Q/S: Chakra Theory

Would you support/take a Chakra Theory class?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 58.8%
  • No

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  • Maybe

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KeotsuEclipse

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Hey, look, another RP Suggestion! Who would have thought?

This is a bit of a farfetched idea at best, and I realize that, but I still feel like I should suggest it.

I've seen a lot of people lately stating that there is a larger delay between using jutsu of different chakra natures compared to using two jutsu of the same nature, one right after the other (excluding handseals and the such).

However...well, this is wrong, and it's become a prominent presence in the RP, at least for what I've seen. People seem to be under the assumption that when they use an elemental jutsu, all of their chakra turns into that nature, thus their idea that there is a delay when using another nature, as they'd have to transform their chakra into that nature.

But, in actuality, you're only turning a set quantity of chakra into that nature: the basis of chakra control. Each jutsu needs a certain amount of chakra - you're going to change the "color" of that glass of water, not the entire reservoir, if I may make such a comparison. We've seen people use different elemental attacks in quick succession, such as Kakashi, which supports the "reservoir" example, and not the notion that there is a delay while you transform your chakra.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm suggesting some kind of Chakra Philosophy class or training, so that things like this become less prominent. If people are better educated about the way things actually are, it could prevent a lot of arguments, make battles flow better, and may smooth a couple of other problems out.

Like I said, I know it's kind of a farfetched idea. Most people are anxious to learn the elements as is, so I doubt they're going to want to take a Philosophy class. But maybe it could be explained to people before they ever even learn their first element, in the form of a stickyed thread, or just a lesson from a Sensei.

Thoughts?

Oh, and credit to my buddy Gin-San, who was discussing this with me.
 
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I agree with you one hundred percent. In all honesty, I had no idea this was an issue at all. Although, I think making people teach what should be common sense may be a bit extreme.

Even the sticky idea may be tough. Consider the vast amount of information about chakra that comes up in the RP. It would be quite the challenge to condense the finer points of chakra control into one thread. :\

Nice thread! ^_^
 

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I disagree. :p

While you may not be turning your entire chakra reserve into that element, your mindset still is focused in a certain manner. If you're using a lightning technique you're focused on making your chakra quick and jagged. If you're using a water technique you're focused on making your chakra smooth and flowing. Changing your focus from quick and jagged to smooth and flowing should take longer than continuing with quick and jagged, as you're already focused on that.

I'm not saying its going to be a huge difference, but there should be some small delay.
 

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Hey, look, another RP Suggestion! Who would have thought?

This is a bit of a farfetched idea at best, and I realize that, but I still feel like I should suggest it.

I've seen a lot of people lately stating that there is a larger delay between using jutsu of different chakra natures compared to using two jutsu of the same nature, one right after the other (excluding handseals and the such).

However...well, this is wrong, and it's become a prominent presence in the RP, at least for what I've seen. People seem to be under the assumption that when they use an elemental jutsu, all of their chakra turns into that nature, thus their idea that there is a delay when using another nature, as they'd have to transform their chakra into that nature.

But, in actuality, you're only turning a set quantity of chakra into that nature: the basis of chakra control. Each jutsu needs a certain amount of chakra - you're going to change the "color" of that glass of water, not the entire reservoir, if I may make such a comparison. We've seen people use different elemental attacks in quick succession, such as Kakashi, which supports the "reservoir" example, and not the notion that there is a delay while you transform your chakra.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm suggesting some kind of Chakra Philosophy class or training, so that things like this become less prominent. If people are better educated about the way things actually are, it could prevent a lot of arguments, make battles flow better, and may smooth a couple of other problems out.

Like I said, I know it's kind of a farfetched idea. Most people are anxious to learn the elements as is, so I doubt they're going to want to take a Philosophy class. But maybe it could be explained to people before they ever even learn their first element, in the form of a stickyed thread, or just a lesson from a Sensei.

Thoughts?

Oh, and credit to my buddy Gin-San, who was discussing this with me.
I nominate Roku as teacher. :|
 

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I completely agree with you my friend. I've been noticing this too lately though I didn't knew it was so generally misinterpreted (as you said).

The only time I saw this was in a fight were Kagustuchi gave his verdict and brought up that idea of "opposite" chakra, which was wrong in my opinion. With this post you've gathered the known fact and clearly demonstrated why it was wrong.

I support the idea of a thread and if the other RP mods feel it could help, I'd gladly work on it with you and Gin.

I disagree. :p

While you may not be turning your entire chakra reserve into that element, your mindset still is focused in a certain manner. If you're using a lightning technique you're focused on making your chakra quick and jagged. If you're using a water technique you're focused on making your chakra smooth and flowing. Changing your focus from quick and jagged to smooth and flowing should take longer than continuing with quick and jagged, as you're already focused on that.

I'm not saying its going to be a huge difference, but there should be some small delay.
What you're saying should apply to all element, not only "opposite" ones since they all require a different mindset. However, we've seen many ninjas in the manga use two elements in quick succession, making it evident that it's possible to quickly react and mold two different chakra.

I stand by what I said about Keotsu's post.

I nominate Roku as teacher. :|
Agreed.
 

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i agree completely alot of what i see in battle is people using 1 element and it becomes repetive so you can beat them probs more easier than using combos i knw im not as experienced as other but it seems the older ppl have totaly diff battle styles to us new people (well some of the and for teacher i would reccomend cali .)
 

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I disagree. :p

While you may not be turning your entire chakra reserve into that element, your mindset still is focused in a certain manner. If you're using a lightning technique you're focused on making your chakra quick and jagged. If you're using a water technique you're focused on making your chakra smooth and flowing. Changing your focus from quick and jagged to smooth and flowing should take longer than continuing with quick and jagged, as you're already focused on that.

I'm not saying its going to be a huge difference, but there should be some small delay.
Well, it goes back into another concept. Let me use Legoes this time. I have a bin of Legos (my neutral chakra reserve) that can change colors, and I want to build a blue block, 4x4. Well, I simply pull out four of those, and make them blue as I make the block.

However, following that, I want to make a 5x3 gold one. I simply take those blocks out, and change their colors.

Moving from one thing to the other, there's not going to be a massive delay - not all my Legos will be blue or gold, only the one's I take out. And if I know the thing I'm wanting to build by memory (since, as far as the RP goes, you learn the jutsu and remember it perfectly from then on out), then there is no delay.

Not sure how good that analogy was. o_o"
I nominate Roku as teacher. :|
xd Why? Picking on Grandpa? O_O
I agree with both Keo and LoK. Also let Cali be the student teacher lol.
xd Again, why?
 

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Well, it goes back into another concept. Let me use Legoes this time. I have a bin of Legos (my neutral chakra reserve) that can change colors, and I want to build a blue block, 4x4. Well, I simply pull out four of those, and make them blue as I make the block.

However, following that, I want to make a 5x3 gold one. I simply take those blocks out, and change their colors.

Moving from one thing to the other, there's not going to be a massive delay - not all my Legos will be blue or gold, only the one's I take out. And if I know the thing I'm wanting to build by memory (since, as far as the RP goes, you learn the jutsu and remember it perfectly from then on out), then there is no delay.

Not sure how good that analogy was. o_o"

xd Why? Picking on Grandpa? O_O


xd Again, why?

Analogy works great, and I agree with it. :p

I think it sort of supports what both of us are saying. When you're looking for blue blocks, you notice blue blocks more easily than others. You might see the other blocks, but you're not registering what color they are. So lets say you build a 4x4 blue object and while you're building that you decide you want to build another 4x4 blue one. There's going to be no delay when you go back to searching for blue blocks because you're already focused on them. But if you wanted to say go from the yellow blocks instead, there's going to be a moments hesitation where you refocus your attention from blue to yellow.

Now in my opinion it would be much easier to change focus from looking for blue to yellow, then say molding chakra from water to lightning. I'm not saying it'll be a huge delay, but there should be a little. Most likely negligible when it comes to battle, but still, if something comes down to a matter of a second it could decide the battle. xd
 

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Well, it goes back into another concept. Let me use Legoes this time. I have a bin of Legos (my neutral chakra reserve) that can change colors, and I want to build a blue block, 4x4. Well, I simply pull out four of those, and make them blue as I make the block.

However, following that, I want to make a 5x3 gold one. I simply take those blocks out, and change their colors.

Moving from one thing to the other, there's not going to be a massive delay - not all my Legos will be blue or gold, only the one's I take out. And if I know the thing I'm wanting to build by memory (since, as far as the RP goes, you learn the jutsu and remember it perfectly from then on out), then there is no delay.

Not sure how good that analogy was. o_o"

xd Why? Picking on Grandpa? O_O


xd Again, why?
Great analogy. o.o

And because Roku would be perfect for the job. xd He just screams "teacher for Chakra Theory". Plus he kinda already teaches something like this with his Kiyoshi Clan. ._.
 

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Agreed. Its weird that people start training in elements when they don't get to learn what chakra is, hows its used, etc etc. Some of the students i trained, i asked that question and they weren't completely sure of what it meant or the basic concepts behind chakra, chakra natures, chakra manipulation, etc etc.

I think it would be necessary to (if its impractical to have it as a training) have a theorical guide for such things, much like izuna's guide for sharingan proper use or his guide for elemental combinations.

U_U
 

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Although I agree with your "theory", there are a few things I'd like to input.

First of all, in that massive bin of legos, you still have to retrieve the legos, whether they be the same color or not. By saying this, I mean that there will always be a slight delay between jutsu due to the simple fact that they are indeed both different jutsu. So, no matter how you look at the legos, you still have to go get them, which is something that people may bring up later on. Partially, this is true. You still must, once again, use the jutsu separately, you can't, for instance, perform hand seals while forming a Chidori. Note, however, that before I said partially right. If you take some green legos (Wind Release) and put them together with some red legos (Fire Release) that you took out with the green legos it will make one, bigger, taller tower. I am referring to Collaboration jutsu, jutsu that combine two separate jutsu to make a large one, larger jutsu. This means there will be no delay as they are one, larger jutsu, While two separate jutsu, no matter the element, will have a delay. I understand what you are saying, however, and that is completely true.

Second, the idea of classes is stupid. Just make a simple "Chakra 101" hread and call it a day.
 

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I think they should just put all the RP aspects together in 1 class. But have different classes. Like veterans that aren't senseis can be the teachers. Like Sharingan users also have issues on the way they RP. Like SYs battle training, just broader. But these are more the theory

What can be taught:
How to use Doujutsu.
Elemental combos
Common RP mistakes
Do's and Don'ts

Stuff like that, that will take away stress and reduce arguements. What can i add to the list?
 
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