Would you have killed your own clan
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Honestly, call me weak if you want, but I don't think I (as I exist now) could, bred in this world and not Itachi's. However, his world and raising were so different it's hard to know what I would become under those conditions, other than more likely to be capable of such an act.
Clearly, Itachi wanted Sasuke to be powerful and maybe intended for him to gain the EMS and fame as the hero who killed Itachi who slaughtered his own clan. His plan failed because he underestimated Madara both in ability (Ameratsu failure) and in his ability as a master manipulator and Sasuke is easily manipulated. The latter isn't over, since he gave his gift to Naruto, and we have to see if it works. Until then, Itachi's mission hasn't ended.
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shadow1darkrasengun
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DigitalMonster
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bold part:i still call that a success because itachi doesn't has info about madara, but still being able to hurt him even after his death(at least) madara even said that he will be dead if itachi knows everything about him.
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NOTE:Sasuke never did killed Itachi.the only part where itachi was hurt by sasuke is when he got hit by the rigged shuriken. Itachi died mainly because of disease for years+MS overuse
I never said Sasuke killed Itachi, but that Itachi wanted him to be thought of by others as the hero who killed Itachi. That's two separate things. He didn't want him to be the one thought of as one Itachi carried through the entire battle that was staged, constantly letting him live, forcing him out of chakra to remove Orochimaru, etc. The latter isn't quite as impressive now is it.
When you don't know all of someone's abilities, you underestimate them, it's just verbiage what you emboldened. Why you don't know them, is a different issue. Most people have the connotation that underestimate goes with arrogance or myopia, but that's not necessarily what it means. Thus, my points stand.
Peace.
HiddenMistExile
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Itachi killed his clan because he hated war and wanted to keep peace in the village. As a regular person, I would have just exposed my clan's evil plot instead of killing them. But if I was a ninja in Itachi's shoes... Hm... To prevent civil war and mass destruction... I would have at least spared my sibling and my MOTHER! God Itachi, how could you kill your own MOTHER? And Mikoto was so beautiful too...
Itachi Namikaze
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In all honesty I would do it if my clan/family were plotting to kill someone. Especially over a perceived slight like being given the Konoha police position. Uchiha still made their names elsewhere, they still went into ANBU and did stuff outside of the police force. It seems to me that they weren't happy with equality and wanted to be raised higher than the rest of the village. If my clan were doing something along those lines and they pushed me to it then yes I would. I would try and talk it out first of course but if they didn't back down then it would be the right thing to do.
On the other hand though, if they had actually been abused by the village leaders (I don't think the Uchiha were) then I might side with them. Maybe not wholesale rebellion or a coup but definitely protesting. Just in my honest opinion I think death is only necessary when someone willingly chooses to end another life. It doesn't even matter to me if they accomplished what they set out to do, it is the intent rather than the deed that determines morality.
Even in real life I favor justice over everything else; unbiased, unadulterated justice.
On the other hand though, if they had actually been abused by the village leaders (I don't think the Uchiha were) then I might side with them. Maybe not wholesale rebellion or a coup but definitely protesting. Just in my honest opinion I think death is only necessary when someone willingly chooses to end another life. It doesn't even matter to me if they accomplished what they set out to do, it is the intent rather than the deed that determines morality.
Even in real life I favor justice over everything else; unbiased, unadulterated justice.
DigitalMonster
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wasn't you that i was responding to. i was responding to those sasuketards who think that itachi's weak because he lost to sasuke.
bold part: lol no
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did minato had knowledge about him? NO
did he underestimated him? No
Naruto had showed us billion times that you shouldn't underestimated your opponent when you face against them.no matter how strong they are.
Another good example is shikamaru vs hidan
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Itachi Namikaze
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Well I'm down to get into a moral debate with you. Even if your family were doing something wrong would you stand by them?
And then look at it from the other side, the people they were planning on killing had families and friends. Do you completely discount that because it is 'your' family? Does the fact that they are related to you make your family more important than others?
What if my family wanted to kill yours, now say I didn't want them to but according to your logic I should either help kill you or let them kill you. This is not justice but egoism in it's purest form. Egoism, egotism, and selfishness are the only hindrances to justice, peace, and equality in this world.
Those are my thoughts too =/
Sasuke grew up completely miserable, isolated, and empty. I mean yeah, Itachi's intentions were to spare his brother's life, but why would you want someone you love to live a life like that?
DigitalMonster
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well just report to the police. omg, you seem so serious like you'll do that someday
sorry but thats just pure heartless
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DigitalMonster
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it's a big deal when it comes to itachi.:itachi::itachi:We're on two different pages with each of our responses it seems, and there's no point trying to sync up right now. It's not a big deal anyway.
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but i'll take your word
i hope i was able to change your mind a bit.
Itachi Namikaze
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It isn't the actual act that matters, it isn't like this situation would ever happen to me. What does matter is the way people think and approach things. This sort of thing can be applied to daily situations as well.
This is a real story that happened to me. Recently my best friend's brother broke a law, both my friend and I were aware that he did this and had proof that he did it. I urged my friend to tell either his parents or the police, I did not do so because I was leaving it up to him to decide, it wasn't a serious enough crime that I felt it was urgent for authorities to know about it. Anyway I urged my friend to tell someone with the authority to punish, instead my friend confronted his brother and talked about it telling his brother he wouldn't tell anyone if he promised not to do it again. Now a short time later his brother broke the same law again, in basically the same situation. Did anyone benefit from my friend supporting his brother instead of what is right? No it hurt society as a whole and his brother learned nothing. No good can come from supporting anything over what is right.
That kind of thinking stifles growth in both the individual and society. That is why I care alot about this post, not because I think my family is going to plot to kill people but because I don't think supporting family is as important as goodness and justice.
You said that my response was heartless but I ask, which is more heartless, to let innocent people die or to save them at a personal cost?
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