no i didn't say that he needed izangi to beat him he can beat him without it in my opinon with teleportation jutsu. But my point was that rinnegan is not all paths and that nagato does not have senju and uchiha dna, he is not from their clan he just has one path which is rinnegan. You agreed with pein87 who said that he has both uchiha and senju dna and that he can use izangi all he wants so i am just explaining why that is not true.
Nagato vs Madara
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Lord Painz
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@arv993 that is a typo, do I need to scan the true translation for the north american shonen jump release? Madara said that he is the third sage of the six paths and that he is the second. The point is if he had EMS he wouldn't have the sharingan he uses for the teleportation jutsu. We know he has swapped eyes more then once and its why he has a stock of them at his base. Its also why that sharingan was the only one shown and why he nearly died just to break off his mask to use his other one. That one single sharingan is key to his teleportation. Did you watch episode 166 and see that he was about to use a new jutsu but got stopped? I bet you didn't your just talking crap for the sake of it. You still need the power of the senju and uchiha to use izanagi, what part of that don't you get? Read the battle and tell me what is needed to use it, go ahead I want you to post what it says in the manga. That means he could just make it as if nothing happened. I think you need to watch the danzo fight to appreciate the magnitude of izanagi's power. The power of the six paths is both the combined power of the uchiha and senju. Uzumaki is a relative of the senju and its been stated nagato has the power of the six paths. Thats why there was the six paths of pain all of which had their own unique jutsu.
i don't kno where you are getting the idea that nagato has both the dna of senju and uchiha it was never stated and without it he can't use the izangi read this
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If he did have the dna he would use it and won't have to fight against ppl like he did with naruto. Dude it was in multiple manga sites where they say that he is the 3rd path and where is proof that he has uchiha and senju dna, and we have seen him using his kamui a lot and ems is a sharingan that you hav he uses it as much as he wants in battles we hav seen him, and the fact that he switches sharingans is an assumption not necessarily proven. nagato in no way has all the paths if he did he would be another sage of six paths. he doesn't need to fight. he has one path which is the rinnegan. And dude he the third meaning that it is the third of the sage of six paths path you just misunderstood.
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I notice you stick to that page but dance around the truth since your on that site read these pages.
it specifically says that the the power to use izanagi is the power of both the senju and uchiha and that is the power of the six paths. Rikudou was both in one body being that both clans are his descendants. The english version of the shonen jump is what I go by not a fan sub. Its is stated over and over again that nagato had the power of the six paths and its thought that he is the reincarnation of the sage of six paths. The real question is does nagato know about izanagi? Probably so but he is weak and could not walk on his own and is why he created the paths to fight in his place while he controlled them from behind the scenes. During the kage summit arc they say that akatsuki knows what the tablet says because they had a rinnegan user in their ranks. Which means nagato knows the sages history as well as madara does since he would have had to have read it for him and tell him what the full text said. One page 11 take not of the rinnegan, notice the tome? Notice tobi's mask is the same and he has both eyes? Its plausible that the sages rinnegan is not the same as nagato's. It also mentions that he created many things with his izanagi.
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it specifically says that the the power to use izanagi is the power of both the senju and uchiha and that is the power of the six paths. Rikudou was both in one body being that both clans are his descendants. The english version of the shonen jump is what I go by not a fan sub. Its is stated over and over again that nagato had the power of the six paths and its thought that he is the reincarnation of the sage of six paths. The real question is does nagato know about izanagi? Probably so but he is weak and could not walk on his own and is why he created the paths to fight in his place while he controlled them from behind the scenes. During the kage summit arc they say that akatsuki knows what the tablet says because they had a rinnegan user in their ranks. Which means nagato knows the sages history as well as madara does since he would have had to have read it for him and tell him what the full text said. One page 11 take not of the rinnegan, notice the tome? Notice tobi's mask is the same and he has both eyes? Its plausible that the sages rinnegan is not the same as nagato's. It also mentions that he created many things with his izanagi.
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Naruto UzRinneganMaki
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Well, I voted for Nagato because basically sharingan is nothing compared to rinnegan, the sage of six path's eye.
he needs senju and uchiha dna to use the izangi which in the manga has never stated that he has he is an uzumaki. yes i kno the sage can create many things with the izangi i gave the same site but your whole argument is flawed becus who said that nagato has uchiha and senju dna no one so he doesn't have the power to use izangi. Rinnegan is only one path of the six paths. That is what nagato has, he is not exactly the sage but has his amazing dojutsu but does not have the other components to fully utilize it. nagato does have the power of the sage the rinnegan but not all the other paths.
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Ok, since your so stuck on that dna bull crap what does konan say on page 10 in response to madara saying it takes the power of senju and uchiha to use it? She says "Both... Senju and Uchiha? Thats the power of the six paths...You don't have such power" - konan. What is nagato said to have? The power of the six paths, Uzumaki is related to the senju by blood . That means he is a direct descendant of the sage just like the senju. The rinnegan itself comes with its one techiques,i.e. the six paths jutsu. If nagato has the power of the six paths and the power of the six paths is the power of both the senju and uchiha that means he has both powers or else he wouldn't have the power of the six paths.
dude how do you kno he read it he has never been to konoha, he was too busy trying make his homeland good and wanted peace, he might have but unlikely becus it is hidden under konoha too not just able to seen anywhere(it is unlikely that is all i am saying). But i am intrerested about your theory about the sage's other eye, what are you trying to say i am not fully understanding you.
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rinnegan gives him those abilities that is why he is compared to sage, but he does not have uchiha and senju dna. i am just going by proof not stuck on it, Uzumaki are not distant relatives not exactly direct descendants as you said but how does he have uchiha dna, he doesn't or else he would be able to use izangi. According to the manga they never mention he has both what you are saying is speculation. And like I said b4 he does hav the power of the sage of six paths but not all of it as you are suggesting. Its not bull crap but i am just saying what it is said in the manga.
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Nagato would win? Did we see Madara fight before? Maybe I should elaborate on this more so you understand Nagato cannot beat Madara, who has more experience, knows about Sharingan techs and clans. And Madara knows the Rinnegan's power better than Nagato does.
The rinnegan grants its user the power of the six paths. With it one wouldn't need their dna, the fact that the rinnegan was awakened in one of his descendants shows that it has stayed in the family. Its not clear which side the uzumaki clan comes from or if its a mix of both. In the manga and anime when the list is shown of the descendants of his sons some intermarried and since nagato had enough chakara to destroy a village and create a huge chibaku tensei and bring back the dead of konoha(all while controlling six bodies and don't forget chakara wasted on the walk there) and has the rinnegan I'm leaning towards the intermarriage side. However the rinnegan is the sages bloodline trait, him awakening it is proof of him being his descendant. With the rinnegans powers nagato can use all six nature types which includes yin yang release, which is unheard of, which is the release used to create izanagi. The sages power is the rinnegan and possessing it means to have his power. Because izanagi is genjutsu its possible that nagato can't use it well. None of jiraiya's students, including the teacher himself, were good at genjutsu. That said it could be why its never been used by nagato, but we have no way of knowing that. However he may vary well use it now that he is complete. It is implied that if he has the power of the six paths and to use it you need the power of the six paths he has the potential to use it but its unknown if he has. We'll have to wait to see if he uses it in the coming chapters. I'll find the chapter and scan it in so you can see madara calls nagato the third sage of six paths and not the third of the six paths. I gotta go its late and I need to get to bed.
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Hmm.... well all things stated, I have to say Nagato.
Not just because I love him. ( i love Madara as well... sometimes)
Nagato with his legs operational, and fully able and powered, would prove more than a match for Madara.
I have no doubt Madara would prove a challenge at first with his teleporting, but as Konan knew, he could only do so for 10 mins at one period of time and that their was an off time for the jutsu.
Nagato, not only possessing his Rinnegan, the abilities of his paths would surely be able to overpower Madara.
So I say Nagato hands down. :ghehe:
Not just because I love him. ( i love Madara as well... sometimes)
Nagato with his legs operational, and fully able and powered, would prove more than a match for Madara.
I have no doubt Madara would prove a challenge at first with his teleporting, but as Konan knew, he could only do so for 10 mins at one period of time and that their was an off time for the jutsu.
Nagato, not only possessing his Rinnegan, the abilities of his paths would surely be able to overpower Madara.
So I say Nagato hands down. :ghehe:
sha sasuke
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nagato wins, thats if his full, if u read chapter 550, u will see that all that time nagato
had half of tha chackra he was supposed to have, in otherwards all the time nagato controlled the pains, he was half his strength but u also wat he was capable of, wat about now that hes full, and he uses all the abilities of the six paths, i think nagato is the strongest in naruto...
had half of tha chackra he was supposed to have, in otherwards all the time nagato controlled the pains, he was half his strength but u also wat he was capable of, wat about now that hes full, and he uses all the abilities of the six paths, i think nagato is the strongest in naruto...
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stupid Nagato fanboys, he's without chance....even without Rinnegan but with EMS Madara pwns...thats real, not ur hoping for Nagato....How canu say that Hashirama would beat Nagato, but Madara not? Madara(even in manga is said that Madara was the best ninja Before villages were founded>Hashirama(lucker in the walley if end) even now, Madara states that he has just small part of his powers...so what powers he had with EMS and full body?
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Most of what you say is speculation not saying is wrong but just can't be proven as of now and some of the things you said are pure assumptions. How can you just say that for izangi nagato does not require the senju and uchiha dna, when the manga clearly states it
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.It is not an intermingle marriage as you say that is unlikely all the manga says is that uzumakis are distant relatives to the senjus, if they were intermingled why don't kushina and naruto have have any kind of eye tech or any of the clan members have any dojutsu(they were only known for sealing techs and their vitality),they are uzumaki also but kno they are just related to the senju becus that is what is said in the manga and they are not direct descendants of senju like you say.
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It should tell you that all kushina says to naruto is that they live long and are good at seals.
And from what we hav seen we have not seen any sharingan or any form of dojutsu. Without any indication or proof of him having senju or uchiha blood(uzumaki doesn't count for both) nagato does not have the power to use izangi like the sage does, he has the powers only the rinnegan offers which is vast in itself. And "complete" refers him able to use all his powers with his own body and is revitalized again instead of having a tired dried up body, he would be stronger(due to the gain in chakra) but most likely with same abilities he has shown so far, we can't assume he has much more which he might have. but from what we have seen so far from nagato and his powers its seems like madara with his kamui can win that is all i'm trying to say, he has no defense to his kamui and is not fast and none of his attacks would actually hit Madara because he can become intangible, so how would nagato win the fight. we have not seen most of madara's powers, so we can only compare with what info we do have of them.
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Let's say Nagato. Shinra tensei can repel amaterasu. I'm not sure about tsukuyomi, but we're talking about rinnegan wielder here, he could probably somehow counter it. Susanoo, well I think chibaku tensei or large scale shinra tensei could do quite good against it. There is also fourth dojutsu that comes with EMS which is still uknown, but for now, I'll go with Nagato.
