[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[arv993]

Wow there is wayyyyy too many freakin Itachi fanboys out there with very weak arguements and Khaydz5 dude stop cussing in every sentence its a forum where people post they're opinions you dont need to cuss them out because you have a different one. Im not saying that i dislike Itachi but some of his fans are just rediculous not at Arv993 or Kadowade but some other people are just making up stuff that is not even in the manga.

dude it says it is a kinjutsu of the uchiha clan in the manga, u can't have something that is kinjutsu which cannot even be performed by them

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they also explain in detail how the izangi used by the uchiha clan is weaker and not too its complete form.

 

[Tendo Pain]

dude it says it is a kinjutsu of the uchiha clan in the manga, u can't have something that is kinjutsu which cannot even be performed by them

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they also explain in detail how the izangi used by the uchiha clan is weaker and not too its complete form.

Lol sorry to ask but where exactly did i state that was false?

 

[PositiveEmotions]

r u talking about me? yea we did becos hashirama did beat madara with ems who had high lvl genjutsu but we can't assume the same for the rinnegan. but dude answer me this question if itachi sacrificed one eye and used izangi if he was ever desperate wouldn't he win. I think itachi has a really good chance at beating nagato with his susano but if he ever was still about die or he can just make it all a dream and seal nagato. i don't see how Itachi wud lose if he used izangi, like if it is a fight to the death i can see itachi winning most of the times becos of this capability.

i could see why u think itachi mite have a better chance of winning bc of his abilities bc we seen more of his abilities then nagato but remember itachi stated that each jutsu has a weakness meaning GENJUTSU has a weakness as well

 

[arv993]

i could see why u think itachi mite have a better chance of winning bc of his abilities bc we seen more of his abilities then nagato but remember itachi stated that each jutsu has a weakness meaning GENJUTSU has a weakness as well

i guess ur right we can't predict exactly how the fight can go, nagato might have more abilities. i think kishi might show it when madara would start to fight since he has the rinnegan

 

[arv993]

Lol sorry to ask but where exactly did i state that was false?

oh srry man didn't read ur post right. my bad

 

[Tendo Pain]

oh srry man didn't read ur post right. my bad

No problem i agree with you that Itachi could use Izanagi otherwise the Uchiha's would not have made it a forbidden justu if they couldn't learn it.

 

[khaydz5]

The uchiha are "desendants" therefore they can use it with their Sharingan.

lol you're misleading the point. point here is arv939 is saying itachi can use IZANAGI. I SAY NO, coz for it to be used by an uchiha they need SENJU POWER to activate it.

Dude the Sage of Six paths can use Izanagi- And Uchiha's Are Desendents of The Sage Of Six Paths.

I know, everyone knows.. but it requires both power of senju and uchiha to activate. how many times will i repeat that.

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look he says that even the uchiha clan can made it forbidden

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And he says "there is a time limit to it but he must have let orochimaru use experiments on him" and what oro gave him was the first's dna. the izangi can be used but not completely by the uchiha an "incomplete form' as madara says. something won't be named kinjutsu if they cannot even use it.

lol, whats an incomplete for of izanagi? what can it do besides from turing illusion to reality? no. there is no complete or incomplete for. UCHIHAs need to have senju power first in order to ACTIVATE it. i think i said this 10x now. clearly stated in the manga, link i have provided.

dude it says it is a kinjutsu of the uchiha clan in the manga, u can't have something that is kinjutsu which cannot even be performed by them

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they also explain in detail how the izangi used by the uchiha clan is weaker and not too its complete form.

dumb as always. of course uchihas are the one who can use izanagi.not any clan. this all started when you said ITACHI can use it.which is ridiculous. no HE can't and not every uchiha can use it.coz manga state it required senju power. nuff said.

No problem i agree with you that Itachi could use Izanagi otherwise the Uchiha's would not have made it a forbidden justu if they couldn't learn it.

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reread manga dude before you agree to anything.

 

[arv993]

lol you're misleading the point. point here is arv939 is saying itachi can use IZANAGI. I SAY NO, coz for it to be used by an uchiha they need SENJU POWER to activate it.



I know, everyone knows.. but it requires both power of senju and uchiha to activate. how many times will i repeat that.



lol, whats an incomplete for of izanagi? what can it do besides from turing illusion to reality? no. there is no complete or incomplete for. UCHIHAs need to have senju power first in order to ACTIVATE it. i think i said this 10x now. clearly stated in the manga, link i have provided.



dumb as always. of course uchihas are the one who can use izanagi.not any clan. this all started when you said ITACHI can use it.which is ridiculous. no HE can't and not every uchiha can use it.coz manga state it required senju power. nuff said.

u can read about izangi and its incomplete form more easily explained here. uchihas can use it but it lasts longer when u hav senju power like danzo or madara.

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it will explain better

 

[Sanni Uchiha]

Stay focus it took 3 guys to take Nagato down, It was not Itachi alone, so making this tread is most deceiving, it makes it out to be a one on one fight witch it was not.

whatever man, b and naruto where doing nothing but get their asses handed to them by nagato. If Itachi hadnt been there they wouldve died. and in a matter of minutes, he crippled 3 jutsu and sealed the bastard all by himself. He just told them use their attacks as well so they wouldnt look like total douches.

 

[khaydz5]

u can read about izangi and its incomplete form more easily explained here. uchihas can use it but it lasts longer when u hav senju power like danzo or madara.

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it will explain better

nothing there said every uchiha can use it. its a wiki dude. it doesnt come straight from kishi. wiki versus manga what will you believe? shheesh such a sore loser.



danzo is also a proof that you just need sharingan+senju to use it. not necessarily from uchiha clan.. face it.. only 2 is needed to use izanagi. without one, it can't be used.

 

[Tendo Pain]

lol you're misleading the point. point here is arv939 is saying itachi can use IZANAGI. I SAY NO, coz for it to be used by an uchiha they need SENJU POWER to activate it.



I know, everyone knows.. but it requires both power of senju and uchiha to activate. how many times will i repeat that.




lol, whats an incomplete for of izanagi? what can it do besides from turing illusion to reality? no. there is no complete or incomplete for. UCHIHAs need to have senju power first in order to ACTIVATE it. i think i said this 10x now. clearly stated in the manga, link i have provided.



dumb as always. of course uchihas are the one who can use izanagi.not any clan. this all started when you said ITACHI can use it.which is ridiculous. no HE can't and not every uchiha can use it.coz manga state it required senju power. nuff said.

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reread manga dude before you agree to anything.

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Dude go here it clearly states "The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan"

 

[khaydz5]

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Dude go here it clearly states "The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan"

you're not getting my point aren't you? how old are you?

ofcourse uchihas can perform it BUT it REQUIRES senju DNA to activate it. still can't understand huh?

 

[Tendo Pain]

you're not getting my point aren't you? how old are you?

ofcourse uchihas can perform it BUT it REQUIRES senju DNA to activate it. still can't understand huh?

Lol dude your hilarious because obviously your arguements arnt strong enough because you always have to resort to either cussing out or mocking anyone who disagrees. Dude you really need to get a life if you have to piss yourself every time you post on a forum. Every time that we present a point you simply say "Your Stupid you need both senju and Uchiha" thats your only arguement.

 

[khaydz5]

Lol dude your hilarious because obviously your arguements arnt strong enough because you always have to resort to either cussing out or mocking anyone who disagrees. Dude you really need to get a life if you have to piss yourself every time you post on a forum. Every time that we present a point you simply say "Your Stupid you need both senju and Uchiha" thats your only arguement.

not strong enough??lol

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click link. read what madara said. need i say anything? dumbass lol. if you disagree on what madara said that will just prove your ignorance and proves that you don't even wanna face the truth.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

i guess ur right we can't predict exactly how the fight can go, nagato might have more abilities. i think kishi might show it when madara would start to fight since he has the rinnegan

yeah because that way when c madara fight we could have an idea of the abilities that nagato could have had

 

[Tendo Pain]

not strong enough??lol

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click link. read what madara said. need i say anything? dumbass lol. if you disagree on what madara said that will just prove your ignorance and proves that you don't even wanna face the truth.

Lol dude your just proving my point your only posting that one page and once again "dumbass". Dude seriously grow up you have to be like 10 if you think that you have to call people names in order to get your point across.

 

[khaydz5]

Lol dude your just proving my point your only posting that one page and once again "dumbass". Dude seriously grow up you have to be like 10 if you think that you have to call people names in order to get your point across.

your misleading it. and you're not even providing valid reasons on as to why will madara point out that it needs senju power.

its obvious you can't accept the very fact that it requires senju power. and not ANY one in the uchiha clan can use it.

if anyone can counter this argument base on the manga, then i'll admit I am wrong. but no one can give valid reasons here or any evidence that it can be used WITHOUT senju power. you are all just ASSUMING they can,makes it non sense.

 

[pein87]

khaydz5 makes the best point between the two of you. Even the English shonen jump stats that you need both to use it and so does the manga he linked to. That is why danzo had hashirama's dna implanted in his arm. This jutsu as said my madara requires the power of the six paths. The power of the six paths is both that of the uchiha and of the senju combined. The sage of six paths is both uchiha and senju being that he is their forefather. When he tells konan about it she says he couldn't use it because it requires the powers of the six paths which he didn't have. Who do you believe the wikia that can be edited by anyone or the translation of a translator and Viz the company that puts out both the monthly and weekly shonen jump. Itachi can't use it and if anything since nagato has the power of the six paths he could instead use it.

 

[Kinimaster]

your misleading it. and you're not even providing valid reasons on as to why will madara point out that it needs senju power.

its obvious you can't accept the very fact that it requires senju power. and not ANY one in the uchiha clan can use it.

if anyone can counter this argument base on the manga, then i'll admit I am wrong. but no one can give valid reasons here or any evidence that it can be used WITHOUT senju power. you are all just ASSUMING they can,makes it non sense.

"Izanagi can only be used by those with the genetic traits of the Sage of the Six Paths. The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. In exchange for the brief control of reality that it allows them, the Sharingan with which Izanagi is cast becomes blind. For this reason the Uchiha labelled it a kinjutsu. Danzō Shimura, in an effort to make practical use of the jutsu, had ten Sharingan embedded into his right arm. He also had Orochimaru extend the lifespan of each Sharingan's Izanagi to a minute, allowing him to use the technique for up to ten minutes, with breaks in between as he deemed necessary. However, because Danzō is not an Uchiha, his chakra levels drop substantially every time a new Sharingan is used to activate the technique.

To make full use of Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage. For this reason Danzō had some of Hashirama Senju's DNA transplanted into his arm, which had the added benefit of increasing his physical energy and vitality. Madara Uchiha also makes use of Hashirama's DNA, though he claims to have gained control of it, unlike Danzō."

You need senju dna to perform the complete Izanagi, but Uchihas can still perform an incomplete one for a really short time without the dna and they lose the eye, thats why its forbidden in the Uchiha, what would be the point in making a jutsu forbidden if only 2 persons could use it.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

that is true danzu and madara are not fully senju dna and yet they both did izangi and danzo has the cells of senju hashirama not the real thing and he also had sharingans so really the izangi worked un none uchiha and a uchiha that proves that u don't need a full blood senju dna just the cells at the most