Jiraiya vs Orochimaro 4real

[vergil18]

now guy's for real, state your winner with specific reasons, and considering a real battle between them, and no opinions like "Orochi rules!!" or "j-man of course" are valid. U_U

State your reasons, and prove your arguments for a better understanding for the viewers, of the shinobi's powers and most importantly for RESPECT OF CHARACTER!!!

consider their final battle, with them on their final state in the anime/manga

jiraiya - sage mode, toad summoning, rasengan, fire and earth release, lion mane tecs, and what ever you can remember

Orochimaro - his "true form", snake summoning, senju rashomon(3 gates)summoning, impure world summoning(althought he probabily would not have bodies prepared), wind and earth release, kinjutsu wide variety of tecs, and what you can remember

 

[protentiality]

nice thread cba to make a decision though. [=

 

[Jokule67]

jiriya i wud say.he cudve beat pain and orochimmaru wudnt stand a chance against pain.

 

[Klaus]

i would say jiraiya i mean jiraiya has sage mode, tode summones and is simpaly awsome LOL i mean oro is tough but oro wouldent stand a chance against jiraiya in sage mode ask Pain or nagato LOL lmao

 

[blazekev90]

Comparing how Oro would be against pain is pointless, because we don't know how he would have faired but I personally think he would have done just as good, if not better. Jman in SM is badass don't get me wrong, but it comes with preparation and having to depend on the frogs. Oro if in his snake mode is fast and made of hundreds of snakes, which allows him to regenerate, so Jman's physical attacks won't do too much (as shown against Sasuke, and Oro was already weak at that point). Without either of them being in any type of mode, Oro has the upper hand, as he has more techniques and is would be very hard to kill. Therefore, without modes Oro wins and with modes it' more even so a possible draw as both would be tired.

 

[vergil18]

nice thread cba to make a decision though. [=

yep, try to make a good response.. we need to heat up the discussions of really good fights and post threads that make sense and clear ideas

jiriya i wud say.he cudve beat pain and orochimmaru wudnt stand a chance against pain.

could, only possibility.. naruto defeated pain but had to use 3 sage modes, and an 6 and 8 tails transformation against the Deva Path(by far the strongest)... jiraiya had incomplete sage mode and no chakra and power boost(i refer to kyuubi power)... post again if you like with a more developed idea please

i would say jiraiya i mean jiraiya has sage mode, tode summones and is simpaly awsome LOL i mean oro is tough but oro wouldent stand a chance against jiraiya in sage mode ask Pain or nagato LOL lmao

orochimaro had his true form at disposal, plus manda..

remember the ultimate tec that orochimaro used (against itachi when released of sasuke)

 

[Princermb]

There are too many threads for this. On topic, i think Jiraiya would win. Even though he has not completely mastered Sage Mode, I don't think Orochimaru can counter him in that mode. Also, Jiraiya has such a wide range of jutsu. Whether its fire style, earth style, summoning or some variation of using his hair. In addition, Jiraiya's taijutsu in Sage Mode is extremely powerful. Genjutsu is one place where Jiraiya is lacking however, he has the old toad couple that has a Genjutsu good enough to take out three paths of pain.

 

[vergil18]

Comparing how Oro would be against pain is pointless, because we don't know how he would have faired but I personally think he would have done just as good, if not better. Jman in SM is badass don't get me wrong, but it comes with preparation and having to depend on the frogs. Oro if in his snake mode is fast and made of hundreds of snakes, which allows him to regenerate, so Jman's physical attacks won't do too much (as shown against Sasuke, and Oro was already weak at that point). Without either of them being in any type of mode, Oro has the upper hand, as he has more techniques and is would be very hard to kill. Therefore, without modes Oro wins and with modes it' more even so a possible draw as both would be tired.

true and very well explained... remember orochimaro had a very large chakra supply since the kawarimi no jutsu(his snakeskin substitution jutsu) consumed massive amounts of chakra to perform and he used it about 2-3 times against naruto 4tails and summoned at the same fight the 3 gates

 

[Klaus]

yep, try to make a good response.. we need to heat up the discussions of really good fights and post threads that make sense and clear ideas



could, only possibility.. naruto defeated pain but had to use 3 sage modes, and an 6 and 8 tails transformation against the Deva Path(by far the strongest)... jiraiya had incomplete sage mode and no chakra and power boost(i refer to kyuubi power)... post again if you like with a more developed idea please



orochimaro had his true form at disposal, plus manda..

remember the ultimate tec that orochimaro used (against itachi when released of sasuke)

true but i think that there is no way for oro to beat jiraiya in sage mode

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Orochimaru only because Summoning: Impure World Resurrection

 

[blazekev90]

true and very well explained... remember orochimaro had a very large chakra supply since the kawarimi no jutsu(his snakeskin substitution jutsu) consumed massive amounts of chakra to perform and he used it about 2-3 times against naruto 4tails and summoned at the same fight the 3 gates

Well the ORo also has an advantage in mode-state too. So Oro wins in both cases IMO.

 

[vergil18]

true but i think that there is no way for oro to beat jiraiya in sage mode

could you please state reasons, or battle simulations to prove that? just to clear this topic as must has possible

 

[blazekev90]

I think ppl may be overestimating Jman's sage mode, he can be defeated in this mode with tricks and stamina. These two things are Oro's strengths, he is very unpredictable with something up his sleeve and has tons of stamina (reason he did better at fight the 4-tails than Jman). Fire blast won't be enough (the third tried the same thing), rasengan might be the biggest issue (but idk if oro could regenerate from that) and his physical strength isn't on the same level as granny hokage and oro took her punches, so that won't have much affect. However, if Jman uses genjutsu successfully he will have the upper hand. Also, I think ppl forget about Oro's 8-headed snake, that was like a tailed beast lol

 

[vergil18]

Orochimaru only because Summoning: Impure World Resurrection

to use tht tec you nedd to have already summoned once the person in question, throught the ritual, and then it will be available in a coffin for summoning.. the thing is, we supose oro could only mantain 3 because of his fight with the 3rd's demonstration, and we don't know if he had prepared more summoning in precaution..

 

[vergil18]

I think ppl may be overestimating Jman's sage mode, he can be defeated in this mode with tricks and stamina. These two things are Oro's strengths, he is very unpredictable with something up his sleeve and has tons of stamina (reason he did better at fight the 4-tails than Jman). Fire blast won't be enough (the third tried the same thing), rasengan might be the biggest issue (but idk if oro could regenerate from that) and his physical strength isn't on the same level as granny hokage and oro took her punches, so that won't have much affect. However, if Jman uses genjutsu successfully he will have the upper hand. Also, I think ppl forget about Oro's 8-headed snake, that was like a tailed beast lol

j-man was trying to seal back naruto into normal form the kyuubi control test, and not fighting him, that's why he didn't turn out too well...

that's oro's big trumph card to me.. It's just not valued because he was unlucky to face at the time susanoo people don't really think about the potential of his 8 head form...

 

[Klaus]

yep, try to make a good response.. we need to heat up the discussions of really good fights and post threads that make sense and clear ideas



could, only possibility.. naruto defeated pain but had to use 3 sage modes, and an 6 and 8 tails transformation against the Deva Path(by far the strongest)... jiraiya had incomplete sage mode and no chakra and power boost(i refer to kyuubi power)... post again if you like with a more developed idea please



orochimaro had his true form at disposal, plus manda..

remember the ultimate tec that orochimaro used (against itachi when released of sasuke)

could you please state reasons, or battle simulations to prove that? just to clear this topic as must has possible

uumm ok i'll try lets see take the battle of jiraiya vs pain for example i mean jiraiya almost won almost and it was because of sage mode and the two elder frogs and there are 6 pains plus konan i mean oro is tough and he would give a fight but oro is sick first of all if he were healthy then thats a diffrent story
also orochimaru's been weakened ever since the fight with the third hokage and tsunade.
Also Manda and Gamabunta are tough so that would be an equal fight
not to mention oro's true form is tough but its not the same as sage mode, not as fast, strong and accurate if you need anymore proof well talk to an expert LOL
*note*
I am just giving my opinions so if im wrong i'm sorry but for me jiraiya woul but thats only my opinion

 

[Tsukune]

im going to say jiriya especially considering the benefits of the toads, if you recall, the toads can perform strong elemental attacks on their own, not to mention, in sage mode jiriya killed that giant bull summoning whos to say he cant take down manda?

 

[blazekev90]

j-man was trying to seal back naruto into normal form the kyuubi control test, and not fighting him, that's why he didn't turn out too well...

that's oro's big trumph card to me.. It's just not valued because he was unlucky to face at the time susanoo people don't really think about the potential of his 8 head form...

Ok, defend against the 4-tails, wrong choice of words. But yea ppl obviously can't look into things without it being point blank obvious, because the 8-head snake would be a huge problem!

 

[vergil18]

uumm ok i'll try lets see take the battle of jiraiya vs pain for example i mean jiraiya almost won almost and it was because of sage mode and the two elder frogs and there are 6 pains plus konan i mean oro is tough and he would give a fight but oro is sick first of all if he were healthy then thats a diffrent story
also orochimaru's been weakened ever since the fight with the third hokage and tsunade.
Also Manda and Gamabunta are tough so that would be an equal fight
not to mention oro's true form is tough but its not the same as sage mode, not as fast, strong and accurate if you need anymore proof well talk to an expert LOL
*note*
I am just giving my opinions so if im wrong i'm sorry but for me jiraiya woul but thats only my opinion

that's okay, this a peace thread

but consider this... he defeated 3 peins with a genjutso that wasen't even his own, and because he had time to perform it thanks to the distance between him and the peins... oro would be only one focussed on jman and the frogs so he would not give them time to breathe.. and jman did not face the most powerfull (by far) pain of all, the Deva Path( Chibaku and Shinra Tensei)..

 

[vergil18]

im going to say jiriya especially considering the benefits of the toads, if you recall, the toads can perform strong elemental attacks on their own, not to mention, in sage mode jiriya killed that giant bull summoning whos to say he cant take down manda?

true but manda did face and well, katsuya and bunta single handedly and isnt the only giant snake summon available of oro