Itachi and Nagato CANT be compared...

[Inception]

are you corrupted and also i bet you think since orochimaru smart he used the first and second well against the third.
so you really think someone controlling you is better than using an experience user who knows his own abilties the best.
what happened in the manga shishu genjutsu which saved itachi and it took 3 srank ninja to take down a controlled edo tensa rinnegan user.
the last time i checked it took tailed beast bomb super powered rasen shuriken and itachi own long range tech of susanno to stop chikabi tensa.

as much as you want to say that a 3vs1 macth shows itachi is better than nagato, it's not a good way to support itachi.
lol:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Laugh it up. You need to read what I say before assuming shit. No, I don't think it's better if someone is controlling someone else UNLESS that someone who is controlling you is 3x smarter than you. In Nagato's case, Kabuto is beyond his intellectual level so yes, Kabuto is the better candidate to fight vs. Itachi. 2nd: Nagato has little to no experience fighting in his own body with all 6 realms. He was synced with Gedo long ago when he fought Hanzo. Have you seen his fight with Naruto? He had a tough time keeping up with Sage Mode Naruto in the 6 Paths mode. Kabuto knew what he was doing, he used Nagato and managed to capture both Naruto and Bee. Itachi is the one who defeated Nagato.

It wasn't 3 vs 1. Naruto and Bee were clearly deadweights. Itachi did the beating, he found Nagato's Rinnegan's weakness (for those who are saying Rinnegan is the ultimate Dojutsu, rofl), he found Chibaku Tensei's weakness and he could have very well destroyed it himself as it was obvious that he was confident in his ability to beat it.

Keep using that "3 vs. 1" excuse, it amuses me. Facts will remain facts.

 

[chickmagnet]

Laugh it up. You need to read what I say before assuming shit. No, I don't think it's better if someone is controlling someone else UNLESS that someone who is controlling you is 3x smarter than you. In Nagato's case, Kabuto is beyond his intellectual level so yes, Kabuto is the better candidate to fight vs. Itachi. 2nd: Nagato has little to no experience fighting in his own body with all 6 realms. He was synced with Gedo long ago when he fought Hanzo. Have you seen his fight with Naruto? He had a tough time keeping up with Sage Mode Naruto in the 6 Paths mode. Kabuto knew what he was doing, he used Nagato and managed to capture both Naruto and Bee. Itachi is the one who defeated Nagato.

It wasn't 3 vs 1. Naruto and Bee were clearly deadweights. Itachi did the beating, he found Nagato's Rinnegan's weakness (for those who are saying Rinnegan is the ultimate Dojutsu, rofl), he found Chibaku Tensei's weakness and he could have very well destroyed it himself as it was obvious that he was confident in his ability to beat it.

Keep using that "3 vs. 1" excuse, it amuses me. Facts will remain facts.

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no way itachi's attack alone can handle that and plus we have seen alone how strong bee is and he basically killed susake twice who supposedly surpassed itachi after his death and naruto should be stronger than him use logic itachi is smart and all but it was a team effort and the dust helped him seal plus theres no way pain would lose 2 itachi if u really think coz he already knows all his tecs last i check kabuto is not nagato

 

[ReLax -]

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no way itachi's attack alone can handle that and plus we have seen alone how strong bee is and he basically killed susake twice who supposedly surpassed itachi after his death and naruto should be stronger than him use logic itachi is smart and all but it was a team effort and the dust helped him seal plus theres no way pain would lose 2 itachi if u really think coz he already knows all his tecs last i check kabuto is not nagato

No.

Sasauke didn't surpass Itachi. With his EMS he obviously will but MS wise he wasn't near him (Itachi) still, so don't know where your getting that info from.

As far as Itachi attack a lone goes, it's all assumptions. The fact is we don't know if his attack a lone can do that. It's only common sense that since he had Naruto and Bee there, they would attack together to get the best result (in other words he had them in his arsenal). If you had the answer for a test in front of you are you going to write that answer down or take a guess you and get it wrong?

 

[chickmagnet]

No.

Sasauke didn't surpass Itachi. With his EMS he obviously will but MS wise he wasn't near him (Itachi) still, so don't know where your getting that info from.

As far as Itachi attack a lone goes, it's all assumptions. The fact is we don't know if his attack a lone can do that. It's only common sense that since he had Naruto and Bee there, they would attack together to get the best result (in other words he had them in his arsenal). If you had the answer for a test in front of you are you going to write that answer down or take a guess you and get it wrong?

so basically u gonna go wit that the rinnegan is not greater than the shariangan which im sure it can do anything the shariangan can and more i mean the thing can basically do anything it even has control over life and death which is a pretty big thing and plus nagato was strong wit it but i doubt he fully developed it coz supposedly have control over yin and yang which is also another very big thing

 

[ReLax -]

so basically u gonna go wit that the rinnegan is not greater than the shariangan which im sure it can do anything the shariangan can and more i mean the thing can basically do anything it even has control over life and death which is a pretty big thing and plus nagato was strong wit it but i doubt he fully developed it coz supposedly have control over yin and yang which is also another very big thing

I didn't imply that the Rinnegan is weaker to the Sharingan but I said MS Sasuke was not near MS Itachi's level. EMS Sasuke can surpass MS Itachi.

The attack was also assumption, all I'm saying is, it wasn't stated one attack couldn't/could take out Nagato's attack but Itachi had Naruto/Bee in his arsenal why not use there strength to get the best result.

As far as this battle goes, it's going to be just assumptions from everyone.

 

[laxus]

Laugh it up. You need to read what I say before assuming shit. No, I don't think it's better if someone is controlling someone else UNLESS that someone who is controlling you is 3x smarter than you. In Nagato's case, Kabuto is beyond his intellectual level so yes, Kabuto is the better candidate to fight vs. Itachi. 2nd: Nagato has little to no experience fighting in his own body with all 6 realms. He was synced with Gedo long ago when he fought Hanzo. Have you seen his fight with Naruto? He had a tough time keeping up with Sage Mode Naruto in the 6 Paths mode. Kabuto knew what he was doing, he used Nagato and managed to capture both Naruto and Bee. Itachi is the one who defeated Nagato.

It wasn't 3 vs 1. Naruto and Bee were clearly deadweights. Itachi did the beating, he found Nagato's Rinnegan's weakness (for those who are saying Rinnegan is the ultimate Dojutsu, rofl), he found Chibaku Tensei's weakness and he could have very well destroyed it himself as it was obvious that he was confident in his ability to beat it.

Keep using that "3 vs. 1" excuse, it amuses me. Facts will remain facts.

really a nagato with experience of his own taking down top ninja and a tailed beast is better being controlled by kabuto.
well i guess itachi is better being controlled by kabuto too unless you think itachi smarter than him= don't get me wrong itachi smart but not as smart as kabuto but in your logic itachi is better being an edo tensai being controlled
lol

nagato not smart well look at his devastation plan with konoha confusing the enemy but i guess he's not smart to you.

itachi is the one who had helped from 2 jinchurriki alright.

ok well hitting the enemy blindspot while having 2 people fighting nagato is itachi by himself?
again it took a eight tailed beast bomb with an ultra powered rasen shuriken with a long ranged susanno attack.

ok 3 vs 1 and the one being hadicapped is actually putting a fight with 3 srank ninja is an excuse
well to your logic i guess michael jordan vs lebron james,dwayne wade and dwight howard will mean that since michael jordan(obvious he'll lose but will be putting up a fight) will lose to the one that scored the last point is the winner beating jordan
lol

 

[arv993]

are u guys serious just cos its a 3v1 it means itachi is weaker for the majority of the battle naruto and bee were useless and did not do anything to actually kill him but once itachi entered things changed. I acknowledge them attacking the chibaku tensei but why would itachi not get help from others when they are right there it would be extremely foolish to just attacking it by himself. But however a fight 1v1 would never turn out like that cos there are no distractions for either sides itachi has genjutsu like tsukiyomi, which can affect him he is pretty much done ans he can also defend against any attack that nagato throws at him and the guy has little to no mobility thus avoiding the sword is unlikely. Nagato's has a shot would be chibaku tensei, shinra tensei and summons but in a 1v1 fight itachi can use things like his speed against him to get himwith his sword or use genjutsu to get him and seal him. Nagato does have his chances to win but ppl who say weak arguments like itachi had no chance in a 1v1 fight is only making assumptions. And one of the guys said bee beat sasuke and since sasuke is surpassed itachi(not proven yet but likely though) so he would not stand a chance against nagato, like to be real with u dude do you read the manga that was way back b4 he had his susano, arrows and amaterasu(which he gained later on in the fight) and the guy did not have ems while itachi had susano with yata and sword, amaterasu and a much better genjutsu techs like tsukiyomi and back then either so your argument is totally invalid. Nagato and itachi are pretty much the best of their generation(not talking about naruto's age group) they are both good one is not much superior to the other and would not own the other but only have an edge and Imo itachi takes it for having considerable skill and being one of the most tactical ninja out there like the 4th.

 

[abubakarmehta]

Nagato is more stronger than itachi because nagato have more chakras and jutsus.Itachi is not strong anymore.

 

[vinsence]

Laugh it up. You need to read what I say before assuming shit. No, I don't think it's better if someone is controlling someone else UNLESS that someone who is controlling you is 3x smarter than you. In Nagato's case, Kabuto is beyond his intellectual level so yes, Kabuto is the better candidate to fight vs. Itachi. 2nd: Nagato has little to no experience fighting in his own body with all 6 realms. He was synced with Gedo long ago when he fought Hanzo. Have you seen his fight with Naruto? He had a tough time keeping up with Sage Mode Naruto in the 6 Paths mode. Kabuto knew what he was doing, he used Nagato and managed to capture both Naruto and Bee. Itachi is the one who defeated Nagato.

It wasn't 3 vs 1. Naruto and Bee were clearly deadweights. Itachi did the beating, he found Nagato's Rinnegan's weakness (for those who are saying Rinnegan is the ultimate Dojutsu, rofl), he found Chibaku Tensei's weakness and he could have very well destroyed it himself as it was obvious that he was confident in his ability to beat it.

Keep using that "3 vs. 1" excuse, it amuses me. Facts will remain facts.

Yes unless that controller who is smarter then you accept when it comes to fighting. Kabuto has many times mentioned he is not much of a brawler. With all that Zetsu can do yet he loose to every one and he is not dumb he just not a good fighter. Every one that kabuto used did better when they were alive and not controlled. Every single fight they showed any of them that we got to see in life before they died was better fighters. Just being smart does not make you a good fighter. If it was that simple then football players would have horror stories about the nerds in school beating them up instead of the other way around. Not to mention Nagato would know his own abilities far better then some one who is just learning them in battle. And tell me were did you get the info that Nagato does not know how to fight in his body? I don’t see any proof of this at all not even a little.

Yes I did see Naruto fight with the 6 paths if I remember correctly Pain defected him looked like he killed Hinata the Naruto went in beat mode. Almost full beast. This is all with Naruto having help with toads and toads explaining the fight to him. Plus Pain was there to capture him alive. Oh but I guess you missed all that just like you missed how it took all 3 to break Pain ability. Lets not for get when Itachi finally sealed Pain Pain had temporary control again and did not even try to fight. But I guess details don’t mean any thing at all huh. In that case Itachi is weaker then is brother because he lost and Sasuake is weaker then Kakashi because we are not going to look at any common since or detail we are just going to say this person won and this person lost and be retarted.
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[David1996]

You can say whatever you want to say, the fact remains... Nagato is stronger than Itachi fan boys.

 

[Avani]

I didn't imply that the Rinnegan is weaker to the Sharingan but I said MS Sasuke was not near MS Itachi's level. EMS Sasuke can surpass MS Itachi.

The attack was also assumption, all I'm saying is, it wasn't stated one attack couldn't/could take out Nagato's attack but Itachi had Naruto/Bee in his arsenal why not use there strength to get the best result.

As far as this battle goes, it's going to be just assumptions from everyone.

Hell, Madara had both in his possesion Itachi's MS and Rinnegan .. besides his own.. Nobody knows more about these powers than him. We saw that he chose to put one of each in his eye sockets- he couldn't make up his mind and he wanted both.. why are people arguing over it? ..lol

 

[chickmagnet]

really a nagato with experience of his own taking down top ninja and a tailed beast is better being controlled by kabuto.
well i guess itachi is better being controlled by kabuto too unless you think itachi smarter than him= don't get me wrong itachi smart but not as smart as kabuto but in your logic itachi is better being an edo tensai being controlled
lol

nagato not smart well look at his devastation plan with konoha confusing the enemy but i guess he's not smart to you.

itachi is the one who had helped from 2 jinchurriki alright.

ok well hitting the enemy blindspot while having 2 people fighting nagato is itachi by himself?
again it took a eight tailed beast bomb with an ultra powered rasen shuriken with a long ranged susanno attack.

ok 3 vs 1 and the one being hadicapped is actually putting a fight with 3 srank ninja is an excuse
well to your logic i guess michael jordan vs lebron james,dwayne wade and dwight howard will mean that since michael jordan(obvious he'll lose but will be putting up a fight) will lose to the one that scored the last point is the winner beating jordan
lol

lol he was double handicapped lol coz he was also still crippled just stronger

 

[Izanami]

Nagato crippled is stronger then itachi that is the truth

 

[ackeem1992]

I think you two may be a bit blind. It was in the recent manga where he found Nagato's 6 Path's weakness AND the weakness of Chibaku Tensei AND managed to seal him, all in just seconds. This is from someone who has never fought a Rinnegan user. To say that Nagato is "above" Itachi is just ridiculous.

You know what's really funny? Kabuto was in control of Nagato, Kabuto is more intelligent than Nagato, he even utilized Nagato's skill in a way to capture both Naruto and Bee at the same time. Do not give me the "Nagato is stronger with a mind of his own" bullshit. Kabuto clearly stated that Itachi is far above their level.

You can keep denying what already happened in the manga. Your opinion will not change facts.

And now you'll probably say I'm a fanboy. What does that make you?



The above sentence is the best in the whole thread. Simple and comprehensive for even the ten year olds.

really have no intention on arguing on this topic again this was already settled in the itachi vs nagato thread so i'm out.

 

[ReLax -]

Hell, Madara had both in his possesion Itachi's MS and Rinnegan .. besides his own.. Nobody knows more about these powers than him. We saw that he chose to put one of each in his eye sockets- he couldn't make up his mind and he wanted both.. why are people arguing over it? ..lol

Watch out on what you say, people may assume you are trying to say Sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan

A weapon/tech. (eye, jutsu, etc) is only good the way some uses/wields it.

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for people who think Nagato/Pein never got defeated, manga states otherwise

Itachi is the one who had helped from 2 jinchurriki alright.

ok well hitting the enemy blindspot while having 2 people fighting nagato is itachi by himself?
again it took a eight tailed beast bomb with an ultra powered rasen shuriken with a long ranged susanno attack.

ok 3 vs 1 and the one being hadicapped is actually putting a fight with 3 srank ninja is an excuse
well to your logic i guess michael jordan vs lebron james,dwayne wade and dwight howard will mean that since michael jordan(obvious he'll lose but will be putting up a fight) will lose to the one that scored the last point is the winner beating jordan
lol

Did anyone actually read the manga? Itachi was under Shisui genjutsu (Koto), if you have forgotten. His job was to protect the village, Naruto and Bee attacked Nagato and were about to get owned until Itachi grabbed them with his Susano'o, Nagato used his tech. and Naruto spoke a little about it, Itachi was able to come up with the weakness in seconds (I never see him get credit for this, one of the strongest tech, he caught the weakness in SECONDS!).

Anyways after that, Itachi told Naruto/Bee to throw there strongest long range attack, why wouldn't he tell them, I mean their in his arsenal, so why waste time, when you can get a better result? That leading to Nagato being sealed. Nagato was crippled but it only effect his mobility, nor strength or stamina, as far as I know. Either way it's either going to be called a 3V1, Nagato being Edo/crippled, or Kabuto controlling him. I rather find this funny the fact, Itachi had a disease and everyone argued over it as an excuse for Itachi fan but now Nagato fans have the excuse of Nagato being crippled.

I'll add to your logic, it was more like this, Wade and Bosh were on the bench, while James faced off against Jordan. Wade/Bosh both having an assist to their name, while James pulled a victory/succeed in the game/match.

 

[chickmagnet]

Watch out on what you say, people may assume you are trying to say Sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan

A weapon/tech. (eye, jutsu, etc) is only good the way some uses/wields it.

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for people who think Nagato/Pein never got defeated, manga states otherwise



Did anyone actually read the manga? Itachi was under Shisui genjutsu (Koto), if you have forgotten. His job was to protect the village, Naruto and Bee attacked Nagato and were about to get owned until Itachi grabbed them with his Susano'o, Nagato used his tech. and Naruto spoke a little about it, Itachi was able to come up with the weakness in seconds (I never see him get credit for this, one of the strongest tech, he caught the weakness in SECONDS!).

Anyways after that, Itachi told Naruto/Bee to throw there strongest long range attack, why wouldn't he tell them, I mean their in his arsenal, so why waste time, when you can get a better result? That leading to Nagato being sealed. Nagato was crippled but it only effect his mobility, nor strength or stamina, as far as I know. Either way it's either going to be called a 3V1, Nagato being Edo/crippled, or Kabuto controlling him. I rather find this funny the fact, Itachi had a disease and everyone argued over it as an excuse for Itachi fan but now Nagato fans have the excuse of Nagato being crippled.

I'll add to your logic, it was more like this, Wade and Bosh were on the bench, while James faced off against Jordan. Wade/Bosh both having an assist to their name, while James pulled a victory/succeed in the game/match.

lol its not an excuse kabuto states that mobility is his big issue

 

[Itachi22]

well i would have to diagree because kabuto and oro both went looking for the body of the 4th and the only thing that prevented it was the fact that his soul was with the death god.

 

[arv993]

lol its not an excuse kabuto states that mobility is his big issue

so what that is his weakness every1 has them like how itachi has lower chakra and his eyes hurt when he uses MS techs you can't take away factors like that so what you're saying is no excuse either.

 

[laxus]

Watch out on what you say, people may assume you are trying to say Sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan

A weapon/tech. (eye, jutsu, etc) is only good the way some uses/wields it.

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for people who think Nagato/Pein never got defeated, manga states otherwise



Did anyone actually read the manga? Itachi was under Shisui genjutsu (Koto), if you have forgotten. His job was to protect the village, Naruto and Bee attacked Nagato and were about to get owned until Itachi grabbed them with his Susano'o, Nagato used his tech. and Naruto spoke a little about it, Itachi was able to come up with the weakness in seconds (I never see him get credit for this, one of the strongest tech, he caught the weakness in SECONDS!).

Anyways after that, Itachi told Naruto/Bee to throw there strongest long range attack, why wouldn't he tell them, I mean their in his arsenal, so why waste time, when you can get a better result? That leading to Nagato being sealed. Nagato was crippled but it only effect his mobility, nor strength or stamina, as far as I know. Either way it's either going to be called a 3V1, Nagato being Edo/crippled, or Kabuto controlling him. I rather find this funny the fact, Itachi had a disease and everyone argued over it as an excuse for Itachi fan but now Nagato fans have the excuse of Nagato being crippled.

I'll add to your logic, it was more like this, Wade and Bosh were on the bench, while James faced off against Jordan. Wade/Bosh both having an assist to their name, while James pulled a victory/succeed in the game/match.

look your not actually proving anything because itachi had the help of 2 jinchurriki to do what he did alright
im sorry but you should atleast figure out that his susanno long range attack is not going to take down that dense ball but with tailed beast level strength and a susanno long range it can stop the jutsu

nagato has flight it wouldn't matter if he was crippled because of his gravity and animal summons.

i didn't bring up nagato lackof mobility
but just look at this a sick nagato or a crippled itachi who would you chose

atleast itachi has good mobility which his sickness was affecting him in but nagato mobility has been affected severly

 

[arv993]

look your not actually proving anything because itachi had the help of 2 jinchurriki to do what he did alright
im sorry but you should atleast figure out that his susanno long range attack is not going to take down that dense ball but with tailed beast level strength and a susanno long range it can stop the jutsu

nagato has flight it wouldn't matter if he was crippled because of his gravity and animal summons.

i didn't bring up nagato lackof mobility
but just look at this a sick nagato or a crippled itachi who would you chose

atleast itachi has good mobility which his sickness was affecting him in but nagato mobility has been affected severly

nagato's mobility is his weakness don't use it as an excuse he just does not have that much speed or movements but however is strong, stop using mobility as an excuse its something he lacks, ppl are not crying over itachi's eye degrading when he uses it and how it affects his stamina should ppl blame itachi's stamina and wish he had more no, there are certain things characters are weak in and for nagato its mobility and he is not sick did u not see what kishi said he is "complete" not sick and useless. and ur saying summons are gonna stop itachi one amaterasu and they were down not to mention itachi's techs are faster like sword of totsuka and also has the option of genjutsu like tsukiyomi but nagato also does have a godd shot at this cos of chibaku tensei, shinra tensei but itachi is more tactical than nagato giving him the slight edge.