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[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 550 Discussion and 551 Predictions
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seppukusan
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So your an old married guy who like to be an a$$hole to people for asking questions about a CARTOON on the internet.
I have 7 posts, and only 1 is a question...
"Is there a reason the First couldn't be in the coffin."
Instead of answering "no he was sealed." You attack my intelligence, provide no new information, and convince me that you are someone I am glad I will never have to interact with again.
And as I am perfectly certain in my mental proficiency, I find myself wondering what kind of person bases their intelligence off a cartoon? (oh I'm sorry MANGA. I bet you pronounce it like the rest of the uneducated population)
....probably the kind who sucks at everything else. I'm sorry you didn't go to college and therefore, probably have to punch a clock working for 7.50 an hour while your wife is screwing a guy would doesn't talk about Naruto all day.
your a douche, Cheers.
seppukusan
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All I have been saying is that if Kushina's mother is Mito, then Naruto is a direct descendent of Hashirama. yes i know he doesn't have the wood element, and hashirama's chakra is unique.
and I also I agree that Naruto won't be able to reactivate the sharingan based on the argument from love, and that it goes against everything that is Naruto.
I was just playing with the idea because of how closely Naruto COULD be related to the first. you guys take this really seriously huh? (not you in particular tiptop) but someone misunderstanding some of their Naruto facts is nothing to beat someone up over.
Naruto is all about peace you guys...
i understand how you feel there because there are stuff in life i dont understand and some people take that to offence and act smug about it and throw insults around because i dont have/understand that information. but im gonna say the one thing that PISSES me off is people not paying attention and build assumption that are far-fetched and those assumption wouldn't be there if they gave things more though or took there time take in every piece of information before completely jumping the gun. now this is DEFINITELY NOT an excuse to verbally attack people, if i see that someone has made a mistake i get to the point and i tell them politely "pay attention".
but if you want to avoid people lashing out at your theories that are "just an idea" back EVERYTHING UP so people can see where you went wrong and make a direct correction rather than attacking the whole theory. :shrug:
Obviously, you're new here. I have crossed some words with BarBoBot and called each other names in the past and once he proved me wrong, I respected him. I also knew one thing for sure if someone could prove him wrong he would admit it without flinching.
Do you know how many new people kept repeating the same silly questions or making silly statements or predictions over and over again? Jiraiya and Hokages that could be resurected using IWR, why Nagato and Itachi still has their eyes, etc, etc. You just happened to be the one that got lashed. However, if you claimed that you only forgot about the 1st Hokage and not about the 2nd, and the 3rd, then how could you forget? It happened at the same time.
If you loved Naruto manga and want to learn more then just do it, admit when you did something wrong regardless of the way how others treated you, no need to go overboard and attack the others' family, friends and lives outside the forum.
seppukusan
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Because i remember watching the 4th get sealed and the third get sealed. I thought the other two were as well, but i figured I'd ask. Who new it was a crime here?
Hence the phrasing on the original question, "Is there a reason why it can't be the first?", implying I thought there was a reason but couldn't remember it.
BarBoBot was rude from the beginning, implying I'm lying about things like reading manga and going to college; because I'm obviously not smart enough to remember the 1st was sealed. After his responses i feel some personal attacks were fully justified if not required.
If he had anything legitimate to say I would have read and learned. But it was mostly, "If your read naruto you'd know that, stupid." If i didn't read Naruto why would I be here typing on a forum instead of doing my protein techniques homework?
I will admit it whenever I am shown I am wrong. But all did was ask a question. How can I be wrong about a question?
And I wasn't trying to prove him wrong. I was just letting him know he was rude. If he thought it was a stupid question he should have ignored it, but that's not what rude people do...
seppukusan
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I get what your saying, but aren't you also jumping to a conclusion every time you say that Naruto is only a distant relative of the Senju. There's a very real possiblility that he is directly related Hashirama. We dont know who Kushina's mother is, and to dismiss the possibility that it is Mito is rash.
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I gave it a 5/5 just for the simple fact that I found out Shisui had the Mangekyo Sharingan all along. xd
(Also his Mangekyo had the ultimate genjutsu in it. Complete brain wash / mind reboot, based on what the user wants you to do. Since Itachi didn't say anything about a time limit, I'm pretty sure that the Mangekyo version lasts forever, and the lesser stages of the technique work with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan, and only lasts for as long as a battle or so.)
(Maybe longer if Shisui could keep focus, but not nearly as long as the Mangekyo version (possibly forever) Itachi planned to use on Sasuke.)
(Also his Mangekyo had the ultimate genjutsu in it. Complete brain wash / mind reboot, based on what the user wants you to do. Since Itachi didn't say anything about a time limit, I'm pretty sure that the Mangekyo version lasts forever, and the lesser stages of the technique work with his 3 Tomoe Sharingan, and only lasts for as long as a battle or so.)
(Maybe longer if Shisui could keep focus, but not nearly as long as the Mangekyo version (possibly forever) Itachi planned to use on Sasuke.)
jaywan1991
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Okay now that Itachi has broken free from the IWR couldnt Kabuto just release the jitsu on him and then re-do the jistu and boom you got itachi again without the genjistu layer over the IWR.
Technically Kabuto could do it becuase Itachi wouldn't have been sealed so he can resummon his soul back to earth...that is if Kabuto has some spare bodies lying around.
Oh and a question...if Shisui had the MS all along and Danzo had one of his eyes, why couldn't Danzo activate the MS? I mean I know that each eye has its own ability with the MS and the genjitsu ability was in the eye Itachi had but couldn't Danzo activate the other eye's power (what ever that might have been). Sorry if I sound like an idiot for asking this but I don't think that this has been answered yet. Maybe Danzo didn't know about the MS in his Sharingan...or in any of his.
Technically Kabuto could do it becuase Itachi wouldn't have been sealed so he can resummon his soul back to earth...that is if Kabuto has some spare bodies lying around.
Oh and a question...if Shisui had the MS all along and Danzo had one of his eyes, why couldn't Danzo activate the MS? I mean I know that each eye has its own ability with the MS and the genjitsu ability was in the eye Itachi had but couldn't Danzo activate the other eye's power (what ever that might have been). Sorry if I sound like an idiot for asking this but I don't think that this has been answered yet. Maybe Danzo didn't know about the MS in his Sharingan...or in any of his.
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boodnahbatman16
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what if naruto transplanted shisui's eye in for the nine tailed fox eye??? hahaha that would be legit
hers what i think....
Kabuto used the IWR on Itachi and brought his soul back into the world using a sacrificial body. Itachi was being controlled as an edo summon by Kabuto because Kabuto was the one who summoned him. Now that Itachi has layered the genjutsu on top of Kabutos IWR, he has freed himself from Kabuto's control through the Koto Amatsukami. Now he is an edo summon that is no longer under Kabutos control through the IWR. most likely the only thing that can release his soul from the summon at this point is either: a.) his own free will to let go and go back to the pure world. or b.) a fulfilling, soulful moment that allows him to overcome the bindings of the initial IWR. like what we saw happen with sasori and sais brother. Until then, my guess is that he is an edo with no master. like the swordfish summon in the last anime. it was still around even though it was no longer being controlled by its summoner, it was still around because of the demon shuriken. Well thats the same situation. Itachi is no longer around because of Kabuto, who originally brought him into the impure world. now he is here solely because of the IWR, which can only be released through a few ways that we know of. one is no longer viable (the summoner releasing the jutsu) because Kabuto no longer has Itachi under his control/jutsu. Hope that made sense and I didnt beat the point to hard.
About your other question with Danzo and Shisui's MS...
heres what I think...
He wore his patch over his eye when we saw him use it against Mifune.
That is the only time we are aware of that he used the Koto Amatsukami.
Yes he revealed the eye in other situations, but only as a normal sharingan, never did he try and activate the eye's special genjutsu while the eye was exposed. This wouldve given away the fact that it was a MS.
Which Kishi obviously wanted to save for later. Danzo at the end with sasuke couldnt decide whether to use the Koto Amatsukami or Izanagi with Shisui's eye. His hesitation ended up getting him killed. Also, he destroyed the eye so that Madara could'nt take possesion of it.
Apparently Naruto wiki is saying that danzos arm was potentially Shisuis arm, I'm not sure where they are getting that, but it would make sense because of what kabuto said to madara some time ago. He asked him for dna...I just realized something... oh damn...
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Here Kabuto says that Nagatos six paths of pain's weapons would still carry Jiraiyas DNA!! He also mentions that if he had Shisui's eye he could use the IWR to bring back Shisui. Which is obviously why he is so excited to hear that the crow has Shisuis other eye. Madara has Danzo's body, and most likely shisuis arm from danzos corpse. Im not sure who would have Nagatos pain bodies... maybe konoha? Naruto raped them all in the village, so I doubt Konoha will ever allow those weapons tainted with Jiraiyas blood, to be taken by the likes of Kabuto. Anyways... hope that answers some questions and raises some more.
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i think that was what madara was referingto when Danzo fought sasuke he said and i quote in manga 480 page 12 he said shishus Doryoku looks like he cant decide if to use it as a genjutsu or throw it away like izanagi" maybe madara knew about shishus genjutsu but maybe Danzo wasnt to equip to use it near death
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Rico Uchiha
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hey guys check this out about Shisui's eye;
Itachi and Shisui were about the same age.. Itachi being 17/18 at Episode 1 of Naruto. In order to find out that it takes 10 years to be able to reactivate Shisui's eye he had to be 7/8 at or younger when he got his MS! Do the math.
That or, he gave his MS to Danzo for ANBU research and stuff, because he probably thought his eye was done for.
two things that might have happened, otherwise Itachi could have never found out it took that long to restore Shisui's MS
Itachi and Shisui were about the same age.. Itachi being 17/18 at Episode 1 of Naruto. In order to find out that it takes 10 years to be able to reactivate Shisui's eye he had to be 7/8 at or younger when he got his MS! Do the math.
That or, he gave his MS to Danzo for ANBU research and stuff, because he probably thought his eye was done for.
two things that might have happened, otherwise Itachi could have never found out it took that long to restore Shisui's MS
jabznaruto
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yo ric ! howdy dude?
..it has been a long time i got to share a common topic with you...
your math is correct...
here are my thoughts:
1. shisui's koto-power in his eyes seems to have levels of powers:
a. sharingan mode will definitely activate koto to any other eye; binding anyone caught by the power in genjutsu. we witnessed this with danzo casting the power to mifune during the kage summit; well, i am not very sure if it will bind another sharingan activated eye user or a byakugan or a rinnegan user for that matter - yet this will be very overpowering if it does..
b. shisui's MS mode, as we recently read was anti-MS mode. And that this mode could only be activated every decade; so, it could also mean that it has been 10 years that shisui's left eye was activated or it could be more than a decade as well.
2. i assume shisui told itachi about this "decade activation pattern" and that it has such tremendous power.3. shisui entrusted his right eye to a foo'...uchihas are nice and loyal...the top dogs were not..the clan was misled. danso was a die-hard-traditional dawg with nazi-type leadership still under the perception that peace could be achieved as long as the leaf is the strongest.
3. danso has no idea of the MS power, if he did ...damn....imagine a danso controlling a sasuke or even a kakashi...
4. shisui entrusted his eyes...every after casting its powers...shisui was one good nin and powerful...but very impatient.
5. Naruto could not use the crow's MS in ten years...that means...WE WILL STILL HAVE 10 MORE YEARS OF NARUTO...the end would be the fight we dire want "Naruto vs sasuke"...naaaa...sasuke has to wait a decade more hehe...
6. itachi will end nagato with the other powers shisui bestowed on him...itachi will again seal the crow inside Naruto to keep it safe...so...sorry kabuto...there goes shisui ...harhar...
7. it will actually be shisui's eyes vs. nagato's eyes....and shisui's life story...
i can feel the thrill....
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hey all.
you are assuming that even for Shisui, his own eyes had a ten year limit.
Itachi did not say that.
Nor would it stand for reason or make sense if that was true.
How would he have become LEGENDARY, even in the cloud village (because killer bee had heard of him)? It stands to reason that the JUTSU/EYE bearer, can use his technique way more than anyone else. Maybe for anyone else that sishes to control the eye (itachi, danzo, etc) there is close to a ten year limit before the eye would be viable to use again, since it is no longer connected to the original host.
danzo obviously found a way around this by using hashiramas cells to augment his chakra and recharge the eye once per day. which is one hell of a difference between 1 day and 10 years. Like i said though, i dont think that those rules apply to Shisui.
It was his eye for gods sake. That would be like trying to say that Itachi can only use Tsukiyomo or Amertasu once every decade. Thats just stupid. SO the 10 year bit implies someone else trying to utilize the koto genjutsu, other than shisui and apparently danzo (because of hashirama's cells.) I do kinda agree with what some have said here. I think Naruto could very easily be descended from the same lineage as Hashirama. Either through Minatos line or very easily through Uzumaki line dating back to Mito. This would mean he has similar DNA and potential (or even more so) than Hashirama himself. Maybe not the exact same chakra or dna, but a flavor in the rainbow of chakra flavors. orange sherbert chakra. yay naruto! lol.
you are assuming that even for Shisui, his own eyes had a ten year limit.
Itachi did not say that.
Nor would it stand for reason or make sense if that was true.
How would he have become LEGENDARY, even in the cloud village (because killer bee had heard of him)? It stands to reason that the JUTSU/EYE bearer, can use his technique way more than anyone else. Maybe for anyone else that sishes to control the eye (itachi, danzo, etc) there is close to a ten year limit before the eye would be viable to use again, since it is no longer connected to the original host.
danzo obviously found a way around this by using hashiramas cells to augment his chakra and recharge the eye once per day. which is one hell of a difference between 1 day and 10 years. Like i said though, i dont think that those rules apply to Shisui.
It was his eye for gods sake. That would be like trying to say that Itachi can only use Tsukiyomo or Amertasu once every decade. Thats just stupid. SO the 10 year bit implies someone else trying to utilize the koto genjutsu, other than shisui and apparently danzo (because of hashirama's cells.) I do kinda agree with what some have said here. I think Naruto could very easily be descended from the same lineage as Hashirama. Either through Minatos line or very easily through Uzumaki line dating back to Mito. This would mean he has similar DNA and potential (or even more so) than Hashirama himself. Maybe not the exact same chakra or dna, but a flavor in the rainbow of chakra flavors. orange sherbert chakra. yay naruto! lol.
i agree with what you said about shisui being able to use it as manytimes as he wants because after all it is HIS EYE.
but i want to clear something up that i think everyone has been assuming: narutos mother(kushina) isnt related to mito(wife of 1st hokage) in anyway, their just from the same clan. mito moved to the village when she was a young adult(assuming that from the fact she must of married 1st hokage at that time) and she grew up in the village from then on till her old age where she was about to die, therefor the village elders had to find another host with as strong chakras as mito, so they went back to the whirlpool country and brought kushina back when she was a little girl to become the new host as mito was about to die, but kushina and mito actually talked about the situation about how she needed to be filled with love etc, basically just giving the successor advice. so my point is that kushina is not mito's daughter/grand daughter because of the whole location and time difference. oh yeah and as far as we know minato is strictly "NAMIKAZE" so hes ALSO not related to the 1st hokage.
another point i also want to get to: even if naruto was related to the 1st hokage or even the senju, it wouldnt matter because the BOTTOM LINE is that you need the 1st hokages chakra ONLY , not someone who is apparently related because everyone even relatives have there own unique chakra and dna, the 1st hokage has the most special and unique of them all. thats also why no one wants anything to do with the second hokage although he is not only a senju but he is the 1st hokages brother, and if they dont care about his chakra but only the 1st hokages as itachi stated, then the 1st hokages chakra must be really special in this situation. so my main point is that there is no exceptions if your a relative to the 1st hokage because he had a very special chakra that everyone is trying to spam. no ones trying to spam narutos or tsunades chakra lol
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