SENJU UCHIHA
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Without naruto's sage mode nd kyuubi, he's just a charecter with no brain, nd raw pwer..... So, sasuke will pawn him, without a scratch....
Naruto Vs Sasuke (without fox or sharigan)
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simonsez0800
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The Demon Zabuza Momochi
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naruto wouldnt even be able to make a thousand clones, he would have alot less chakra without the fox
Wparker6804
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Okay, you took away 1 thing from Sasuke and 2 from Naruto. That's unfair. If you let both people keep the things that they LEARNED THEMSELVES, then Naruto would nock Sasuke on his back. I've said this a million times over: "Sasuke is a leech!" I mean, he didn't earn the Sharingan (he was born with it), he didn't fight for the curse mark (Orochimaru gave it to him), he didn't unlock the Mangekyo or Susano'o (Itachi gave it to him), he didn't work for Rock Lee's speed or the chidori (he coppied them with the sharingan), and he sucked out Orochimaru's powers and Jutsu. I mean, he didn't fight Orochimaru, he waited like a coward until Orochimaru was ill and incapable of moving, then sucked them out! Now, don't get me wrong, he advanced the chidori, mastered the cursemark, and created his own jutsus. But if he never had the sharingan from the start, then he'd be way less powerful now.
Naruo, on the other hand, earned everything he had by himself other than the fox. I mean, he's so skilled and powerful now, he doesn't even need the fox in my opinion! He learned the rasengan in two weeks, when it took the fourth and Jyraia two years! He perfected the rasengan, wich is something his father, one of the most skilled ninjas of all time, couldn't even do himself! It took Jyraia most of his youth to learn Sage mode, and it took Naruto only two weeks! (apparently he has a thing for the number two). And he's created several variations of the rasengan. In addition, Naruto has a huge pool of natural body chakra, more than Sasuke or Jyraia even (Jyraia and the elder toad Pa said so themselves). The only reason Naruto had trouble focusing and performing Jutsus is because the nine tailed fox disrupted and interfered with Naruto's focus and chakra flow. If you took the Kyuubi out, Naruto would be much more skilled and powerful. Not to mention that those with the multi shadowclone Jutsu would only be able to do five to ten, at best, but Naruto's stamina is so high he can go up into the thousands!
Taking Sage mode away from Naruto is unfair, as he EARNED IT HIMSELF, rather than sucking it out of someone. Now, Sasuke is smart and fast, but Naruto has an ace in the hole that I give much more regard to: He's Clever!
If Naruto didn't have sage mode, than Sasuke shouldn't have the chidori (just to make everything even). But either way, I'd root for Naruto anny day!
Naruo, on the other hand, earned everything he had by himself other than the fox. I mean, he's so skilled and powerful now, he doesn't even need the fox in my opinion! He learned the rasengan in two weeks, when it took the fourth and Jyraia two years! He perfected the rasengan, wich is something his father, one of the most skilled ninjas of all time, couldn't even do himself! It took Jyraia most of his youth to learn Sage mode, and it took Naruto only two weeks! (apparently he has a thing for the number two). And he's created several variations of the rasengan. In addition, Naruto has a huge pool of natural body chakra, more than Sasuke or Jyraia even (Jyraia and the elder toad Pa said so themselves). The only reason Naruto had trouble focusing and performing Jutsus is because the nine tailed fox disrupted and interfered with Naruto's focus and chakra flow. If you took the Kyuubi out, Naruto would be much more skilled and powerful. Not to mention that those with the multi shadowclone Jutsu would only be able to do five to ten, at best, but Naruto's stamina is so high he can go up into the thousands!
Taking Sage mode away from Naruto is unfair, as he EARNED IT HIMSELF, rather than sucking it out of someone. Now, Sasuke is smart and fast, but Naruto has an ace in the hole that I give much more regard to: He's Clever!
If Naruto didn't have sage mode, than Sasuke shouldn't have the chidori (just to make everything even). But either way, I'd root for Naruto anny day!
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Wparker6804
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That's not quite right. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Naruto has a vast amount of stamina and chakra, but the fox cuts that off. In fact, you may have noticed that when he was using the fox's chakra to the point that it created a fox-shaped aroura around him (and he was still sane...ish), he didn't create more than a few clones. The fox wasn't the reason he can make dozens of clones and rasengans repeatedly, it's his own doing. In fact, until naruto went berserk using 4+ tails or when he masterd the yin-chakra, then the fox was really just a burden.
Sagefoxmode
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I agree with u, Naruto does have the multi Shadow clone jutsu plus the Rasengan, Saskue can't do chidori becuz he needs his sharingan to lock in on targets. That's why the 4th told Kakashi the chidori was an incomplete technique.
Sagefoxmode
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I agree it's energy from around him u might as well there cant be air or earth or life for that matter
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ultimateshinobi
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Originally Posted by Tsibbs View Post
Without the Sharigan Sasuke gets ddestroyed the Valley of the End Sasuke only got him because his sharingan matured. He can't tell Naruto from a clone and 1,000 rasengan is hard to beat. I don't think Sasuke stands a chance his sharingan is his Nindo
you forget that sasuke is alot MORE skilled tha naruto.. and this really isnt fair bcuz sharigan is sasukes gk naruto has none.. so really sasuke is at a disavangtage but i still think he wud win based off of pure skill naruto is jus RAW power.. imagine naruto wastin all his chakra.. (not fox's bcuz fox isnt in him) naruto makes 1000 clones and then sasuke jus does a simple chidori to the ground and burst them all.. now thats wastin chakra on narutos part!!
naruto has a massive chakra reserve because hes an uzumaki
Originally Posted by Tsibbs View Post
Without the Sharigan Sasuke gets ddestroyed the Valley of the End Sasuke only got him because his sharingan matured. He can't tell Naruto from a clone and 1,000 rasengan is hard to beat. I don't think Sasuke stands a chance his sharingan is his Nindo
you forget that sasuke is alot MORE skilled tha naruto.. and this really isnt fair bcuz sharigan is sasukes gk naruto has none.. so really sasuke is at a disavangtage but i still think he wud win based off of pure skill naruto is jus RAW power.. imagine naruto wastin all his chakra.. (not fox's bcuz fox isnt in him) naruto makes 1000 clones and then sasuke jus does a simple chidori to the ground and burst them all.. now thats wastin chakra on narutos part!!
naruto has a massive chakra reserve because hes an uzumaki
I also remember kakashi saying naruto in his current state had 3 times more chakra than himself (when naruto was adding wind nature to his rasengun)...If naruto's chakra wasn't supressing the fox inside him, he would have around 100 times more. Quite frankly he doesn't need the fox to whoop sauske.
So imagine (without the fox) the amount of clones naruto will now be able to make + sage mode cos he learnt that himself. Againt what? Sauske which has no eyes of doom? Correct me if im wrong but sauske's whole fighting style depends on him being able to utilize his eyes. Without which he would have been killed a long long time ago, not even from naruto.
The whole genius behind the uchiha was due to their eyes.
Remove the fox from naruto and you remove the sharinghan from sauske...there clearly is no match. Naruto pawnd Pain by himself and noone else. He could have made more clones to last longer in sage mode if it wasn't for the fox being a leech on him.
So imagine (without the fox) the amount of clones naruto will now be able to make + sage mode cos he learnt that himself. Againt what? Sauske which has no eyes of doom? Correct me if im wrong but sauske's whole fighting style depends on him being able to utilize his eyes. Without which he would have been killed a long long time ago, not even from naruto.
The whole genius behind the uchiha was due to their eyes.
Remove the fox from naruto and you remove the sharinghan from sauske...there clearly is no match. Naruto pawnd Pain by himself and noone else. He could have made more clones to last longer in sage mode if it wasn't for the fox being a leech on him.
ultimateshinobi
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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSage View Post
Naruto should have sage since he learned it
thats true so he should have it
Naruto should have sage since he learned it
thats true so he should have it
Sagefoxmode
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Hahaha Amen!!Okay, you took away 1 thing from Sasuke and 2 from Naruto. That's unfair. If you let both people keep the things that they LEARNED THEMSELVES, then Naruto would nock Sasuke on his back. I've said this a million times over: "Sasuke is a leech!" I mean, he didn't earn the Sharingan (he was born with it), he didn't fight for the curse mark (Orochimaru gave it to him), he didn't unlock the Mangekyo or Susano'o (Itachi gave it to him), he didn't work for Rock Lee's speed or the chidori (he coppied them with the sharingan), and he sucked out Orochimaru's powers and Jutsu. I mean, he didn't fight Orochimaru, he waited like a coward until Orochimaru was ill and incapable of moving, then sucked them out! Now, don't get me wrong, he advanced the chidori, mastered the cursemark, and created his own jutsus. But if he never had the sharingan from the start, then he'd be way less powerful now.
Naruo, on the other hand, earned everything he had by himself other than the fox. I mean, he's so skilled and powerful now, he doesn't even need the fox in my opinion! He learned the rasengan in two weeks, when it took the fourth and Jyraia two years! He perfected the rasengan, wich is something his father, one of the most skilled ninjas of all time, couldn't even do himself! It took Jyraia most of his youth to learn Sage mode, and it took Naruto only two weeks! (apparently he has a thing for the number two). And he's created several variations of the rasengan. In addition, Naruto has a huge pool of natural body chakra, more than Sasuke or Jyraia even (Jyraia and the elder toad Pa said so themselves). The only reason Naruto had trouble focusing and performing Jutsus is because the nine tailed fox disrupted and interfered with Naruto's focus and chakra flow. If you took the Kyuubi out, Naruto would be much more skilled and powerful. Not to mention that those with the multi shadowclone Jutsu would only be able to do five to ten, at best, but Naruto's stamina is so high he can go up into the thousands!
Taking Sage mode away from Naruto is unfair, as he EARNED IT HIMSELF, rather than sucking it out of someone. Now, Sasuke is smart and fast, but Naruto has an ace in the hole that I give much more regard to: He's Clever!
If Naruto didn't have sage mode, than Sasuke shouldn't have the chidori (just to make everything even). But either way, I'd root for Naruto anny day!
Sagefoxmode
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Lots of Stamina and life force, but anyway Kakashi already noted that Naruto like Jariya already has alot of chakra that's why he is able to do shadow clones
The Demon Zabuza Momochi
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btw he only beat pain because he was holding back, if pain used alot of power he would easily kill him an lose him prize of the tailed beast
Well we'll be able to see how the fight goes now with the next manga. But anyways, though I agree Nagato was holding back, it might seem that he also didn't earn his rinn, madra whilst demanding for it claimed it was rightfully his, what ever he may mean. Nevertheless, if you take away the fox from naruto in a fight against nagato truthfully his rinn should also be taken away.
So we should just see how he fairs with a fully unrestrained nagato with all his might + rinn with a naruto with all his might + fox. That is a fair battle we should agree.
Again on the subject of Sauske. What has sauske actually got without the eyes of doom being involved in any way? (yes i jus like to call em that XD ) Maybe i'm missing something
