Jiriaya = Strongest ninja ever?

[twistedlink]

omg.......
1)tsukiyomi wouldn't even effect j-man.
2)amaterasu can't catch j-man.
3)susanou can't catch him in hermit mode.
jiraiya is too DEFENSIVE.
once he activates susanou, jiraiya just gets inside a frog until itachi uses up his chakra.
then BAM jiraiya bitch slaps emo fag.
end of story.

also the whole theory of itachi running from jiraiya BECAUSE he didn't WANT to fight a comrade is stupid. it didn't stop itachi from bringing kakashi to near-death twice. why would he almost kill kakashi and not touch jiraiya? because he's a scared little uchiha biatch.

Considering your signature youre a J man fan, isnt it a little sad to be such a fan of a fictional character that you put such strong points into a hypothetical situation??

It is very evident itachi didnt want to fight with jiraiya because he said EXACTLY "Even if we got more akatsuki members, the result would be the same"

Pein whooped J mans ass, that result is the same, itachi knew he could defeat J man, and used certain wordings to make kisame follow him, instead of outright saying "dude, im not really much of a fan of akatsuki, do we have to do this?"


Also itachi hated fighting, he only fought when someone attacked, and if i remember rightly kakashi instigated and provoked BOTH fights.


as for your numbering

1.J man said explicitly that he was not good at defending Genjutsu, he said this on the boat with naruto when training him to defend against it, tsukyomi is the best weapon to attack jiraiya with for that very reason.

2.Its amazing how you can know exact speeds of these shinobi when all we have seen is pictures, amaterasu has shown to be extremely fast, and spread extremely wide areas, within minutes of itachi using it, it was big enough to change the environment around them.
Also itachi is known to make seals faster than even kakashi, and move faster than any other ninja known, his attacks are fast and efficient, to say whether theyre faster or slower than J man is impossible, until we see the anime and even then, its still rough guesswork on what our eyes see and how the animators draw it

3.i dont believe susanos job is to "catch" shinobi, not just that but it caught orochimaru pretty fast, if jiraiya is so much faster than susano, then jiraiya is a HELL OF A LOT faster than orochimaru, which begs the question, why do we know J man and orochimaru have been rivals since forever, and how come each time orochimaru has escaped with no permanent damage at all.

Oro and J man are obviously equal in power, and orochimaru personally is stronger given how he had no trouble against J man EVEN WITH DEAD ARMS and not able to make any jutsus, sure J man was poisoned, but he was still able to use seals, jutsus, and summons, just not AS effectively, but guess what, oro couldnt use any at all, that puts J man at an advantage, and oro still had no attacks against him, he got away totally unscathed from J man.

4.I love the way you seem to think him going inside the belly of the toad makes the toad invincible to susano?

I also love the way you think itachi (one of the smartest shinobi around) would stand around aimlessly and waste chakra.

Sorry but you obviously havent thought about the sheer schematics and probabilities of the fight outcome at all, youre just following J man around like a fan-girl with a "J man can do anything" attitude.

I dont particularly like Itachi THAT much, im not a fan of the whole sharingan worshipping in the series and as soon as the uchiha piss off the better the series will be, but there is no denying that itachi was strong enough to keep madara from making his plans, even with pein konan and zetsu under his full control and order.

Logically doesnt that suggest Itachi was a severe threat to madara and his plans?

Which shows itachi had the strength to equalise, or beat pein, and madara.

Pein of which whooped J mans ass, and madara of which COMMANDS PEIN, logically suggesting Madara is stronger than pein, logically suggesting itachi is stronger than pein too, and therefore J man.




Itachi has yatas mirror, it doesnt require chakra, it is a legendary item that deflects ALL attacks, zetsu himself said itachi is invincible.

J man at the very best, as with all other ninja, can only equalise and escape from itachi.

Itachi NEEDED to "save" his little brother, he needed to get him into a corner with nothing left, yatas mirror made that job a helluva lot easier, and he would make sure such an item had no hidden weakness.

Every legendary item so far lives up to the hype, and hasnt been broken etc.

 

[SAKumono26]

Considering your signature youre a J man fan, isnt it a little sad to be such a fan of a fictional character that you put such strong points into a hypothetical situation??

It is very evident itachi didnt want to fight with jiraiya because he said EXACTLY "Even if we got more akatsuki members, the result would be the same"

Pein whooped J mans ass, that result is the same, itachi knew he could defeat J man, and used certain wordings to make kisame follow him, instead of outright saying "dude, im not really much of a fan of akatsuki, do we have to do this?"


Also itachi hated fighting, he only fought when someone attacked, and if i remember rightly kakashi instigated and provoked BOTH fights.


as for your numbering

1.J man said explicitly that he was not good at defending Genjutsu, he said this on the boat with naruto when training him to defend against it, tsukyomi is the best weapon to attack jiraiya with for that very reason.

2.Its amazing how you can know exact speeds of these shinobi when all we have seen is pictures, amaterasu has shown to be extremely fast, and spread extremely wide areas, within minutes of itachi using it, it was big enough to change the environment around them.
Also itachi is known to make seals faster than even kakashi, and move faster than any other ninja known, his attacks are fast and efficient, to say whether theyre faster or slower than J man is impossible, until we see the anime and even then, its still rough guesswork on what our eyes see and how the animators draw it

3.i dont believe susanos job is to "catch" shinobi, not just that but it caught orochimaru pretty fast, if jiraiya is so much faster than susano, then jiraiya is a HELL OF A LOT faster than orochimaru, which begs the question, why do we know J man and orochimaru have been rivals since forever, and how come each time orochimaru has escaped with no permanent damage at all.

Oro and J man are obviously equal in power, and orochimaru personally is stronger given how he had no trouble against J man EVEN WITH DEAD ARMS and not able to make any jutsus, sure J man was poisoned, but he was still able to use seals, jutsus, and summons, just not AS effectively, but guess what, oro couldnt use any at all, that puts J man at an advantage, and oro still had no attacks against him, he got away totally unscathed from J man.

4.I love the way you seem to think him going inside the belly of the toad makes the toad invincible to susano?

I also love the way you think itachi (one of the smartest shinobi around) would stand around aimlessly and waste chakra.

Sorry but you obviously havent thought about the sheer schematics and probabilities of the fight outcome at all, youre just following J man around like a fan-girl with a "J man can do anything" attitude.

I dont particularly like Itachi THAT much, im not a fan of the whole sharingan worshipping in the series and as soon as the uchiha piss off the better the series will be, but there is no denying that itachi was strong enough to keep madara from making his plans, even with pein konan and zetsu under his full control and order.

Logically doesnt that suggest Itachi was a severe threat to madara and his plans?

Which shows itachi had the strength to equalise, or beat pein, and madara.

Pein of which whooped J mans ass, and madara of which COMMANDS PEIN, logically suggesting Madara is stronger than pein, logically suggesting itachi is stronger than pein too, and therefore J man.




Itachi has yatas mirror, it doesnt require chakra, it is a legendary item that deflects ALL attacks, zetsu himself said itachi is invincible.

J man at the very best, as with all other ninja, can only equalise and escape from itachi.

Itachi NEEDED to "save" his little brother, he needed to get him into a corner with nothing left, yatas mirror made that job a helluva lot easier, and he would make sure such an item had no hidden weakness.

Every legendary item so far lives up to the hype, and hasnt been broken etc.

i kinda agree U_U

 

[Steinbiz]

Considering your signature youre a J man fan, isnt it a little sad to be such a fan of a fictional character that you put such strong points into a hypothetical situation??

It is very evident itachi didnt want to fight with jiraiya because he said EXACTLY "Even if we got more akatsuki members, the result would be the same"

Pein whooped J mans ass, that result is the same, itachi knew he could defeat J man, and used certain wordings to make kisame follow him, instead of outright saying "dude, im not really much of a fan of akatsuki, do we have to do this?"


Also itachi hated fighting, he only fought when someone attacked, and if i remember rightly kakashi instigated and provoked BOTH fights.


as for your numbering

1.J man said explicitly that he was not good at defending Genjutsu, he said this on the boat with naruto when training him to defend against it, tsukyomi is the best weapon to attack jiraiya with for that very reason.

2.Its amazing how you can know exact speeds of these shinobi when all we have seen is pictures, amaterasu has shown to be extremely fast, and spread extremely wide areas, within minutes of itachi using it, it was big enough to change the environment around them.
Also itachi is known to make seals faster than even kakashi, and move faster than any other ninja known, his attacks are fast and efficient, to say whether theyre faster or slower than J man is impossible, until we see the anime and even then, its still rough guesswork on what our eyes see and how the animators draw it

3.i dont believe susanos job is to "catch" shinobi, not just that but it caught orochimaru pretty fast, if jiraiya is so much faster than susano, then jiraiya is a HELL OF A LOT faster than orochimaru, which begs the question, why do we know J man and orochimaru have been rivals since forever, and how come each time orochimaru has escaped with no permanent damage at all.

Oro and J man are obviously equal in power, and orochimaru personally is stronger given how he had no trouble against J man EVEN WITH DEAD ARMS and not able to make any jutsus, sure J man was poisoned, but he was still able to use seals, jutsus, and summons, just not AS effectively, but guess what, oro couldnt use any at all, that puts J man at an advantage, and oro still had no attacks against him, he got away totally unscathed from J man.

4.I love the way you seem to think him going inside the belly of the toad makes the toad invincible to susano?

I also love the way you think itachi (one of the smartest shinobi around) would stand around aimlessly and waste chakra.

Sorry but you obviously havent thought about the sheer schematics and probabilities of the fight outcome at all, youre just following J man around like a fan-girl with a "J man can do anything" attitude.

I dont particularly like Itachi THAT much, im not a fan of the whole sharingan worshipping in the series and as soon as the uchiha piss off the better the series will be, but there is no denying that itachi was strong enough to keep madara from making his plans, even with pein konan and zetsu under his full control and order.

Logically doesnt that suggest Itachi was a severe threat to madara and his plans?

Which shows itachi had the strength to equalise, or beat pein, and madara.

Pein of which whooped J mans ass, and madara of which COMMANDS PEIN, logically suggesting Madara is stronger than pein, logically suggesting itachi is stronger than pein too, and therefore J man.




Itachi has yatas mirror, it doesnt require chakra, it is a legendary item that deflects ALL attacks, zetsu himself said itachi is invincible.

J man at the very best, as with all other ninja, can only equalise and escape from itachi.

Itachi NEEDED to "save" his little brother, he needed to get him into a corner with nothing left, yatas mirror made that job a helluva lot easier, and he would make sure such an item had no hidden weakness.

Every legendary item so far lives up to the hype, and hasnt been broken etc.

jiraiya never said he wasn't good at defending against genjutsu. he said he wasn't much of a genjutsu user. pein could DESTROY itachi. and jiraiya's jutsu are too defensive for susanou. jiraiya wins. itachi loses. it seems we can't convince each other cuz im never gunna give up so if i was you i would just quit making long posts about it ROFL. go look up jiraiya vs itachi poll in google. numbers don't lie. jiraiya PWNS itachi in like every poll.

u can keep being itachi's butt buddy but don't go crying to me about it.

 

[twistedlink]

jiraiya never said he wasn't good at defending against genjutsu. he said he wasn't much of a genjutsu user. pein could DESTROY itachi. and jiraiya's jutsu are too defensive for susanou. jiraiya wins. itachi loses. it seems we can't convince each other cuz im never gunna give up so if i was you i would just quit making long posts about it ROFL. go look up jiraiya vs itachi poll in google. numbers don't lie. jiraiya PWNS itachi in like every poll.

u can keep being itachi's butt buddy but don't go crying to me about it.

Hes still rubbish against genjutsu, its his weakest spot, therefore tsukyomi is the best attack against him.

Pein could destroy itachi?

How come?

YATAS MIRROR

do you even read the manga?

If you do you know yatas mirror makes it impossible to attack itachi, either youre so ignorant you just wont listen to reason or you dont read the manga.

Not just that but madara was threatened by itachi, madara never put direct plans into action until itachi was killed, meaning madara knew itachi could beat him or give him problems, and as madara orders pein around, this transitive inference suggests itachi must be more powerful than pein, and as pein beat J man, itachi must be stronger than J man.

Its simple transitive inference, A>B>C

As to polls, thats about character popularity, not what people know, YOU YOURSELF prove people have certain fight outcome opinions by mere loving of a character.

The polls dont prove squat, only that people LIKE jiraiya more than itachi, boy what a big surprise that is.

Come back when you can actually fairly put in a fight schematic that sounds reasonable than general statements that prove nothing in a "HA TOLD YOU SO" kind of way.

It makes you sound like an 10 year old.

 

[Steinbiz]

Hes still rubbish against genjutsu, its his weakest spot, therefore tsukyomi is the best attack against him.

Pein could destroy itachi?

How come?

YATAS MIRROR

do you even read the manga?

If you do you know yatas mirror makes it impossible to attack itachi, either youre so ignorant you just wont listen to reason or you dont read the manga.

Not just that but madara was threatened by itachi, madara never put direct plans into action until itachi was killed, meaning madara knew itachi could beat him or give him problems, and as madara orders pein around, this transitive inference suggests itachi must be more powerful than pein, and as pein beat J man, itachi must be stronger than J man.

Its simple transitive inference, A>B>C

As to polls, thats about character popularity, not what people know, YOU YOURSELF prove people have certain fight outcome opinions by mere loving of a character.

The polls dont prove squat, only that people LIKE jiraiya more than itachi, boy what a big surprise that is.

Come back when you can actually fairly put in a fight schematic that sounds reasonable than general statements that prove nothing in a "HA TOLD YOU SO" kind of way.

It makes you sound like an 10 year old.

do u really think susanou can beat jiraiya??????

JIRAIYA IS TOO DEFENSIVE!!! OMG

have you ever heard of his transparency jutsu he invented for peeking at girls. he could easily use that to escape. he didn't use it against pein because he needed to learn his secret.

as for "oh em gee yatas mirror" jiraiya can just peace out til he's done being invincible. he can't hold susanou there forever. and of course madara doesn't kill itachi, he needs him for akatsuki's "so called" goal. after that he doesn't care what happens to itachi or anyone.

and did you really refer to the "omg your a 10 year old noob kid" comback???

come back to me when you give a good reason hermit mode couldn't dodge susanou. til then.....JIRAIYA WINS. woot woot

 

[twistedlink]

Again, why do you think itachi will stand around with susano out wasting chakra???

Your problem is youre making itachi a dumbass who has no skill, when obviously he is the opposite, youre also obviously rambling in a fangirl esque way.

Again, actually make a proper schematic and reasonable ideas and theories and il listen, until then, youre rambling.

yatas mirror also doesnt run out of chakra, also itachi was out of chakra as sasuke said, and he unleashed susano, suggesting susano doesnt require massive chakra amounts.

 

[Steinbiz]

Again, why do you think itachi will stand around with susano out wasting chakra???

Your problem is youre making itachi a dumbass who has no skill, when obviously he is the opposite, youre also obviously rambling in a fangirl esque way.

Again, actually make a proper schematic and reasonable ideas and theories and il listen, until then, youre rambling.

yatas mirror also doesnt run out of chakra, also itachi was out of chakra as sasuke said, and he unleashed susano, suggesting susano doesnt require massive chakra amounts.

for one im not the one rambling. and im NOT saying itachi is a dumbass. but if jiraiya had common sense (which he does) he would just hide til itachi drops susanou. then attack with his needle barrage thingy. which is too fast for itachi.

 

[HeMenace]

Okay guys, susano has the sword of totsuka and yatas mirror, J-man cant hurt itachi one single bit if itachi released susano from the beginning of the fight, and even worse itachi has amaterasu which doesnt require the user to look into the sharingan.

Were also forgetting the fact that itachi can use very advanced genjutsu with his fingers, and J man stated clearly hes not that good at attacking or defending with genjutsu.

In fact the one weakness J man has is genjutsu, making itachi, the most strongest genjutsu user ever known so far, his worst opponent ever.

I dont like uchihas, and i hate the overuse of sharingan, but you cant put personal annoyances into the equation.

Itachi would win hands down against Jiraiya.

Orochimaru is extremely powerful, at the very worst he is on the same level as Jiraiya, at best, better than Jiraiya, and itachi got rid of orochimaru in seconds with susano.




I am truly amazed you can work out exact figures of speed from non animated pictures.

Its a talent very few of us in the world have.



J man wouldnt win against itachi because of yatas mirror, at best J man can only draw with itachi, the problem is itachi can simply wear J man out, itachi has a literal unbreakable defence, he can use little chakra and make J man have to continuously dodge, deflect, and attack.

Before you know it J man will start to slow down, and his attacks will get shoddier.

J man would lose.

Itachi is the Number 1 strongest ninja so far for the mere fact no attack can ever hurt him, the best anyone can do against itachi is draw, and run away when they realise no attack will work.

WOW!! ur crazy to say that Itachi is the #1 strongest Ninja, When someone is trapped in a Genjutsu, u kinda have to over power it, n Jaraiya can do that, Itachi has a limit among of chakra bcuz he was always complaining about he has to rest everytime he used a techic, Unlike Jaraiya has large amongs of chakra becuz thats the only way you can learn Nature Chakra control. If sasgay and madara got away from amateretsu why could and exp. fighter like jaraiya cant?? Susano... j-man just has to trap him in a toads stomach n leave him their, J-,man thanks to pa and ma has one or the most powerful Genjutsu. Come on man down underestimate a fighter clearly in his prime that traveled and has lots of fighting exp. And dont compare Orochimaru wit J-man, Orochimaru has wasted most of his years tryin to be inmortal or live forever.

 

[QwertyHero]

Damn, I feel bad for twistedlink, stuck arguing with imbeciles.
''Jiraiya is too defensive.''
?
If you go back and read the chapters where Jiraiya fought Pein, he hardly used any defensive jutsu's, he merely relied on his quick thinking and speed to get out of jams.
The only defensive jutsu he used was after Pein blew his arm off, he created that like weird pond thing that disguised his position, and bought him some time.
Plus, Jiraiya wasn't that fast in hermit mode, I've tried to look for any signs that would show Jiraiya was moving super fast in hermit mode, and I've found none.
His speed most likely increased, but not drastically.
And for one, yes, Itachi is one of the strongest shinobi ever.
Definitely in the top 5.
Like I said before, the only reason Itachi fled the toad stomach was because he didn't want to fight Konoha, and he knew Konoha Jonin were on his ass and he didn't want to be killed, the only logical thing to do is flee.
Another thing, yes, Itachi ordered Kisame to fight Konoha, but that's the thing, he never fought Konoha directly until he was attacked.
Like Twisted said, Itachi HATED fighting, especially against Konoha, the only reason he fought was to save his ass.
Oh!
This is funny, ''If sasgay and madara got away from amateretsu why could and exp. fighter like jaraiya cant''
For one, Madara has a space/time jutsu.
SPACE/TIME JUTSU!
That has NOTHING to do with natural speed.
and Sasuke never evaded Amaterasu!
He got hit by it, but bailed himself out by using Orochimaru's substitution jutsu.
One more thing..''but if jiraiya had common sense (which he does) he would just hide til itachi drops susanou. then attack with his needle barrage thingy''
?
So your suggesting Jiraiya should wait in a corner until Itachi just gives up?
Great battle plan, buddy.
Have you forgotten that Susanoo has, like, A SWORD, you know, that hit's things.
I doesn't matter how far J-man runs, Susanoo's reach [From what I can guess] is atleast that of a football field.
Jiraiya couldn't run fast enough to escape that.
You guys need to go over your facts, Jiraiya wouldn't stand a chance against Itachi, and it would be fight over once he pulled out even ONE of his MS techniques.
To me, this argument is almost one sided as it's so obvious Itachi would win.

 

[twistedlink]

for one im not the one rambling. and im NOT saying itachi is a dumbass. but if jiraiya had common sense (which he does) he would just hide til itachi drops susanou. then attack with his needle barrage thingy. which is too fast for itachi.

Again, reasons why youre rambling

1.You dont know the mathematical speeds of ninja, itachi is a very fast ninja, zetsu himself was surprised whenever sasuke landed a hit.

2.Jiraiya just sits down while itachi uses up all his chakra?? Again, why would itachi do this?

youre saying that youre not making itachi stupid, but itachi standing around with jiraiya in a corner, and wasting chakra to me sounds like youre making both ninja sound stupid, like qwertyhero states, that is the strangest and most fucked up battle plan ever.

WOW!! ur crazy to say that Itachi is the #1 strongest Ninja, When someone is trapped in a Genjutsu, u kinda have to over power it, n Jaraiya can do that, Itachi has a limit among of chakra bcuz he was always complaining about he has to rest everytime he used a techic, Unlike Jaraiya has large amongs of chakra becuz thats the only way you can learn Nature Chakra control. If sasgay and madara got away from amateretsu why could and exp. fighter like jaraiya cant?? Susano... j-man just has to trap him in a toads stomach n leave him their, J-,man thanks to pa and ma has one or the most powerful Genjutsu. Come on man down underestimate a fighter clearly in his prime that traveled and has lots of fighting exp. And dont compare Orochimaru wit J-man, Orochimaru has wasted most of his years tryin to be inmortal or live forever.

Read the manga, tsukyomi is only stoppable by another uchiha as he stated to kakashi, it is now evident that jinchuriki can do this too, tsukyomi is an extremely powerful genjutsu, 2nd to 1st (pa and ma frogs might be stronger)

Jiraiyas one weakness in terms of defence is genjutsu.

I say itachi is the strongest ninja ever because he has the strongest attacking legendary weapon-totsuka

And he has the strongest defending legendary armour-yatas mirror.

And on top of that

1.Hes the fastest or at least top 3 fastest estimate of all ninja we have seen in the naruto universe
2.He has an IQ that rivals shikamarus at the very least,he most likely has more
3.He can do all this even with a terminal illness
4.He has 3 of the greatest mangekyou sharingan techniques, one strongest genjutsu and the other strongest physical attack, plus a summon


With them 4 points alone, he ranks top 5, as soon as you add totsuka and yatas mirror into the equation he quickly goes to number 1.

Nothing can hurt him, therefore no one can win against him, only equalise, therefore-he ranks 1st, maybe 1st joint, but still first.



Dont get me wrong jiraiya would put up a great fight, but as soon as itachi pulls out susano equipped with the two legendaries...J mans time is up.

However i do believe itachi may just about get away with using his two other MS techniques, anyone hit by tsukyomi is done for

Sasuke never got over it, itachi purposefully let it off him, that was his plan.

People base too much of itachis skill when he fought sasuke, he was HOLDING BACK...a LOT.

Take what you saw in that fight, speed up his movement, and make him much smarter.

We saw when he went against kakashi that he wasnt giving kakashi enough time to even make seals, and kakashi is shitloads faster than sasuke.

Itachi wasnt holding back a bit, he was holding back a LOT.

Itachi is the guy who kept madara from destroying konoha temporarily until his death, madara only secretly made little plans, never action, madara was scared of itachis skills and power, itachi is disgustingly strong.

 

[musicgenesis]

guys...stop arguing...this is all a matter of our own opinion..u cant compare Itachi Pein and J-man coz of a few reasons.

1.Itachi hasnt fought with Pein and Jiraiya before.
2.Jiraiya didnt know about Pein's truth in the beginning of the battle.Thats why Pein was able to win.Even Pein admitted after the fight.
3.Itachi hasn't been seen fighting 100%
4.We haven seen Pein fight at 100 % too.

so u cant really compare them..But i would say Pein has an advantage coz he has 6 bodies to be exact and one of them can revive the dead or has incredible healing powers..but its juz an advantage tt can be beaten.

 

[moneyezzz]

Jiraiya wins

 

[BishamonSama]

Jiraiya > Itachi

Unfortunately, Jiraiya didn't try his hardest in the fight with Pein. It was pretty obvious when he left konoha that that was a final farewell.

 

[QwertyHero]

Bahh, me and Twisted should just stop trying, there's no convincing you guys.
Trust me, Itachi is far stronger than Jiraiya, Susanoo is invincible, thus, Itachi wins once he pulls Susanoo out.
The only way I could see Jiraiya winning, is if he could literally pull Itachi's eyes out of there socket.
And with Itachi's speed and ability, that would be quite the feat.

 

[NarutoDaHokage]

hmmm

 

[Steinbiz]

Bahh, me and Twisted should just stop trying, there's no convincing you guys.
Trust me, Itachi is far stronger than Jiraiya, Susanoo is invincible, thus, Itachi wins once he pulls Susanoo out.
The only way I could see Jiraiya winning, is if he could literally pull Itachi's eyes out of there socket.
And with Itachi's speed and ability, that would be quite the feat.

face it, most ppl know jiraiya wins. susanou isn't good enough to put him down. i think jiraiya could probably handle itachi without hermit mode if he had too. judging on how itachi was scared of him not even knowing about hermit mode. yes itachi isn't stupid, BUT JIRAIYA ISN'T EITHER. seeing how "LEGENDARY SANNIN" are named that because they are the 3 strongest shinobi in the village. is itachi a "LEGENDARY SANNIN"?....NO!!!!!! boohoo sorry

hmmm

by the way...........AWESOME SIG!!!!!!! made me ROFL for so long.

 

[twistedlink]

guys...stop arguing...this is all a matter of our own opinion..u cant compare Itachi Pein and J-man coz of a few reasons.

1.Itachi hasnt fought with Pein and Jiraiya before.
2.Jiraiya didnt know about Pein's truth in the beginning of the battle.Thats why Pein was able to win.Even Pein admitted after the fight.
3.Itachi hasn't been seen fighting 100%
4.We haven seen Pein fight at 100 % too.

so u cant really compare them..But i would say Pein has an advantage coz he has 6 bodies to be exact and one of them can revive the dead or has incredible healing powers..but its juz an advantage tt can be beaten.

Sorry, but i disagree, my job makes me get an unknown from knowns all the time, and i have to present a mathematical logical flow to get to that answer, its a fictional hypothetical, but from the battles seen its obvious who would win.

Itachi has yatas mirror, jiraiya cant land an attack on him, and last i checked to win a battle the ninja has to surrender, be unconcious, or dead, considering yatas mirror stops all them by counterattacking everything you do to it, id say itachi cant be hurt, ergo cannot be beaten.


I havent done this yet, but how old are you guys in this forum? and whats yourIQ?

Personal attack alert, but a lot of people here are being very dense.

It doesnt take a lot of intelligence to make itachi beat jiraiya when itachi has an item that stops him from being hit by attacks, am i the only one whos skull insides get this? (apart from those supporting me)


The reason its obvious itachi can beat pein is because, and please listen and try to absorb this logical flow.

1.Madara owns pein, Madara therefore is stronger than pein
2.Madara wants to total konoha
3.Itachi wants to protect konoha
4.Madara doesnt make a single move to attack konoha until itachi is dead.
5.Madara praises itachi and states he is an excellent shinobi

Logically itachi has enough power to stop madara totalling konoha at the least, as madara is stronger than pein, and itachi is as strong as madara logically, we use transitive inference (which comes around in the human brain around age 5, no joke, google it, thats a fact) and come to the conclusion that itachi is stronger than pein, and as pein is stronger than jiraiya, we get another nice A>B>C example.


Or, we could scrap the logic, and again, simply state itachi has yatas mirror, which, AGAIN, stops him from being attacked, itachi cannot be killed, he killed himself through his illness and his plan to give sasuke mangekyou sharingan.

Jiraiya > Itachi

Unfortunately, Jiraiya didn't try his hardest in the fight with Pein. It was pretty obvious when he left konoha that that was a final farewell.

This is just hilarious, he didnt fight his hardest? how??

He was running all over the place when pein was releasing summons and he himself said his hermit mode is practically useless against pein, Jiraiya had a choice, stay and figure out the secret and die, or run away, he didnt have the skill or power to defeat pein, only learn the secret just in time.

I doubt jiraiya was playing around in that kind of situation, seems like a dumbass thing to do, and jiraiya isnt a dumbass.

face it, most ppl know jiraiya wins. susanou isn't good enough to put him down. i think jiraiya could probably handle itachi without hermit mode if he had too. judging on how itachi was scared of him not even knowing about hermit mode. yes itachi isn't stupid, BUT JIRAIYA ISN'T EITHER. seeing how "LEGENDARY SANNIN" are named that because they are the 3 strongest shinobi in the village. is itachi a "LEGENDARY SANNIN"?....NO!!!!!! boohoo sorry

More proof you dont read the manga

They are the only sannin ever even though many ninjas are above sannin level because the hidden rain kage fought them and they survived, and dubbed them the 3 sannin of konoha, that doesnt change the fact that many ninja out there are stronger than them


Orochimaru in words stated itachi was stronger than him, in the original naruto anime and manga after the fight with the 3rd, when orochimaru tried to capture itachi, and itachi isnt called a sannin, orochimaru is.

Being called a sannin doesnt make you number 1, it means youre one of 3 people who survived hidden rains kage, no other sannin will exist.

you can have ninja at sannin LEVEL, kakashis dad was said to be on par with the sannin etc etc.


Again, itachi wasnt scared of him, itachi only fights when he has to

1.when kakashi persistently wouldnt let him go.
2.On orders by pein, and even then he only got ordered to because kisame wanted to go.


And the boohoo sorry part of the post still has rampant amounts of fangirl-esque brusque about them.

 

[musicgenesis]

i'd say jiraiya is better coz of sage mode.but i duno how he's gonna counter tsukuyomi amaterasu and susannoo..

like i said.they haven fought before so there's no knowing...

 

[twistedlink]

Oh yeah, i forgot the manga said sage mode can get through yatas mirrors defences.


Oh wait...no it didnt.

 

[musicgenesis]

it didnt.LOL

the only way to really know who is better if any journalist or anyone here goes to japan and ask Kishi himself...tts a 100% foolproof way i can think up of