a thousand years of death
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jiraiya's last memories looks better in color. it isnt translated but look at the pics. they should release manga in color it looks sooo much better
ridiculous is what i wud say again, but by ridiculous i mean plain unbelievable, not insulting the person who proposed it. u misread it and come up with a harsher tone. hmm. anyway, its how we see things that translates into our view.
1) i am not 'claiming' 3rd is weak, he was called the professor after all for not being the strongest, but for having knowledge of almost all the techniques and was definetly very very strong in his prime. but he was weak due to his old age, he cudnt do kage bunshin earlier as he lacked chakra. when u cant do a single kage bunshin that indicates u r pretty weak.
2) he was not only fighting the 2 'hokages' (10% of 2 hokage synchronising their attack is quite formiddable) , but also simultaneously facing oro. when 3 against 1, and someone is handicapped from his age, its pretty clear he is bound to 'get a kick in his a**'
3) ANBU said it was 'hokage level battle' bcos "the 2nd's jutsu were amazing for not having ne water around". exactly. only a hokage can do something like that. thats why he said its hokage level battle, bcos that battle comprises some of the hokage techniques. now i never said those 2 had 0% abilities of the original one(offcourse they had some abilities). is drawing out water from a dry place is all that will make me believe, hmm i have seen all his(2nd) abilities. he is pretty tough. as a side note, i wud say ANBU also said, "hokage sama (to 3rd), they may look like hokages, but they are not hokage" or sth like that (in anime).
4) @koo: i remember itachi and kisame once transfered 30% of them to 2 guys to block gai and kakashi teams. both of them performed some of their original techniques (but not with the same intensity). that doesnt mean they(those who r fighting gai/kakashi) were original kisame/itachi. itachi cudnt even perform MS. although 1st and 2nd performed some of their signature moves, they were not the original ones, shudnt reach 100% of their abilities. my point is, even if u use someone's body as vessel u still can do some of ur signature moves, but not with same intensity.
5) i wud reiterate i didnt see them summoning anything. they didnt/cudnt use that part of their arsenal.
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i never 'claimed' it s'cked, i thoroughly enjoyed their fighting and it was quite a high level battle. and i am not sure what u mean by mentioning 'forbiden tech'
thats a long essay,i tried to give some logic in support of my 'claim', hope its not an aggressive reply unlike urs. peace.
sorry i didnt get to the end when i posted my reply.
i see what you meant with your points particularly the 4th
although they might have only a portion of their chakra they kept their minds way of thinking in battle, which is really what made them hokage to start with. despite not using all their abilities they should still be able to use powerful ones to attack and defend but still the third beat them and he wasnt weak he "doesnt have the reserves of chakra he once had" just like them and orochimaru on top of them.
and more importantly are there any spoilers yet?
ugh horrible pages. full of crap (sasuke)I agree to some point
The kyuubi is a tool, just like a kunai or a katana. Madara's Power is to control kyuubi. The 4th is death by the doing of madara.
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and i wouldnt consider the kyuubi a tool either. thats like sending a gale force wind in a certain direction.
madara told the kyuubi where to attack he didnt control it while it was attacking. a tool is somthing you use. the kyuubi is more like somthing he payed to do a job. while he hid and stayed out of harms way
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