Itachi vs Pain

Itachi vs Nagato

  • Itachi

    Votes: 236 48.2%
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    Votes: 236 48.2%
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    Votes: 57 11.6%

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dude i kno its speculation but all i am saying is that its possible not absolute but all i am saying is that paths are able to be gotten in genjuts, but all of them at once with one genjutsu might be possible not saying its the truth.
True enough, but think about it, Naruto started a conversation with Deva path, destroyed it, and finished his conversation with Nagato, this means that when Jiraiya used his jutsu, Nagato heard it as well, yet only the bodies who physically heard the song ended up in the Genjutsu. Concrete evidence that you must snare Nagato in a genjutsu for him to truly be under a genjutsu in my book.
 
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look at the episodes 172 it shows him awakening his rinnegan while watching his parents die madara is a liar.Senju are closely related to the uzumaki its all stated in the manga and narutos mother is an uzumaki and he has a tailed beast inside of him right and hashirama a senju could control the 9 tails and other bujuu so im right as usual
lol so nagato has wood element to control bijus now oh was that in a new chapter or something. Dude if he had those powers he would have no trouble with nine tails naruto during the invasion arc. I kno they are related and not closely but distant but it does not mean he gets uchiha blood as u say and also get wood element to control the biju. Everyone has to awaken their dojutsu its possible he gave it b4 that time naruto was given nine tails back when he was a baby and in this manga anything is possible.
 
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True enough, but think about it, Naruto started a conversation with Deva path, destroyed it, and finished his conversation with Nagato, this means that when Jiraiya used his jutsu, Nagato heard it as well, yet only the bodies who physically heard the song ended up in the Genjutsu. Concrete evidence that you must snare Nagato in a genjutsu for him to truly be under a genjutsu in my book.
well but i am saying with itachi's case they have shared vision so its "possible" to get them in all in genjutsu. And we don't have concrete proof on jiraya got them all or not but i guess we can agree to disagree there we might get more info on it when we see madara's paths but i think they are different since it seems that edo tensei is used in that process.
 

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lol so nagato has wood element to control bijus now oh was that in a new chapter or something. Dude if he had those powers he would have no trouble with nine tails naruto during the invasion arc. I kno they are related and not closely but distant but it does not mean he gets uchiha blood as u say and also get wood element to control the biju.
IM NOT SAYING THAT OMG dont you get it they are all related uzumakis senju uccicha im not saying he will get the wood element im saying that he will be releated to the ucichas and for the record he captured the 9 tails something minato couldnt do without dying
 

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well but i am saying with itachi's case they have shared vision so its "possible" to get them in all in genjutsu. And we don't have concrete proof on jiraya got them all or not but i guess we can agree to disagree there we might get more info on it when we see madara's paths but i think they are different since it seems that edo tensei is used in that process.
Dude, the evidence was the 3 pains inside the cube, no one else was there but the 3 pains who heard the actual frog song. Now as I said before, pains share vision, but they also share hearing, so if it was plausible, Nagato should have been in the frog cube along side all 6 paths of pain.

Next Argument please.
 

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well but i am saying with itachi's case they have shared vision so its "possible" to get them in all in genjutsu. And we don't have concrete proof on jiraya got them all or not but i guess we can agree to disagree there we might get more info on it when we see madara's paths but i think they are different since it seems that edo tensei is used in that process.
right i dont know wether your just being ignorant they all have different view points getting one in a genjutsu covers one pair of eyes the others are still looking seriously i know itachi is the second so6p to you but there has to be a point where you just realise your wrong wow
 
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IM NOT SAYING THAT OMG dont you get it they are all related uzumakis senju uccicha im not saying he will get the wood element im saying that he will be releated to the ucichas and for the record he captured the 9 tails something minato couldnt do without dying
you pretty much did say that senju are also closely realated to uchiha but they don't have their eyes. U r making random assumptions like he can control bijus and how can u say that "he will be realted to the uchihas" when in the manga its only said that he was an uzumaki you are just assuming that. capturing is different from controlling and that was not the nine tails but the 8 tails and that is only half the chakra of the nine tails remember and it still broke out remember but then the 4th resealed it, nagato would also have a lot of trouble if he actually faced a full 9 tails
 

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right i dont know wether your just being ignorant they all have different view points getting one in a genjutsu covers one pair of eyes the others are still looking seriously i know itachi is the second so6p to you but there has to be a point where you just realise your wrong wow
wow dude u r an idiot i said it might be tru he can do that, when jiraya got them none of the others responded did they all i was saying is the same is possible with itachi. U r a freaking fool who thinks that nagato can beat every1 even madra who has rinnegan and sharingan, you think that nagato has uchiha blood when it only says uzumaki and you think that he can also control beasts like hashirama who uses wood element which is why he can do it. There are so many things that are wrong about what u say
 

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you pretty much did say that senju are also closely realated to uchiha but they don't have their eyes. U r making random assumptions like he can control bijus and how can u say that "he will be realted to the uchihas" when in the manga its only said that he was an uzumaki you are just assuming that. capturing is different from controlling and that was not the nine tails but the 8 tails and that is only half the chakra of the nine tails remember and it still broke out remember but then the 4th resealed it, nagato would also have a lot of trouble if he actually faced a full 9 tails
look at my post i said the uzumaki clan can control the tailed beasts kushina and naruto.There all related its not random and do you think sealing half of its good chakra makes it weaker it just made it less evil its not half as strong that is just a misconception
 

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wow dude u r an idiot i said it might be tru he can do that, when jiraya got them none of the others responded did they all i was saying is the same is possible with itachi. U r a freaking fool who thinks that nagato can beat every1 even madra who has rinnegan and sharingan, you think that nagato has uchiha blood when it only says uzumaki and you think that he can also control beasts like hashirama who uses wood element which is why he can do it. There are so many things that are wrong about what u say
Nagato has a better chance vs anyone madara said he was the strongest member and all i see is him using space time techs which he has to become solid to do which can be countered using the asura paths arms and the human path to suck out his soul which izangi cannot reverse i never called you an idiot but looking at your posts you certainly sound like one
 

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Hey ppl, lets cut the insults down, you both look silly when you call each other idiots over words typed at a keyboard, and I'm still waitin on a response from you arv993
 

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look at my post i said the uzumaki clan can control the tailed beasts kushina and naruto.There all related its not random and do you think sealing half of its good chakra makes it weaker it just made it less evil its not half as strong that is just a misconception

kushina says the chakra is better to supress it not control its big difference. Only hashirama, madara, bee and 4th mizukage actually control tailed beasts not Nagato stop making up stuff like that. Chakra is what makes it a lot stronger it uses chakra to make tbb. It is just a beast with hate and chakra, taking half its chakra weakens it. Having its chakra is what made naruto's kyubi mode even that strong.
 
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Hey ppl, lets cut the insults down, you both look silly when you call each other idiots over words typed at a keyboard, and I'm still waitin on a response from you arv993
dude my bad for which one i usually never insult ppl but this guy seriously has no idea and blabbing some random stuff without proof and thinks he is right about it, but my bad on that won't do it and what was it that i had to respond to.
 

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Dude, the evidence was the 3 pains inside the cube, no one else was there but the 3 pains who heard the actual frog song. Now as I said before, pains share vision, but they also share hearing, so if it was plausible, Nagato should have been in the frog cube along side all 6 paths of pain.

Next Argument please.
Right here, I say that if all pains weren't caught in Jiraiya's genjutsu, then they are like seperate entities
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You say that all of them may have been in the genjutsu, yet Jiraiya was in the Genjutsu world with the ppl under the Genjutsu so that means that all pains were not affected, neither was Nagato
 

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kushina says the chakra is better to supress it not control it big difference. Only hashirama, madara, bee and 4th mizukage actually control tailed beasts not Nagato stop making up stuff like that. Chakra is what makes it a lot stronger it uses chakra to make tbb. It is just a beast with hate and chakra, taking half its chakra weakens it. Having its chakra is what made naruto's kyubi mode even that strong.
listen idc what you think every post you make is just stupid i never said he could control beasts your just trying to make yourself look smarter which isnt difficult theres no point argueing with you you dont know much about naruto and you quote manga chapters that make no sense to the arguement of cause kushina could control the 9 tails inside of her i just cant be bothered talking to someone like you its like speaking to butt when you talk to it , it just spits out shet
 

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Right here, I say that if all pains weren't caught in Jiraiya's genjutsu, then they are like seperate entities
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You say that all of them may have been in the genjutsu, yet Jiraiya was in the Genjutsu world with the ppl under the Genjutsu so that means that all pains were not affected, neither was Nagato
i said its possible that they were immobilized cos if not they could have come, but they only came after jiraya released it and genjutsu could have still disrupted them they don't have to to somehow teleport in the cube somehow to show that actually works, the paths chakra flow was disturbed and none came to help that might show that they too were immobilized, it doesn't make sense for them all to randomly appear in the cube dude. It might be that they were not in genjutsu or they were but that is up to us to believe.
 
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