[Discussion] H.i.t.l.e.r !!!

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Hitler inadvertently helped about 40-50 percent of the world's population achieve independence. Now before you scream WTF! hear me out. I say inadvertently, that means he did'nt do it on purpose. I'm not saying his regime did not cause genocide etc , no it did. But the truth is, had there not been a world war 2(and world war 1 as well) Europe would have retained its grip on world affairs , i.e colonialism. In all honesty, the event that caused the British, French and the Dutch empires to relinquish their colonies was because world war 2 had left their economies crippled and they could no longer afford to maintain the imperialist ways of their past.

Trouble is, history is always written by the victors so it is possible for impartiality to be lost. The people who bash him the most are the Americans, which is surprising since they were allies of Hitler till just before the outbreak of the world war and they had the least casualties amongst all other nations. Russia(former USSR) has the most moral right to condemn him as they lost some 25 million people in that war and despite what the media says they did 90 percent of the fighting in Europe and were probably the main reason for the 3rd Reich's early demise. Attacking the Soviets was Hitler's biggest mistake, one which cost him his empire.

From what i've read thus far, Hitler's primary concern was the propagation of Germany's national interests . His book 'mein kampf' for anyone interested:

The greater 'living space' he thought the Germans needed was part of the reason he would later be demonized by generations, as this would naturally involve conquering lands belonging to other nations. His motivation was probably the fact that all other industrialized nations of Europe had manoeuvring space in the world and favorable trade with their colonies or as in the case with the USSR and USA due to their massive land masses they had all the living space they would need. But the monopoly that the empires of Europe exerted on countries wishing to trade with their colonies was a huge cause of Hitler's actions. For example, if someone from Germany wished to buy or sell something to India, he would have to negotiate with the British, not the Indians. International free trade agreements were therefore set up after the conquest of Germany by the allies. These platforms and others like the UN, the World Bank and the IMF did not exist prior to WW2.
 
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Hitler inadvertently helped about 40-50 percent of the world's population achieve independence. Now before you scream WTF! hear me out. I say inadvertently, that means he did'nt do it on purpose. I'm not saying his regime did not cause genocide etc , no it did. But the truth is, had there not been a world war 2(and world war 1 as well) Europe would have retained its grip on world affairs , i.e colonialism. In all honesty, the event that caused the British, French and the Dutch empires to relinquish their colonies was because world war 2 had left their economies crippled and they could no longer afford to maintain the imperialist ways of their past.

Trouble is, history is always written by the victors so it is possible for impartiality to be lost. The people who bash him the most are the Americans, which is surprising since they were allies of Hitler till just before the outbreak of the world war and they had the least casualties amongst all other nations. Russia(former USSR) has the most moral right to condemn him as they lost some 25 million people in that war and despite what the media says they did 90 percent of the fighting in Europe and were probably the main reason for the 3rd Reich's early demise. Attacking the Soviets was Hitler's biggest mistake, one which cost him his empire.

From what i've read thus far, Hitler's primary concern was the propagation of Germany's national interests . His book 'mein kampf' for anyone interested:

The greater 'living space' he thought the Germans needed was part of the reason he would later be demonized by generations, as this would naturally involve conquering lands belonging to other nations. His motivation was probably the fact that all other industrialized nations of Europe had manoeuvring space in the world and favorable trade with their colonies or as in the case with the USSR and USA due to their massive land masses they had all the living space they would need. But the monopoly that the empires of Europe exerted on countries wishing to trade with their colonies was a huge cause of Hitler's actions. For example, if someone from Germany wished to buy or sell something to India, he would have to negotiate with the British, not the Indians. International free trade agreements were therefore set up after the conquest of Germany by the allies. These platforms and others like the UN, the World Bank and the IMF did not exist prior to WW2.
damn agreeeeee xd
 

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It's actually quite depressing that, most-likely, had he got into art school, things wouldn't have turned out the way it did.
Yeah that is true...That something like that could have lead to WW2 is kinda...o____O"​

The really disturbing thing, is that most of you think that he just killed Jews, whilst in fact, in the concentration camps, death was brought to homosexuals, Romas, European intellectuals, political prisoners, communists, Catholic priests, Jehovah's witnesses, people with disabilities AND Jews.



WTF? How on earth can you compare a class revolution of workers which ended wrong with a psychopath who conducted experiments on newborns in his concentration camps? Or who wanted to eliminate an entire race? Something is very wrong with the way you were taught history, considering the fact that if not for communist Russia that mourned 20,000,000 people - victims of WW2, whole Europe would still be in the hands of the Nazis.
You act like Hitler personally went to the camps and did the experiments...but other than that I agree.​

Yes, its is partially true. Its because Egyptians are extremely powerful soldiers. They got their independence quickly by just 1922! And they participated greatly in World War 2 (specificaly in 1941).

I got the idea in the quote he was talking about the ancient Egyptians....but I probably thought wrong lol....
 
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If i could, i would go back in time and I would gather a bunch of jews, name them "the navy seals" and send them in to kill hitler. South Park couldnt even exixt then cause Cartman wouldn't have have his jokes and Kyle wouldnt be so..... looking for the word...... ?
 

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I'm not even going to bother and try to explain why all those who say "hitler is ok guy; he helped them get independence; etc." wrong. Can you all please check the first post? Guy asked: "is that True Hitler Say "If i had Egyptian Soldiers i take Over The World " ?" You can answer by "yes" or "no". I don't see good reason for filling 5 pages with some random bs.
 

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Ok, being a jewish person(by jewish law anyway, my mom is jewish we aren't sure about my dad though, his grandmother was killed by the nazi's when my grandmother was 2, she'd been sent to england already she doesn't remember if she was actually jewish or not and they can't find records) I've heard plenty of holocaust stories, been taught plenty, and met people who've survived the holocaust.

I've read some of the comments here, and I wanna say some things about them.

Firstly, hitler was far from a genius, had he simply listened to his generals and not started a 2 front war he most probably would've destroyed europe on his own, than he could've invaded russia and taken over the world. At the end of the day there were 11 attempts at his life because of the way he was running germany.

Secondly, hitler killed 11 million people and 6 million jews, these are only the people the nazi's actually killed. There are those who were running away and died of hunger, there are those who froze to death, those who took their lives, and so on, all in all a better estimation would be 15 million and 9 million jews, but that's just an estimation on my part not actual fact.


Thirdly, yes, stalin was worse than hitler in regard to how many he killed, but the manner of which he killed them and the amount of time he did it over was nothing compared to hitler. Putting the disgusting experiments aside, the nazi soldiers used to take jewish infants and fling them into the air and shoot them down for target practice, they would use the bones for fertilizer, the hair for pillows, skin for books, and so on. The nazi's did TERRIBLE things, nothing stalin did came anywhere NEAR what the nazi's did, furthermore stalin killed 30 million(I think) over a course of 30 years(again I think, it might be a little less). The mass killing of jews(and other minorities) only really started in 1941, so that's 4 years hitler killed 11 million, he could've exceeded what stalin did in a mere 3rd of the time. Furthermore, after he started with the gas chambers the numbers increased by the thousands, so he could've done it in 8 years even, in a much more gruesome manner. Hitler was fully aware of what was going on, in fact he even privately encouraged it if I'm not mistaken, and told his scientists to use jews over other minorities for his experiments.


Fourthly, yes it was the ENTIRE germany that hated jews(there were VERY FEW exceptions), kristallnacht(night of broken glass) is proof of that, if you don't know what it is read about it.




And finally, yes, hitler did bring germany out of economic failure, however he did so in a brutal manner. He had the country unite against minorities, specifically jews, and ransack them, when a country is united like that things go smoother, it drastically helped the economy. Furthermore, when any country went to war in those times(still in ours but not as much) thousands of new jobs open up, that also helped germany's economy a LOT.


But on the topic of the thread, no he didn't say that, as was stated before, hitler believed the aryan race was better than all others, he never would've admitted that with another race he could've taken over the world, which in all seriousness is probably not true.
 
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Ok, being a jewish person(by jewish law anyway, my mom is jewish we aren't sure about my dad though, his grandmother was killed by the nazi's when my grandmother was 2, she'd been sent to england already she doesn't remember if she was actually jewish or not and they can't find records) I've heard plenty of holocaust stories, been taught plenty, and met people who've survived the holocaust.

I've read some of the comments here, and I wanna say some things about them.

Firstly, hitler was far from a genius, had he simply listened to his generals and not started a 2 front war he most probably would've destroyed europe on his own, than he could've invaded russia and taken over the world. At the end of the day there were 11 attempts at his life because of the way he was running germany.

Secondly, hitler killed 11 million people and 6 million jews, these are only the people the nazi's actually killed. There are those who were running away and died of hunger, there are those who froze to death, those who took their lives, and so on, all in all a better estimation would be 15 million and 9 million jews, but that's just an estimation on my part not actual fact.


Thirdly, yes, stalin was worse than hitler in regard to how many he killed, but the manner of which he killed them and the amount of time he did it over was nothing compared to hitler. Putting the disgusting experiments aside, the nazi soldiers used to take jewish infants and fling them into the air and shoot them down for target practice, they would use the bones for fertilizer, the hair for pillows, skin for books, and so on. The nazi's did TERRIBLE things, nothing stalin did came anywhere NEAR what the nazi's did, furthermore stalin killed 30 million(I think) over a course of 30 years(again I think, it might be a little less). The mass killing of jews(and other minorities) only really started in 1941, so that's 4 years hitler killed 11 million, he could've exceeded what stalin did in a mere 3rd of the time. Furthermore, after he started with the gas chambers the numbers increased by the thousands, so he could've done it in 8 years even, in a much more gruesome manner. Hitler was fully aware of what was going on, in fact he even privately encouraged it if I'm not mistaken, and told his scientists to use jews over other minorities for his experiments.


Fourthly, yes it was the ENTIRE germany that hated jews(there were VERY FEW exceptions), kristallnacht(night of broken glass) is proof of that, if you don't know what it is read about it.




And finally, yes, hitler did bring germany out of economic failure, however he did so in a brutal manner. He had the country unite against minorities, specifically jews, and ransack them, when a country is united like that things go smoother, it drastically helped the economy. Furthermore, when any country went to war in those times(still in ours but not as much) thousands of new jobs open up, that also helped germany's economy a LOT.


But on the topic of the thread, no he didn't say that, as was stated before, hitler believed the aryan race was better than all others, he never would've admitted that with another race he could've taken over the world, which in all seriousness is probably not true.
Well the Soviet deaths from World War 2 were more than the jewish deaths(which are said to be 6 million) by almost 4 times as many:

(See Soviet Union total deaths). Just saying.

And Egyptians have been lousy fighters ever since the end of the days of the Mameluke empire when they beat back the hordes of Genghis khan( an incredible victory in that age).
 

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Well the Soviet deaths from World War 2 were more than the jewish deaths(which are said to be 6 million) by almost 4 times as many:

(See Soviet Union total deaths). Just saying.

And Egyptians have been lousy fighters ever since the end of the days of the Mameluke empire when they beat back the hordes of Genghis khan( an incredible victory in that age).
Yes, but that was war, it wasn't flat out, cold blooded, cruel, inhumane, mass killing.
 

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hitler was a bad person......I dont see any reason to discuss him here
That was the wisest comment I read on the first two pages and I didn't bother to hit page number 3.

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sieg heil mein fuhrer! sieg heil mein fuhrer sieg heil mein fuhrer!*heart to heavan!*....just playin i dislike Hitler as much as you guys xd
Oh wow and that's so mature and not retarded at all.
 
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