[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 544 Discussion and 545 Predictions

[Malebolgia]

your logic is rediculous dexter.

Show me 2 sets of swords or STFU. There is 1 set of 7 swordsman swords...

Perhaps its YOU who should re-read the manga. In Itachis final minutes vs Sasuke, he loses his sight in his right eye first, then his second before he dies...

Has ANY uchiha EVER been shown to activate or deactivate just 1 eye???? The answer is NO. He abused his ameterasu and then his eye loses its sight...

How does it feel to get pwned?

Just putting in my two cents, Sasuke activated only one eye when he stabbed Danzo & Karin.

On another note, this chapter was full of nothing but talking about things we already know. I'm not pleased with this chapter at all. The storyline has been centered around Raikage and Bee for about 3 chapters now, they need to move on.

 

[59Slayer]

Madara is epic.I give da chapter a 5 but did i miss a chapter or are they ignoring Gaara's division?

 

[dexter64]

your logic is rediculous dexter.

Show me 2 sets of swords or STFU. There is 1 set of 7 swordsman swords...

Perhaps its YOU who should re-read the manga. In Itachis final minutes vs Sasuke, he loses his sight in his right eye first, then his second before he dies...

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Has ANY uchiha EVER been shown to activate or deactivate just 1 eye???? The answer is NO. He abused his ameterasu and then his eye loses its sight...

How does it feel to get pwned?

I WAS WRONG!!! I think your logic proved to be even worse than Naruto's.

As of now, my understanding is that at least there are 2 Severswords exist, 1 with Kakashi and 1 in the Samurai's or TSA's raided items. The Great and the Twins swords obviously only exist 1 piece each. The other 4 swords will depend on how Kishi wanted it to be. And you want to see 2 sets of the sword at the same time, what is the chances are for that to happened? Are you nuts? You will only see that happened if Kishi show us Suigetsu finally find his Seversword or someone from TSA decided to use it and take it out of the storage.

You have not seen Sasuke's new eyes and Itachi's together but why you stopped your previous arguments that the eyes of the summoned Itachi were the vessels' eyes? Are you believing that there are 2 pair of Itachi's eyes exist as of now?

Itachi uses his left eye for Tsukuyomi, he used his right eye for Amaterasu, he used both eyes to perform Susanoo. Here are something I copied from

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read it carefully. "As a member of the Uchiha clan, Sasuke possesses the Sharingan, the clan's Kekkei Genkai. It first developed during Itachi's departure from Konoha after the Uchiha clan massacre, with one tomoe in each eye, but Sasuke would later forget he had activated the Sharingan due to being traumatized by the incident. He was able to reactivate it for the first time during the battle with Haku on the Great Naruto Bridge, where he had one tomoe in his left eye, and two in his right. By the time of his fight with Rock Lee it had matured into two tomoe in each eye. It eventually reached completion, with three tomoe in each eye, during his battle with Naruto at the Valley of the End near the end of Part I." and these from the same link above "Unlike Itachi, Sasuke's Amaterasu comes from his left eye, and his genjutsu comes from his right eye, along with his ability to manipulate and extinguish the black flames." What was your question again? Obviously Itachi and Sasuke could activate and deactivate only 1 eye at will.

Let's see how your logic work for a change.
How about you explain what happened in these events? If you can't explain why you believe your arguments are true and convince US that you are correct then I suggest YOU STFU!!!
1. How the summoned Zabusa got his sword?
2. How the summoned Hanzo got his chained sickle?
3. Why Madara implant Itachi's eyes to Sasuke if it has lost its light?

 

[Bear]

I WAS WRONG!!! I think your logic proved to be even worse than Naruto's.

As of now, my understanding is that at least there are 2 Severswords exist, 1 with Kakashi and 1 in the Samurai's or TSA's raided items. The Great and the Twins swords obviously only exist 1 piece each. The other 4 swords will depend on how Kishi wanted it to be. And you want to see 2 sets of the sword at the same time, what is the chances are for that to happened? Are you nuts? You will only see that happened if Kishi show us Suigetsu finally find his Seversword or someone from TSA decided to use it and take it out of the storage.

You have not seen Sasuke's new eyes and Itachi's together but why you stopped your previous arguments that the eyes of the summoned Itachi were the vessels' eyes? Are you believing that there are 2 pair of Itachi's eyes exist as of now?

Itachi uses his left eye for Tsukuyomi, he used his right eye for Amaterasu, he used both eyes to perform Susanoo. Here are something I copied from

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read it carefully. "As a member of the Uchiha clan, Sasuke possesses the Sharingan, the clan's Kekkei Genkai. It first developed during Itachi's departure from Konoha after the Uchiha clan massacre, with one tomoe in each eye, but Sasuke would later forget he had activated the Sharingan due to being traumatized by the incident. He was able to reactivate it for the first time during the battle with Haku on the Great Naruto Bridge, where he had one tomoe in his left eye, and two in his right. By the time of his fight with Rock Lee it had matured into two tomoe in each eye. It eventually reached completion, with three tomoe in each eye, during his battle with Naruto at the Valley of the End near the end of Part I." and these from the same link above "Unlike Itachi, Sasuke's Amaterasu comes from his left eye, and his genjutsu comes from his right eye, along with his ability to manipulate and extinguish the black flames." What was your question again? Obviously Itachi and Sasuke could activate and deactivate only 1 eye at will.

Let's see how your logic work for a change.
How about you explain what happened in these events? If you can't explain why you believe your arguments are true and convince US that you are correct then I suggest YOU STFU!!!
1. How the summoned Zabusa got his sword?
2. How the summoned Hanzo got his chained sickle?
3. Why Madara implant Itachi's eyes to Sasuke if it has lost its light?

Just putting it out there that in chapter 523 where it shows them summoned, Zabuzas sword is broke in half, just like when Suigetsu had it snapped in half by the Raikage, so it seems to me that it is the same sword

 

[theDoctor36]

can naruto be the new yellow flash? minato's speed was exceptional.will naruto be able to surpass him? we only have to w8...chills...

 

[Sheldon Cooper]

The best chapter!!!!

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

I think Naruto will help fighting those Zetsu clones and it will give the Alliance an advantage. But if so then Naruto will tire down when the big boys that is Madara, Sasuke and Kabuto comes in the front line. Then who will be able to stop them.

 

[dexter64]

Just putting it out there that in chapter 523 where it shows them summoned, Zabuzas sword is broke in half, just like when Suigetsu had it snapped in half by the Raikage, so it seems to me that it is the same sword

Good point. Yes, I am aware of that, I assume you talked about

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however, after that page, what I see are a series of pictures that look like a complete sword and it is confirmed when you take a look at this

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there you see the complete sword. I know that the sword can mend itself, but seriously, can it mend in only a few minutes? If it can, then why it didn't mend itself within a few minutes after being broken?

That's why I think that the picture of the sword on

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was incorrectly drawn, unless you have a better explanation?

 

[Mushrooms]

Dexter64,

The sword cannot instantly repair itself. It needs blood to fully recreate itself again. That's why we see it being mended (on the second link you posted) when it's covered in blood.

 

[dexter64]

Dexter64,

The sword cannot instantly repair itself. It needs blood to fully recreate itself again. That's why we see it being mended (on the second link you posted) when it's covered in blood.

I knew that it can repair itself using iron from the blood, but the questions are:
1. If it's the same sword that got broken by raikage then how Zabusa got it?
2. Where was the broken piece?
3. When Zabusa reattached the pieces together?
4. How much blood it needed? If I remember correctly it's only nick Kakashi. Is it enough?

However this whole thing is caused by a theory that all summoned ones had no weapons with them. Which I thought I have broken that theory by showing Zabusa, Hanzo, and Kin-Gin brothers as the examples. However, this discussion gave us more questions that haven't been answered. If the above theory was correct then how you explain Zabusa's, Hanzo's and Kin-Gin brother's weapons.

If my theory was right that all summoned ones had all their weapons that were theirs at the moment of their death then the simple explanation about the picture will be it's a wrong drawing.

Well, anyway looks like we have to wait for chapters ahead or the anime to find out.

 

[kyuubinaru]

@ Dexter64. The reason Zabuza had his sword is because he was the orginal weilder of the great beheader. Once he was summoned the sword at its present state was summoned with him. Sugestsu stole it from Zabuza's grave and that didn't constitute him being he new weilder of the sword and now that Zabuza is "back" the sword goes with him. Also, as Mushrooms said, the sword needs blood the repair itself. That's why it repaired for Zabuza, he was mowing people down and it was repairing itself with the iron in the blood.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Its really been a long time since we last saw Sasuke. Its about time we see his EMS.

 

[BarBoBot]

I knew that it can repair itself using iron from the blood, but the questions are:
1. If it's the same sword that got broken by raikage then how Zabusa got it?
2. Where was the broken piece?
3. When Zabusa reattached the pieces together?
4. How much blood it needed? If I remember correctly it's only nick Kakashi. Is it enough?

However this whole thing is caused by a theory that all summoned ones had no weapons with them. Which I thought I have broken that theory by showing Zabusa, Hanzo, and Kin-Gin brothers as the examples. However, this discussion gave us more questions that haven't been answered. If the above theory was correct then how you explain Zabusa's, Hanzo's and Kin-Gin brother's weapons.

If my theory was right that all summoned ones had all their weapons that were theirs at the moment of their death then the simple explanation about the picture will be it's a wrong drawing.

Well, anyway looks like we have to wait for chapters ahead or the anime to find out.

first off, There is only 1 beheader, and Kakashi currently has it...

Do you even realize there is a war going on???? Zabuza was cutting people up and regenerating the sword the whole time....It started as a broken sword, and was completely regenerated by the time Zabuza was swinging at Kakashi.


second, I didnt think I needed to explain itachis eyes any further, but apparently me and all the other peeps who agreed with me after that post are wrong, right?

Itachis SOUL is in a SACRIFICED BODY.....his REAL body AS WELL AS HIS EYES never got summoned with IWR.

His REAL eyes are presumed to be in Sasuke, and his edo tensei summon is just a sacrificed body with HIS SOUL IN IT... Are you that dense that you cant get that?

here is zabuza with the broken beheader that broke when suigetsu had it....you tard

With YOUR logic, zabuza should have had the unbroken sword that he had when he died....oh, but he doesnt now does he????

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as for the gin/kin bros having their weapons, clearly they summoned them. They barfed them up, but the weapons were not REALLY in their stomach...its a summon tech or time space tech just like oro used to spit out swords. They did not walk around with a ****ing gourd, a rope, and some swords in Ginkakus stomach.....its likely a time/space tech thats allows you to store the weapons ....again, just like orochimaru has done several times.

 

[BarBoBot]

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you still need to know how zabuza got his sword???

look at the page. First zabuza jumps towards the coffins, then they begin to open, and someone who we cant see (zetsu) throws the sword to zabuza. The sword is in motion and the sound effects say swoosh.

How would zetsu have it???? Oh thats right, he was at the kage summit where suigetsu lost it....and zetsu can travel long ditances underground at high speed.

:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

 

[dexter64]

@ Dexter64. The reason Zabuza had his sword is because he was the orginal weilder of the great beheader. Once he was summoned the sword at its present state was summoned with him. Sugestsu stole it from Zabuza's grave and that didn't constitute him being he new weilder of the sword and now that Zabuza is "back" the sword goes with him. Also, as Mushrooms said, the sword needs blood the repair itself. That's why it repaired for Zabuza, he was mowing people down and it was repairing itself with the iron in the blood.

Again the problem with this reasoning is that it doesn't explain why the others don't have their swords. And if this reasoning is true then doesn't it means that sasuke implant was also "canceled" (so to speak). One more thing that I think prove that this reasoning correct is that Shikamaru has Asuma's chakra blade and it wasn't "go back" to Asuma.

I think nobody planned to die, but once you died you gave up your possessions in this world (at least that's the general consensus). So if everything left behind were still considered as the deceased's possessions then whoever take, store or/and use it should be considered as a thief, regardless of who the next user is. Or are there a lot of exceptions to that?

Now I always think that there should be a simple rule to anything and if there is exception then it should be minimal. So please let's not argue next time about the definition of stealing, and how to determine if certain act could be regarded as stealing or if the relationship between the deceased and the new user will determine the act of stealing.

 

[GaaraXSakura4eva]

I don't think Sasuke will become the Hokage. Naruto will be the next Hokage, believe it!


However, I do believe that someone important will die. I have a feeling that it will either be Tsunade, Kakashi, Sakura, or Sasuke. Tsunade because she is the last of the Sannin, used a power that decreases her lifespan, and would most likely request Naruto to be her successor. Kakashi because Sasuke has made it clear that he no longer has any bonds with anyone. At the Team 7 fight, after Danzo was killed, Sakura and Kakashi had lost faith in Sasuke. Naruto is the only person that believes there is still good in Sasuke. Even Karin had lost faith after she feels his chakra become darker. (She has a special chakra that allows her to feel other chakra down to the tenor of it)[good or evil] Sakura because of the hospital incident during the first Chunin exams. I think it was a foreshadow of some sort. Sasuke because he has given up his past and heads towards a darker future. I think he may change sides at the last moment and sacrifice himself to save Naruto. Remember when Sasuke was with Orochimaru? The Nine-Tails had told Sasuke that killing Naruto would be his greatest regret. I wonder if that was a foreshadow?

Personally, I don't want anyone to die, but it wouldn't be a great story if a bunch of nameless faces and big time enemies only fall.

BTW, quit fighting over Edo Tensei! The humans that are brought back have all their abilities, including kekai genkai. Swords and any other kinds of weapon cannot be brought back because they never had a life force (soul) nor DNA. I had already mentioned to everyone that the explanation can be found in Chapter 520 starting on page 10. Remember Suigetsu and Jugo were captured during the Kage Summit. It's possible that Madara had retrieved Zabuza's sword with his time/space jutsu. Please read all details in the manga chapters before starting an argument. Some of you sound silly because you are lacking in proof. :flaw:

 

[dexter64]

first off, There is only 1 beheader, and Kakashi currently has it...

Do you even realize there is a war going on???? Zabuza was cutting people up and regenerating the sword the whole time....It started as a broken sword, and was completely regenerated by the time Zabuza was swinging at Kakashi.


second, I didnt think I needed to explain itachis eyes any further, but apparently me and all the other peeps who agreed with me after that post are wrong, right?

Itachis SOUL is in a SACRIFICED BODY.....his REAL body AS WELL AS HIS EYES never got summoned with IWR.

His REAL eyes are presumed to be in Sasuke, and his edo tensei summon is just a sacrificed body with HIS SOUL IN IT... Are you that dense that you cant get that?

here is zabuza with the broken beheader that broke when suigetsu had it....you tard

With YOUR logic, zabuza should have had the unbroken sword that he had when he died....oh, but he doesnt now does he????

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as for the gin/kin bros having their weapons, clearly they summoned them. They barfed them up, but the weapons were not REALLY in their stomach...its a summon tech or time space tech just like oro used to spit out swords. They did not walk around with a ****ing gourd, a rope, and some swords in Ginkakus stomach.....its likely a time/space tech thats allows you to store the weapons ....again, just like orochimaru has done several times.

you still need to know how zabuza got his sword???

look at the page. First zabuza jumps towards the coffins, then they begin to open, and someone who we cant see (zetsu) throws the sword to zabuza. The sword is in motion and the sound effects say swoosh.

How would zetsu have it???? Oh thats right, he was at the kage summit where suigetsu lost it....and zetsu can travel long ditances underground at high speed.

:flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw::flaw:

Now that's what I asked you to do all along, proves.

Yes in case of Zabusa you are right. Although I don't think Zetsu took it at the time of Kage summits, even Madara didn't know about the IWR army at that time (He has not met Kabuto yet). It must be after the kage summit.

About Kin/Gin brothers, the 1st time they appeared in the manga they has some of their weapon already with them and some like you said they summoned at the battle field.

However even if you are correct about weapons and IWR, then it raise another question that is interesting. How you get the scrolls or whatever former weapons you used? Yes, you happened to know where Zabusa's sword was and retrieve it, but how you know where to find the scrolls or the weapons of the others? Most of them were killed in battlefield or a fight so obviously they carry the scrolls and/or the weapons with them at the time of their death, and it would be almost impossible for the victor to leave those alone and therefore make it almost impossible for anyone to find it. If you were the one who killed the Kin/Gin brothers would you leave the weapons alone?

About Itachi's eyes I knew and got your points, but you don't get mine. The summoned ones has all their powers intact including their eyes. With IWR the bodies, the bloods, the eyes of the vessels transformed into the bodies, the bloods, the eyes of the summoned ones. It's power and abilities are exactly the same as the original, in essence there exist a set of them. That's how I look at it. If that's not how you want to look then that's fine, I don't ask you to agree with me.

 

[dexter64]

BTW, quit fighting over Edo Tensei! The humans that are brought back have all their abilities, including kekai genkai. Swords and any other kinds of weapon cannot be brought back because they never had a life force (soul) nor DNA. I had already mentioned to everyone that the explanation can be found in Chapter 520 starting on page 10. Remember Suigetsu and Jugo were captured during the Kage Summit. It's possible that Madara had retrieved Zabuza's sword with his time/space jutsu. Please read all details in the manga chapters before starting an argument. Some of you sound silly because you are lacking in proof. :flaw:

That is absolutely correct. It always hard if ego got in the way, but that's human nature I guess. I wish you jump in sooner and provide the proofs yourself. Please jump in and enlighten us about my question in my previous post (about scrolls and weapons) if you had the answer or theory. Anyway thank you.

 

[Wookman]

Gave it a 4 cause the story's getting gay and stuff again. More and more about Kushina and Minato is getting the main storyline nowhere. But just can't overlook the Yellow flash move. I was already wondering why he hadn't used it before. I was scared it had some kind of a timer before it can be used again. Like that gravity tech Pain had.

Also, the awesome moment was the one with the previous hosts. I just don't get one thing - did Madara entrust their beasts back to them? Because if he did, he could only put a little bit back, cause he's used a lot of chakra on Zetsu clones already, and that statue (gedo mazo, is it?) weakens each time they pull out a beast. I mean, it would make sense since it gets stronger from the sealing of more tailed beasts.

And finally, the moves and techs of those shinobi - I really liked Utakata in the anime, I hope he's even better here. And Yagura seems to kick ass, as well as the girl with the 2-tailed cat. They were perfect hosts as I recall. This is going to be FUN!

 

[Cooldragon]

Who was those people at the end of the chapter????

They're the jinchurikis for the twotailed to seventailed beasts.