three sages of six paths

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To me personally, the first two pages you posted are not a correct translation. The reason I believe this is because the idea that Madara was the second SO6P and Nagato the third makes no sense logically. We know for a fact that Madara is collecting the Biju's to complete his body, which means he has yet to achieve SO6P status. I mean why the heck would kishi heavily involve Madara in the story AFTER he achieved this status? It just wouldn't make sense to the story. Obviously he has not yet achieved that state and the whole point to the story right now is to see whether or not he will succeed.

Beyond that, we also know that Nagato was only an uzumaki and could not use techniques like Izangi because not only did he lack Uchiha DNA, but he also didn't have any sharingan to boot! There is no way Nagato was the third SO6P and again, there would be little point to knowing this after the fact anyway. All the evidence points to your translation being wrong and the 3 paths translation being right. That's what I think.
yea that is what i think too, if the translation or the meaning that madara implied were true there would be too many loose ends in the series as i mentioned few of them in my previous posts. And dude rinnegan can use izangi like the sage did but needs the uchiha dna which nagato does not seem to have, we can guess that he has senju becos he is uzumaki and they are distant relatives but even that is not a 100% accurate.
 

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I believe that when someone has Rinnegan he automatically becomes Sage of the Six paths. Six paths = main six Rinnegan techniques. That explains alias Nagato gave himself - Rikudou Pain.
We know for a fact that Madara is collecting the Biju's to complete his body, which means he has yet to achieve SO6P status.
Not really. First Rikudou had his status even before he sealed Juubi inside himself, he just became even more powerful after that.
And dude rinnegan can use izangi like the sage did but needs the uchiha dna which nagato does not
He has Rinnegan, and Sharingan descends from Rinnegan.
 

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I believe that when someone has Rinnegan he automatically becomes Sage of the Six paths. Six paths = main six Rinnegan techniques. That explains alias Nagato gave himself - Rikudou Pain.

Not really. First Rikudou had his status even before he sealed Juubi inside himself, he just became even more powerful after that.

He has Rinnegan, and Sharingan descends from Rinnegan.
no if u just hav rinnegan it is not everything u need other paths.

nagato has no such abilities or never shown us(very unlikely that he won't use genjutsu techs like izanagi) as mentioned in this page
 

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no if u just hav rinnegan it is not everything u need other paths.
There are no other paths. Rikudou just used Izanagi via his Rinnegan to devide Juubis chakra into Bijuus.

nagato has no such abilities or never shown us(very unlikely that he won't use genjutsu techs like izanagi) as mentioned in this page
He also cant create moon like Rikudou did. This proves nothing.
 

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There are no other paths. Rikudou just used Izanagi via his Rinnegan to devide Juubis chakra into Bijuus.


He also cant create moon like Rikudou did. This proves nothing.
so u think nagato had uchiha dna and was able to use izanagi all he wanted to turn imagination into reality. Why did he not use it against hanzo when he burned his feet, why did he have to fight so hard against naruto to capture him if he were able to use all those powers u saw on that page.

why would he use a rod to capture naruto when he could use genjutsu like the uchihas. Dude there are way to many times he could have used the powers but did not he used a lot of effort to capture naruto which suggests that he does not have all the paths like senju and uchiha dna which the sage possessed. The rinnegan gave him some of the abilities of the like using chibaku tensei and all his other paths techs but not all the powers.
 
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so u think nagato had uchiha dna and was able to use izanagi all he wanted to turn imagination into reality.
I never said he could use Izanagi, but yes with Rinnegan he had both Uchiha and Senjuu power. Technically - Rinnegan is Senjuu + Uchiha power. Proof: even though older son of Rikudou inheritet his eyes it was not Rinnegan, it had spiral like pattern instead of simple circles. Why is that? Becuase he lacked body power, which was inherited by younger son.
 

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I never said he could use Izanagi, but yes with Rinnegan he had both Uchiha and Senjuu power. Technically - Rinnegan is Senjuu + Uchiha power. Proof: even though older son of Rikudou inheritet his eyes it was not Rinnegan, it had spiral like pattern instead of simple circles. Why is that? Becuase he lacked body power, which was inherited by younger son.
no its not like that where the older son lacked the body power it is just that they inherited two different things from their father. Then in ur logic why doesn't the younger son have the rinnegan if he had body power. rinnegan does not mean u hav uchiha and senju dna.
 

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no its not like that where the older son lacked the body power it is just that they inherited two different things from their father
Yeah, and manga clearly says what those things were.
1. Power of eyes - inherited by older son.
2. Power of body - inherited by younger son.
Then in ur logic why doesn't the younger son have the rinnegan if he had body power
Becuase he didnt inherit power of eyes, he had no Doujutsu. It was not his part of the share.
 

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Yeah, and manga clearly says what those things were.
1. Power of eyes - inherited by older son.
2. Power of body - inherited by younger son.

Becuase he didnt inherit power of eyes, he had no Doujutsu. It was not his part of the share.
then what r u trying to argue with me about i said the same thing.
 

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then what r u trying to argue with me about i said the same thing.
I said it becuase it proves that Nagato had both body power (Senjuu) and power of eyes (Uchiha), therefore he trully was third Rikudou. If he lacked some of those things he wouldnt have Rinnegan, just like older son didnt have it even though he inherited Sages "eyes".
 

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I said it becuase it proves that Nagato had both body power (Senjuu) and power of eyes (Uchiha), therefore he trully was third Rikudou. If he lacked some of those things he wouldnt have Rinnegan, just like older son didnt have it even though he inherited Sages "eyes".
That does not prove it becus madara said that he gave the rinnegan to nagato and also he is only uzumaki which is not a distant relative to the senju but not the uchiha. We can't be sure of whether he has those abilities cos according to madara he gave nagato the eyes(which may be tru or not) and he has not shown any abilities that show he has the dna of the uchiha.
 

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I said it becuase it proves that Nagato had both body power (Senjuu) and power of eyes (Uchiha), therefore he trully was third Rikudou. If he lacked some of those things he wouldnt have Rinnegan, just like older son didnt have it even though he inherited Sages "eyes".
That does not prove it becus madara said that he gave the rinnegan to nagato and also he is only uzumaki which is not a distant relative to the senju but not the uchiha. We can't be sure of whether he has those abilities cos according to madara he gave nagato the eyes(which may be tru or not) and he has not shown any abilities that show he has the dna of the uchiha.
you both are putting up good arguments, but until we know where uzumaki's fit into the senju+uchiha=so6p equation, and what madara meant when he said he 'gave' nagato the rinnegan we wont really know whos correct and whos not, we dont even know 100% if thats madara so yeah
 
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