Why these 6 paths are weaker
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Ok now i've lost a bit of respect for you did you read everything i wrote?
And his real goal atm is irrelevant. I have an idea where you might be going, but at this point all is speculation. That's the God honest truth. Ever since the Naruto manga started, we have had Sasuke as someone Naruto used to look on as a rival, he was there from almost the start of the manga. Madara was shown to be alive and active well after halfway through the series(uptill now). Naruto himself said if they fought, they'd both die. Naruto has had an upgrade since, but so has Sasuke(EMS). Ultimate fight wise, these 2 having their showdown is almost definitely going to be it.
So you think madara taking harashma's power plus his mastery of the sharingan from the his days with the ems and now the rinnegan and procalming himself the 2nd sage of 6 paths IS irrelevant.
By the way the answer to my question he wants to be 2nd sage of 6 paths and become the jubbi's jinkuriki. But dont worry dude thats irrelevant.
The problem with you regardind Madara, becuase you see him as weak now(even though he pushed top class shinobi in his weakened state) you seem believe that will always be the case.
He hasn't even used a single sharingan technique but dodged amatasu lol. I guess will wait and see who the final villain will be out of sasuke and madara.
Yondaime Raikage
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you are incorrect in that he hasn't used a single shaingan power....he used Izanagi in the fight against Konan.
also, he was hit with amaterasu...he didn't dodge it, but how do you think he didn't burn?
and, since NO ONE is replying to this though, I'll post it again. (maybe I should make it a thread)
anyway, is it possible that Madara needs the former jinchuuriki for the juubi in his moon's eye plan? Look at the eyes of the juubi, and then the former hosts may have a role to play there instead of the battlefield....thoughts anyone?
you are incorrect in that he hasn't used a single shaingan power....he used Izanagi in the fight against Konan.
also, he was hit with amaterasu...he didn't dodge it, but how do you think he didn't burn?
and, since NO ONE is replying to this though, I'll post it again. (maybe I should make it a thread)
anyway, is it possible that Madara needs the former jinchuuriki for the juubi in his moon's eye plan? Look at the eyes of the juubi, and then the former hosts may have a role to play there instead of the battlefield....thoughts anyone?
Re: Why these 6 paths are weaker
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it looks like you just answered your own question......
he didn't take the second eye because he still wants his space time jutsus WHICH ARE ON HIS MANGEKYO and still get the benefits of RINNEGAN after doing the transplant
same happens with jinchurikis but with the benefits of sharingan(3 tomoe) instead of the benefits of MS....
now you feel me??
1. They never showed Madara with his mangekyuo in the current arc
2. I think you still don't get it. That power(space time) has so far been shown to be unique to madara, w/o him having been shown to activate his MS even once. There is no proof that MS of madara= space time power. Show me a single page from the manga which shows Madara with a MS in the current timeline. 3. My whole theory/argument is the new 6 paths do NOT have space time abilities, that's unique to Madara alone. They just have: one sharingan, one rinnegan. Nothing more.
just to say that there is one chapter and episode in the anime when itachi arrries in konoha and batles kakshi, kurenai and asuma, that he uses the tsukyomi(mangekyo tech) and his eye apears normal 3 tomoe sharingahn. it doesnt have to appear the mangekyo signal if the caracter isnt showing in front of the "screen " so to speek
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Originally Posted by Guildmage
it looks like you just answered your own question......
he didn't take the second eye because he still wants his space time jutsus WHICH ARE ON HIS MANGEKYO and still get the benefits of RINNEGAN after doing the transplant
same happens with jinchurikis but with the benefits of sharingan(3 tomoe) instead of the benefits of MS....
now you feel me??
1. They never showed Madara with his mangekyuo in the current arc
2. I think you still don't get it. That power(space time) has so far been shown to be unique to madara, w/o him having been shown to activate his MS even once. There is no proof that MS of madara= space time power. Show me a single page from the manga which shows Madara with a MS in the current timeline. 3. My whole theory/argument is the new 6 paths do NOT have space time abilities, that's unique to Madara alone. They just have: one sharingan, one rinnegan. Nothing more.
just to say that there is one chapter and episode in the anime when itachi arrries in konoha and batles kakshi, kurenai and asuma, that he uses the tsukyomi(mangekyo tech) and his eye apears normal 3 tomoe sharingahn. it doesnt have to appear the mangekyo signal if the caracter isnt showing in front of the "screen " so to speek
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Well we know there was difinitly contact so simply just using time-space jutsu to move around with thr flames on you won't help, how he got out of the situtaion is unknown per say but I suspect it was his phase shift jutsu. Meaning he abosrbed the attack with his phase shift jutsu which was revealed later on by kishi so he hid what he did exactly early on during that part of the manga when first sawe madara use any techs.
eyesofthekyuubi44
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1. Just because you only have ONE special eye, does not mean that you only have half of it's abilities. Only Mangekyo Sharingan is confirmed to have this because you need the double Mangekyo to use Susano'o. The Rinnegan doesn't have a next level up. You just have it. I'd actually say that because they have BOTH eyes, thus access to two different Kekkai Genkais, they'd be MORE powerful.
2. Okay, they don't have their bijuu. Itachi didn't have his eyes... Neither did Nagato, seeing as Madara took them. I'm sure they'll be able to use Tailed Beast powers because Kabuto said the technique affords the resurrected to use their own unique abilities (such as Itachi's Sharingan or Nagato's Rinnegan). Yes, they don't have the tailed beasts sealed in them, but honestly, Madara said that the "new six were composed of Jinchuuriki". Do you think he used those particular people for no reason?
On top of that, I'm sure their personalities been killed to make them easier to control.
Of course they aren't invincible, but they are damn near close... Able to regenerate, Rinnegan, Sharingan, and possible tailed beast abilities?
Nooby Kyuubi
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I think Madara's paths are stronger because they have 2 of the 3 great dojutsu, which is better than having just one. And you don't need 2 rinnegans to possess it's full power.
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SasukeMangekyo5
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Yeah but 1 Sharingan + 1 Rinnegan > 2 Rinnegans, it's no need for them to have two Rinnegans they have 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan so they are more powerul, since they have 2 strong Dojutsus and not only one.
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aerolle101
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Im thinking
maybe that sharringan that madara gave
has different special abilities that surpas the rinegan and of coures
u need to activate the sharingan first to change the shape ^^
maybe that sharringan that madara gave
has different special abilities that surpas the rinegan and of coures
u need to activate the sharingan first to change the shape ^^
It's hard to explain all my idea. So I just say that 1 Raningan is enough because they just Path clone of the real Raningan user Madara and also Madara put the Sharingan for those Path maybe he wants to them to use Izanagi...
Call Me Legit
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Hm, I've just read your thread but I havn't checked the comments, No flaming please.
In my opinion, I think Sharingan + Rinnegan is better than having either 2 rinnegans or 2 sharingans. First of all from my own knowledge after Observing the Rinnegan is that it's more of a Doujutsu which has extremelly powerful offence, Whilst the Sharingan is sort of a minor offense and more of defene, I say this because in the Manga you don't see the Rinnegan being used for defending by Pain/Madara, They seem to be using it more to attack from short and far range. Whilst the Sharingan itself has 3 forms and when you get to 3 tomoe sharingan, The user can predict their foes moves, See their enemies chakra flow and Hypnosis. I don't know about you but to me the Sharingan ability sounds more used for defense? However you can contradict this as Mangekyou Sharingan can further the abilities of a normal sharingan, Which then makes the Sharingan Offensive. (Itachi & Sasuke ~ Sasunoo, Amaterasu, Tsuyikomi | Kakashi ~ Kamui | Madara ~ His space/time jutsu.)
Now back on topic;
I actually think the actual reason Madara transplanted a Rinnegan and a Sharingan is because this will make the new "pain" even more powerful, They'll have extremelly powerful jutsu's from the Rinnegan and when they are in tough situations they may also use the Sharingan for defense? Therefore this will make them stronger and less likely to be attacked like how pain was attacked by Naruto.
Now tbh in my own opinion, I don't like this theory but for some reason I feel as if the pains are going to have MS and No, Not EMS but MS. I have a feeling they'll unlock a different MS which we haven't seen before? More powers? and I know Mangekyou Sharingan can only be unlocked by Uchiha's but what about Kakashi? Even though I don't like it, I find it to be possible. The 6 Pains will each unlock a different Mangekyou Sharingan.
Please if you're going to flame, Atleast be on tppic and show me evidence. I'm not saying I'm right, I would like to know how I'm wrong so I could correct myself. Thanks
In my opinion, I think Sharingan + Rinnegan is better than having either 2 rinnegans or 2 sharingans. First of all from my own knowledge after Observing the Rinnegan is that it's more of a Doujutsu which has extremelly powerful offence, Whilst the Sharingan is sort of a minor offense and more of defene, I say this because in the Manga you don't see the Rinnegan being used for defending by Pain/Madara, They seem to be using it more to attack from short and far range. Whilst the Sharingan itself has 3 forms and when you get to 3 tomoe sharingan, The user can predict their foes moves, See their enemies chakra flow and Hypnosis. I don't know about you but to me the Sharingan ability sounds more used for defense? However you can contradict this as Mangekyou Sharingan can further the abilities of a normal sharingan, Which then makes the Sharingan Offensive. (Itachi & Sasuke ~ Sasunoo, Amaterasu, Tsuyikomi | Kakashi ~ Kamui | Madara ~ His space/time jutsu.)
Now back on topic;
I actually think the actual reason Madara transplanted a Rinnegan and a Sharingan is because this will make the new "pain" even more powerful, They'll have extremelly powerful jutsu's from the Rinnegan and when they are in tough situations they may also use the Sharingan for defense? Therefore this will make them stronger and less likely to be attacked like how pain was attacked by Naruto.
Now tbh in my own opinion, I don't like this theory but for some reason I feel as if the pains are going to have MS and No, Not EMS but MS. I have a feeling they'll unlock a different MS which we haven't seen before? More powers? and I know Mangekyou Sharingan can only be unlocked by Uchiha's but what about Kakashi? Even though I don't like it, I find it to be possible. The 6 Pains will each unlock a different Mangekyou Sharingan.
Please if you're going to flame, Atleast be on tppic and show me evidence. I'm not saying I'm right, I would like to know how I'm wrong so I could correct myself. Thanks
You are both right and wrong…..
First of all, we can only speculate on what the new paths can do. The Rinnegan is the strongest doujutsu around, but we don’t know if only having one eye handicaps you. So, your equation might not add up here, since a Sharingan could potentially supplement the Rinnegan. Imagine having a 360 view plus being able to read your opponents movements (individually). Granted, we don’t know if the new path gets the old path’s powers, but I am pretty sure they will put up a great fight, because anything else would be anti-climatic and it would make Tobi look like a total tool. We will see some massive destruction before they get taken down.
Do you think Gaara is weak? He only held the one-tailed beast and he is now the Kazekage. Imagine what the others could do……They are all trained assassins, and we will hopefully see all their KGs’ and how they master the different elements.
The unknown factor is Kabuto, since it’s his jutsu and then the fact that he doesn’t want Madara to get too strong. It begs the question, why would Madara do this when he knows it isn’t his jutsu? And the fact that Kabuto can pull the rug under him, whenever he pleases. Another thing is Edo Tensei has been shown to be very weak, and they have previously been defeated easily by the opposition, so it might not change this time, but again the stakes are different with all the work Madara invested in these six jinchuurikis’ .
Eventually they will fall, but it will only be after some tough battles or more likely after Kabuto makes his move. Madara is counting on this, since all this wasn’t planned before Kabuto showed up, which means it is just an extra blow for the alliance, and it probably divert their intention for his real plans, thus they will probably go down quickly but not before a massive strike i.e they will make their mark someway or another
First of all, we can only speculate on what the new paths can do. The Rinnegan is the strongest doujutsu around, but we don’t know if only having one eye handicaps you. So, your equation might not add up here, since a Sharingan could potentially supplement the Rinnegan. Imagine having a 360 view plus being able to read your opponents movements (individually). Granted, we don’t know if the new path gets the old path’s powers, but I am pretty sure they will put up a great fight, because anything else would be anti-climatic and it would make Tobi look like a total tool. We will see some massive destruction before they get taken down.
Do you think Gaara is weak? He only held the one-tailed beast and he is now the Kazekage. Imagine what the others could do……They are all trained assassins, and we will hopefully see all their KGs’ and how they master the different elements.
The unknown factor is Kabuto, since it’s his jutsu and then the fact that he doesn’t want Madara to get too strong. It begs the question, why would Madara do this when he knows it isn’t his jutsu? And the fact that Kabuto can pull the rug under him, whenever he pleases. Another thing is Edo Tensei has been shown to be very weak, and they have previously been defeated easily by the opposition, so it might not change this time, but again the stakes are different with all the work Madara invested in these six jinchuurikis’ .
Eventually they will fall, but it will only be after some tough battles or more likely after Kabuto makes his move. Madara is counting on this, since all this wasn’t planned before Kabuto showed up, which means it is just an extra blow for the alliance, and it probably divert their intention for his real plans, thus they will probably go down quickly but not before a massive strike i.e they will make their mark someway or another
Nooby Kyuubi
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The paths share views so they can watch out for each other, and the addition of the 3 tomoe sharingan allows them to predict the opponent's next move which should make them very tough to fight.
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Problem here is simply too much "what if". All this 2 Rinnegan > 2 Sharingan or 1 Rinnegan, 1 Sharingan > 2 Rinnegan doesnt matter. It all comes down to the user. Think about it, if 2 rinnegan was like the ULTIMATE then why didn't Madara take both of Nagatos?
Probably because when it comes to the Rinnegan you DO NOT NEED BOTH. Now it is likely to be the same with the Sharingan. If Madara was going to loose some of his techs would have really risk that for the benefits of the Rinnegan? Probably not. I would say his time space jutsu just is not worth loosing. Lets face it, Madara is a pretty smart guy and has seen a LOT of the years. If he is going 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan surely that would suggest that that combo is rather insane?
Yes there is the whole Susanoo thing but getting TWO MS is not exactly easy. It is also debatable just how good it is. Ok it is rather insane but: how much chakra does it drain?
Now back to the actual thread. Are you really going to tell me that 6 jinchuuriki brought back to life by the main bad guy are going to be weaker than someone else? No one knows just how strong they might be. Imagine if they can have some of Madaras time space techs? Or they still have their bijuus? I think that overall these guys are gonna be pretty sick. Not even taking into account that in theory they are IMMORTAL.
Probably because when it comes to the Rinnegan you DO NOT NEED BOTH. Now it is likely to be the same with the Sharingan. If Madara was going to loose some of his techs would have really risk that for the benefits of the Rinnegan? Probably not. I would say his time space jutsu just is not worth loosing. Lets face it, Madara is a pretty smart guy and has seen a LOT of the years. If he is going 1 Rinnegan and 1 Sharingan surely that would suggest that that combo is rather insane?
Yes there is the whole Susanoo thing but getting TWO MS is not exactly easy. It is also debatable just how good it is. Ok it is rather insane but: how much chakra does it drain?
Now back to the actual thread. Are you really going to tell me that 6 jinchuuriki brought back to life by the main bad guy are going to be weaker than someone else? No one knows just how strong they might be. Imagine if they can have some of Madaras time space techs? Or they still have their bijuus? I think that overall these guys are gonna be pretty sick. Not even taking into account that in theory they are IMMORTAL.