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Did Madara lose, is just an assumption, from all fans. He could have lost or won, we don't know the truth unless shown. We didn't even know, Madara exist, but yet he did, we didn't know he was resonsbile for the Kyuubi attack but yet he was (we were shown these). So, did the 1st really win? We don't know, and it is safe to assume that if the Madara was a former shell so was the first from this battle, now you are overhyping the 1st like if he took Madara out with ease. As far as, we heard the myth goes the 1st bested Madara, but is the myth really true? We have not heard personally from Hashirama, "I've killed/defeated Madara." but heard the myth from other people who were born 50-100 years after that battle. If we see Tobi a live and the 1st dead (we also see Tobi with the 1st body), as an assumption he outsmarted Hashirama, or there is a missing piece in the puzzle. Minato outsmarted Tobi, but remember this Tobi was fighting to just suck him into his S-T diemension thing, with his Sharingan and controlling the Kyuubi at the same time.
that was just a sentence fragment man.xd just to show what the bais
agree-rs basicly sayin
The point is Madara never said that he won but clearly said that he lost.
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He might had different intention for battle but it was stated that he became an Avenger and chalenged Hashirama. Madara also said that even Hashirama was convenced that Madara died. So let me paraphase that for you Madara challenged Hashirama, He lost the fight, so bad that the 1st thought he died.
We might havn't seen it but Madara strait out said it to the fact that he lost but didnt die. He might have gaind the 1st DNA but he had to loose most of his former self in the prosses; becoming a shell of his former self. He needed the DNA to survive the outcome of tha emence battle. Thats the whole point. enouph said on that topic.U_U
Just No. I don't even want to get started with this
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great choice not to. Way to cut your losses on that topic.
Tobi, didn't say Itachi, would beat him but he said if Itachi knew about his abilities, the same thing Pein said about Jiriaya than Tobi would have been dead. Go look up after Itachi VS Sasuke battle, when Tobi is speaking with Sasuke, he mentioned it there.
Flaw; you are swoping out words to make your point. Here, let me show you
Madara gave him creadit for his peperation. he then saids that he was fortunet that Itachi didnt no all of his abillities and that """ if I hadn't, I'd be dead right now""" .
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put your glasses on. lol
He never said Itachi could win against, but that his secret stoped him from dying at that instant from that sudden suprise by him and shows just how perpared Madara is (all the time). Nagato clearly stated that he would be defeated (in a battle) if J man new his techs. The point, my friend, is that Madara never said it or in a battle with Itachi, he would loss. That wasnt Itachi but his rigged up amaterasu.
We haven't seen the full Madara or Hashirama and you indicate.
Your right but Madara said they both were the strongest at that time.
Nagato was under Edo, also that he was crippled so he haven't seen his full potential, but are you forgetting, Itachi was suffering from a disease which has nothing to do with his eyes, you can't take pills to prolong your life and life can't be taken from losing your sight
I'm not quite getting what point you are trying to make here but It was clear in my post that If you go look at the Itachi vs "Nagato thread", it says that Both are healthy. Healthy or sick/half pass dead(Nagato) Nagat would win. Why? Go look at the thread.... It will tell you
A weakend Itachi was stated by Kabuto, that he was on another level compared to the rest (he could be speaking of Edo or overall, don't know but that will be assumption by others). Tobi indicated after Itachi's death, "My biggest problem is out of the way." Self explanatory, Itachi is someone on a whole new level is he beyond Nagato? Tobi/Madara? Hashirama? Minato level? That will all just be assumtion from a fans, point of view.
Kabuto did say that, But Itachi underminded that by saying that he never imagined that shushi's eye would be used in that situation. Remenber it was given to him, not taken and then given to Naruto to stop Sasuke. Im sure Kabuto was overwelmed by that
""""unexpected""""revealing of shisu's powerful Koto. Being the biggest problem for Madara dosnt mean anything but the fact Itachi was a great shinobi. If Minato was alive he would be a big threat to. Itachi said " we both were being use by Madara" so we could assume that Itachi didnt no everything about Madara'a endgame.
I never said that Minato was on Hashirama's level. The guy posted the thread was dog baggin on all other great shnobi like Madara Minato the 1st even the the 3rd- Harizen. That was baiest. Its not clear if Madara was trying to keep Minato occupide from him stopping the 9 tails rampage, of wanting to kill Minato to eliminate him cus he was a threat to his plans or both, but what
was clear is that he failed in both categories. (and We can assume the latter). That would then show how much of a threat the Fourth was for his goals.
Nagato And Madara was really close in the Akatsuki. Madara knows all a bout the rinnagan an even said he gave it to him. Like Naruto said, Madara Used His Hate, He is the all-time hate manipulater. Itachi new Madara; might of even new that he had some divious plan in the shadows(like minato), but he wasnt close in the circle, and why,Im assuming, is the fact that Itachi goal was to protect Konoha and for that, had Kisume watching him.
I don't want to even get involved in this, reply.
There is no 100% gurantee if they were talking about Jiriaya of if they weren't, so quit thinking your right on this. Kisame and Itachi spoke of he/him being able to kill both of them but after that Kisame states, "Isn't his care taker the legendary Sannin Jiriaya?" so, everyone is just assuming who there are talking about, but after they fled Kisame asked Itachi was retreat nesscary, so read the mang clearly please. I'm not saying they aren't talking about Jiriaya but also doesn't mean they were.
Didnt I point out that that was simply a theary. My theary. Im not goin to get in this but I will just say this...
Itacht sacrificed for his village to portect it. Madara and himself said it. TAI U_U
and I It is clear that
you didn't read the manga correctly cus if you would use analytical thinking, the you would know that the ony sunnin around him was J man/ not the other two. In the Manga qute, fight they were talking about was with J man an the 9 tails. It was clear they were. And Kisamas last qut was a question potaining to the capture of the 9 tails. then Itachi replyed by saying that won't be a threat for now.
He did turn out to be bias, not disagreeing with that but your entire statement is no better and bias in many ways.
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I might have cam off a lil bit strong but all my point a mst accurate, factual, and true. and I'v re-provin it thanks to your argument. The I wont call
then bais; will say that you said what the thead post said in more of an well put arugument. but failed. "End_Credit".U_U
