENDANTS, THE SENJU. So what point are you trying to make with this older son thing EXACTLY??? Thats why i've ignored it. Cuz you haven't made a point for me to argue.

I think what Inception meant was that Knoha was built only 80 years or so ago- according to manga. It's not that long a time to people to start thinking that rinnegan is just a legend- so S06P is certainly much older. Uzumaki village disbanded soon after Kushina was brought in or was already disbanded after the shinobi war.

Kakashi wasn't telling the gossip- your interpretation is way off. I wish Kishi had elaborated on Bayakugan but whatever the characters say is a bit of info. I don't see the scope for idle gossip in this manga.

As for Uzumaki relationship with Senju- it's true thatKUshina said that they were distant blood relative to Senjus.. the fact is that Madaara kind os also claimed distant blood relationship with Senjus when he said that both Uchihas and Senjus are decendants of sons of So6P.

I also do not agree that Kishi would draw a pic which he cannot use or relate to the rest of the story.. It had to be in some way. That being said I agree with you that it may not have any connection to Uzumaki whirlpool and most probably just a conincident.

We do not know from what clan So6P was? or How the rinnegan of the elder brother got watered down to Bayakugan and sharingan.. we lack a lot of info still..

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

your arguement is invalid because in your logic sasuke and itachi were still alive so kakashi would of said uchiha but said hygua instead.
also he said hygua are the oldest clan in konoha meaning there older than every clan there even including extict clans and there's more to the story about the founding of konoha

No not at all. Itachi was an exiled criminal and is NOT going to be spoke of as part of the village and Sasuke? ONE PERSON is NOT a clan.

And since Kakashi was speaking in PRESENT TENSE, it's your argument thats invalid. he said "the hyuuga clan IS...." you don't include extinct clans in IS. A dead animal that WAS the worlds oldest of their breed is not included when you say which one IS the oldest of it's breed.

Let's not forget that Kakashi was like 15 when the Uchiha clan was masacred and his whole life they were living in near isolation on the outskirts of the village, due to suspicion of involvment in the kyuubi attack, His information was learned was when people were still "not talking about it" and their history was kept by their own clan so there was no one to teach it right.
*EDIT* I meant he was around 15 when Kyuubi attacked, and

 

[Avani]

Let's not forget that Kakashi was like 15 when the Uchiha clan was masacred and his whole life they were living in near isolation on the outskirts of the village due to suspicion of involvment in the kyuubi attack, His information was learned was when people were still "not talking about it" and their history was kept by their own clan so there was no one to teach it right.

umm.. No.

Kakashi was not 15 at the time of the massacre nor Uchihas wee isolated. Obito was very much in his team and his sensei was Minato. Minato was there when he became Jounin during the thrisd shinobi war. Minato met Bee he was not married till then as they discuss Kushina's kidnapping in that meeting. He marrys, becomes hokage, Naruto is borned and then Kyubi attacks. After that onlu Uchihas were suspected and slowly planned a coup. itachi massacred them when he was around 13-14.. that was nearly 7 years after Kyuubi attack.

 

[laxus]

No not at all. Itachi was an exiled criminal and is NOT going to be spoke of as part of the village and Sasuke? ONE PERSON is NOT a clan.

And since Kakashi was speaking in PRESENT TENSE, it's your argument thats invalid. he said "the hyuuga clan IS...." you don't include extinct clans in IS. A dead animal that WAS the worlds oldest of their breed is not included when you say which one IS the oldest of it's breed.

Let's not forget that Kakashi was like 15 when the Uchiha clan was masacred and his whole life they were living in near isolation on the outskirts of the village due to suspicion of involvment in the kyuubi attack, His information was learned was when people were still "not talking about it" and their history was kept by their own clan so there was no one to teach it right.

kakshi wasn't 15 when the uchiha clan was massacre happened that's way off
sasuke is still apart of the clan it doesn't matter if itachi is not even there he still alive they are clan members.where are you getting that the uchiha clan is extinct it's not even extinct because there is sasuke so he would of mentioned the uchiha were the oldest,

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

I think what Inception meant was that Knoha was built only 80 years or so ago- according to manga. It's not that long a time to people to start thinking that rinnegan is just a legend- so S06P is certainly much older. Uzumaki village disbanded soon after Kushina was brought in or was already disbanded after the shinobi war.

Kakashi wasn't telling the gossip- your interpretation is way off. I wish Kishi had elaborated on Bayakugan but whatever the characters say is a bit of info. I don't see the scope for idle gossip in this manga.

As for Uzumaki relationship with Senju- it's true thatKUshina said that they were distant blood relative to Senjus.. the fact is that Madaara kind os also claimed distant blood relationship with Senjus when he said that both Uchihas and Senjus are decendants of sons of So6P.

I also do not agree that Kishi would draw a pic which he cannot use or relate to the rest of the story.. It had to be in some way. That being said I agree with you that it may not have any connection to Uzumaki whirlpool and most probably just a conincident.

We do not know from what clan So6P was? or How the rinnegan of the elder brother got watered down to Bayakugan and sharingan.. we lack a lot of info still..

I dunno he said that the hyuuga clan being called the oldest meant "older than uchiha" and said they could be directly related to SO6P! And with no Uchiha "lore keepers" around to dispute/correct, even if people say Uchiha's origins lie with Hyuuga's, it's just a thoery or gossip since no one knew for sure at that time and Jiraiya probly only believed in SO6P because of his travels and things.

And as for the drawings. Its a common tool used in Japan. Its like how in movies they use Sepia when thinking of childhood memories. That art style is used when there is narration of a "story" or "legend" when the visuals are "interpretations of the teller" and not "factual". There's a 90% chance that those were representative of what Madara thinks they look like or The Listener (i think Konan) thought they would look like.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

umm.. No.

Kakashi was not 15 at the time of the massacre nor Uchihas wee isolated. Obito was very much in his team and his sensei was Minato. Minato was there when he became Jounin during the thrisd shinobi war. Minato met Bee he was not married till then as they discuss Kushina's kidnapping in that meeting. He marrys, becomes hokage, Naruto is borned and then Kyubi attacks. After that onlu Uchihas were suspected and slowly planned a coup. itachi massacred them when he was around 13-14.. that was nearly 7 years after Kyuubi attack.

You're right i was typing too fast i meant when kyuubi attacked. He became jonin at 15 and that battle ended war i thought. Then maybe 16 or 17 when kyuubi attacked . I don't recall a timeline being firmly discussed but if your timeline is right kakashi is like 39!!!! That's NOT acurrate. and also Minato wasn't married since when Jiraiya asked the baby's name He repeated it as "Naruto Uzumaki huh?"

 

[Inception]

I dunno he said that the hyuuga clan being called the oldest meant "older than uchiha" and said they could be directly related to SO6P! And with no Uchiha "lore keepers" around to dispute/correct, even if people say Uchiha's origins lie with Hyuuga's, it's just a thoery or gossip since no one knew for sure at that time and Jiraiya probly only believed in SO6P because of his travels and things.

And as for the drawings. Its a common tool used in Japan. Its like how in movies they use Sepia when thinking of childhood memories. That art style is used when there is narration of a "story" or "legend" when the visuals are "interpretations of the teller" and not "factual". There's a 90% chance that those were representative of what Madara thinks they look like or The Listener (i think Konan) thought they would look like.

Lol, this is hilarious. Why do you keep using the "it was a gossip" as an argument. It's pretty desperate.

First of all, Kakashi said Hyuga were the oldest clan from the Leaf Village. If Uchiha were the oldest, he would have mentioned the Uchiha as they were clearly known throughout the village.

Keep labeling quotes directly from the manga as gossip and a "theory" because your last post contained nothing but your "theories". To think you would use theories to counter my arguments and facts that I've provided straight from the manga.

Second, you are STILL ignoring the fact that Kakashi said Uchiha's origin is with Hyuga clan. You're claiming what Kakashi said was incorrect mainly because people went around saying whatever they wanted because no one was there to correct them. What makes you so sure that Uchiha's are the "lore keepers"? Another one of your theories, right? Seems pretty far-fetched lmfao.

And Kakashi was a jonin when the Uchiha massacre happened. It wasn't too long before the manga started, only 5 years prior to the start of Naruto.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

kakshi wasn't 15 when the uchiha clan was massacre happened that's way off
sasuke is still apart of the clan it doesn't matter if itachi is not even there he still alive they are clan members.where are you getting that the uchiha clan is extinct it's not even extinct because there is sasuke so he would of mentioned the uchiha were the oldest,

ONE PERSON is not a clan it's just a name. And since Sasuke was either 6 or 7 (can't remember) when the clan died, It's not like HE would know their full history. And let's not forget the LEAF ORDERED UCHIHA ELIMINATED. So just like all the shinobi were ORDERED not to talk about Naruto being the Kyuubi, i'm sure there were orders about the Uchiha since the elders wanted them GONE FROM THE LEAF.

 

[Inception]

ONE PERSON is not a clan it's just a name. And since Sasuke was either 6 or 7 (can't remember) when the clan died, It's not like HE would know their full history. And let's not forget the LEAF ORDERED UCHIHA ELIMINATED. So just like all the shinobi were ORDERED not to talk about Naruto being the Kyuubi, i'm sure there were orders about the Uchiha since the elders wanted them GONE FROM THE LEAF.

ROFL. Did I just read that? Another theory about how the Leaf were ordered to keep quiet about the Uchiha massacre?

Btw, if a single person is still alive from the clan, the clan cannot be considered extinct. Learn something and then post. Here, I'll provide a definition just incase you try to throw another one of your crazy theories at me:

The moment of extinction is generally considered to be the death of the last individual of the species.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Lol, this is hilarious. Why do you keep using the "it was a gossip" as an argument. It's pretty desperate.

First of all, Kakashi said Hyuga were the oldest clan from the Leaf Village. If Uchiha were the oldest, he would have mentioned the Uchiha as they were clearly known throughout the village.

Keep labeling quotes directly from the manga as gossip and a "theory" because your last post contained nothing but your "theories". To think you would use theories to counter my arguments and facts that I've provided straight from the manga.

Second, you are STILL ignoring the fact that Kakashi said Uchiha's origin is with Hyuga clan. You're claiming what Kakashi said was incorrect mainly because people went around saying whatever they wanted because no one was there to correct them. What makes you so sure that Uchiha's are the "lore keepers"? Another one of your theories, right? Seems pretty far-fetched lmfao.

And Kakashi was a jonin when the Uchiha massacre happened. It wasn't too long before the manga started, only 5 years prior to the start of Naruto.

My reasons listed were direct references to "look what he said" which i will list again for you since you seem to forget that i offered you proof first DIRECTLY FROM THE MANGA. THEN i offered VERY LIKELY theories that have PRECEDENT IN THE VILLAGE after you REFUSED THE OBVIOUS!!!

Kakashi said "THEY SAY" they share an origin,that is WORD OF MOUTH!!! He said "THEY ARE" the oldest clan THATS PRESENT TENSE!!!! AFTER THE UCHIHA CLAN HAS BEEN IRRADICATED AT THE ORDER OF THE VILLAGE ELDERS!!! They wanted the Uchiha clan gone so they made Itachi a Missing-Nin and probably ordered the Jounin never to speak of it again like they did with Naruto and the Kyuubi.
Lore Keepers? Clans keep their OWN histories. THATS FACT!!! This is documented Japanese culture! Not to mention Madara mentioned "records kept by the Uchiha clan" such as the stone tablet passed down from SO6P......... I DON'T make shit up......

And please explain how "my last post was all theories". Cenematic tools are theories? Sepia in flashbacks is a theory? Funny they shouldn't teach theory as a tool in film class..... A lot of tests will be wrong.....

And how about this for a definition of extinct?? NO LONGER A PART OF THE VILLAGE. As in "extinct" from the villages list of clans.....

 

[laxus]

Kakashi said "THEY SAY" they share an origin,that is WORD OF MOUTH!!! He said "THEY ARE" the oldest clan THATS PRESENT TENSE!!!! AFTER THE UCHIHA CLAN HAS BEEN IRRADICATED AT THE ORDER OF THE VILLAGE ELDERS!!! They wanted the Uchiha clan gone so they made Itachi a Missing-Nin and probably ordered the Jounin never to speak of it again like they did with Naruto and the Kyuubi.
Lore Keepers? Clans keep their OWN histories. THATS FACT!!! This is documented Japanese culture! Not to mention Madara mentioned "records kept by the Uchiha clan" such as the stone tablet passed down from SO6P......... I DON'T make shit up......

And how about this for a definition of extinct?? NO LONGER A PART OF THE VILLAGE. As in "extinct" from the villages list of clans.....

another flaw no one knew of the incident beside the elder's eeryone else like kakashi still thought the uchiha were good so they will mention about them.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

another flaw no one knew of the incident beside the elder's eeryone else like kakashi still thought the uchiha were good so they will mention about them.

I already addressed that......
Itachi is the Leafs worst criminal so an order from the elders to not speak about it would not seem strange. but thats not even the MAIN point!
They WEREN'T A CLAN ANYMORE!!! Every time it's spoken of they say THE "ENTIRE CLAN WAS ERADICATED". Sakura Haruno is NEVER spoken of as being from the Haruno clan. And they don't count the Uzumaki clan as a leaf clan! Naruto and Sasuke can't make up a mentionable clan by themselves. They can carry the name in hopes of restoring it like Sasuke does but thats all......

And i'm sure Kakashi knew they were all suspected in the Kyuubi attack.... We don't know if he thought they were good or not.

 

[Inception]

My reasons listed were direct references to "look what he said" which i will list again for you since you seem to forget that i offered you proof first DIRECTLY FROM THE MANGA. THEN i offered VERY LIKELY theories that have PRECEDENT IN THE VILLAGE after you REFUSED THE OBVIOUS!!!

Kakashi said "THEY SAY" they share an origin,that is WORD OF MOUTH!!! He said "THEY ARE" the oldest clan THATS PRESENT TENSE!!!! AFTER THE UCHIHA CLAN HAS BEEN IRRADICATED AT THE ORDER OF THE VILLAGE ELDERS!!! They wanted the Uchiha clan gone so they made Itachi a Missing-Nin and probably ordered the Jounin never to speak of it again like they did with Naruto and the Kyuubi.
Lore Keepers? Clans keep their OWN histories. THATS FACT!!! This is documented Japanese culture! Not to mention Madara mentioned "records kept by the Uchiha clan" such as the stone tablet passed down from SO6P......... I DON'T make shit up......

And please explain how "my last post was all theories". Cenematic tools are theories? Sepia in flashbacks is a theory? Funny they shouldn't teach theory as a tool in film class..... A lot of tests will be wrong.....

And how about this for a definition of extinct?? NO LONGER A PART OF THE VILLAGE. As in "extinct" from the villages list of clans.....

The moment of extinction is generally considered to be the death of the last individual of the species.

And about "they say" part. Tobi is going around telling everyone about "legends". I suppose you know they are real as compared to what Kakashi stated.

Just read my last post.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

And about "they say" part. Tobi is going around telling everyone about "legends". I suppose you know they are real as compared to what Kakashi stated.

Just read my last post.

Two things:

1) learn how point/counterpoint works. If you state something as fact its my job on counterpoint to show how its truth is questionable. Kakashi's "they say" statement would be inadmissable in ANY court. Especially since if he KNEW the statement to be true, why wouldn't he say "they are" like he did with them being the oldest clan? I'm not saying Kakashi is wrong i'm saying that YOU QUOTING HIM AS FACT IS WRONG since that statement is blatantly subject to question of accuracy.

2) I don't claim to KNOW anything about the manga except what Kishi has written. If you read other threads where i comment I have pointed out before that Madara's statements have to be taken with a grain of salt AND may prove to be untrue when Kishi decides to reveal more but UNTIL THEN we ALL debate operating on the assumption that they are true since if IF HE IS LYING HIS WHOLE PLAN WOULD PROBLY BE A WASTE OF TIME.

And get over the EXTINCT comment.. PRACTICALLY EXTINCT......Better???

 

[Inception]

Two things:

1) learn how point/counterpoint works. If you state something as fact its my job on counterpoint to show how its truth is questionable. Kakashi's "they say" statement would be inadmissable in ANY court. Especially since if he KNEW the statement to be true, why wouldn't he say "they are" like he did with them being the oldest clan? I'm not saying Kakashi is wrong i'm saying that YOU QUOTING HIM AS FACT IS WRONG since that statement is blatantly subject to question of accuracy.

2) I don't claim to KNOW anything about the manga except what Kishi has written. If you read other threads where i comment I have pointed out before that Madara's statements have to be taken with a grain of salt AND may prove to be untrue when Kishi decides to reveal more but UNTIL THEN we ALL debate operating on the assumption that they are true since if IF HE IS LYING HIS WHOLE PLAN WOULD PROBLY BE A WASTE OF TIME.

And get over the EXTINCT comment.. PRACTICALLY EXTINCT......Better???

No, what you're doing is trying to use your theories to defend against arguments that I provide with manga references.

You're saying Kakashi is wrong because he's said "they say" part. Fair enough. Isn't Tobi doing the same? Using an old fairy tale of So6P to further his goal for power? The context is accurately put into the manga and it's clear what Kakashi meant. He said Hyuga is the oldest clan in Leaf. I'm saying this is exactly what he meant. You're assuming he meant oldest after the Uchiha clan massacre. No one is questioning the accuracy of this quote except you. Why? Because this goes against your "perfect" theory. You also created some crazy theories to help your argument by stating that the citizens were not allowed to speak of the Uchiha clan which is plain bullshit.

About the Hyuga and Uchiha lineage and origin. You just keep dodging that question. You seem to acknowledge the part about Kishi writting the manga. Well, do you realize that he wrote those two quotes for a reason?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

No, what you're doing is trying to use your theories to defend against arguments that I provide with manga references.

You're saying Kakashi is wrong because he's said "they say" part. Fair enough. Isn't Tobi doing the same? Using an old fairy tale of So6P to further his goal for power? The context is accurately put into the manga and it's clear what Kakashi meant. He said Hyuga is the oldest clan in Leaf. I'm saying this is exactly what he meant. You're assuming he meant oldest after the Uchiha clan massacre. No one is questioning the accuracy of this quote except you. Why? Because this goes against your "perfect" theory. You also created some crazy theories to help your argument by stating that the citizens were not allowed to speak of the Uchiha clan which is plain bullshit.

About the Hyuga and Uchiha lineage and origin. You just keep dodging that question. You seem to acknowledge the part about Kishi writting the manga. Well, do you realize that he wrote those two quotes for a reason?

udk what kakashi ment dude its a freaking manga stop defending the manga is jst freaking pages and chapters dont need to take it to the butt its up to kishi what kakashi meant and the hyugan clan is not that important in the manga atm

 

[Inception]

udk what kakashi ment dude its a freaking manga stop defending the manga is jst freaking pages and chapters dont need to take it to the butt its up to kishi what kakashi meant and the hyugan clan is not that important in the manga atm

Why don't you tell your boyfriend over there to stop instead of targeting me? I'm only defending what I posted.