Why these 6 paths are weaker
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blackbird31468
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you don't know how strong the so6ps' rinnegan was and i don't remember them ever saying that he was the only to fully master it so can you tell were exactly you read it.
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First of all, Sage of the Six Paths is the ultimate shinobi.
Secondly, no these Six Paths are not weaker. The eyes of the path are relative to the user of the technique. Madara only had his normal 3 tomoe sharingan active, but what else does he know? EMS. All paths possess EMS also, so he has both Rinnegan and EMS techniques. Though, Nagato use of the Rinnegan was limited, SO6P being a master of all ninjutsu could have been able to use such techniques with his true Rinnegan alone. But Madara needed his EMS in order to become more like the SO6P.
Secondly, no these Six Paths are not weaker. The eyes of the path are relative to the user of the technique. Madara only had his normal 3 tomoe sharingan active, but what else does he know? EMS. All paths possess EMS also, so he has both Rinnegan and EMS techniques. Though, Nagato use of the Rinnegan was limited, SO6P being a master of all ninjutsu could have been able to use such techniques with his true Rinnegan alone. But Madara needed his EMS in order to become more like the SO6P.
I think these pains are more equipped than nagato's pains, but this is more to with the number techniques that madaar could used as oppose how strong each technique is.
Three things separate them which makes these pains stronger,
1) These bodies are edo tensei, so that means its going to close to impossible to stop them. THey need to be sealed but this going to be next to impossible with madara controling them. And he knows about the sealing answer to his justu.
2) On top of each pain body having a rinnegan tech each they also have their own skills they had when they were alive. These guys are reveived, where in nagato's bodie were dead.
3) They also a sharingan so this could mean more abilties to use by madara.
These pains have more techniques at the disposable for madara to use. And therefore more haxxed for battle.
Three things separate them which makes these pains stronger,
1) These bodies are edo tensei, so that means its going to close to impossible to stop them. THey need to be sealed but this going to be next to impossible with madara controling them. And he knows about the sealing answer to his justu.
2) On top of each pain body having a rinnegan tech each they also have their own skills they had when they were alive. These guys are reveived, where in nagato's bodie were dead.
3) They also a sharingan so this could mean more abilties to use by madara.
These pains have more techniques at the disposable for madara to use. And therefore more haxxed for battle.
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The other six paths were commoners mostly now you're dealing with previously stronger vessels. Vessels that had always had a premium amount of chakra within them. If they are 'weaker' it's because of the lack of their biiju. (if they aren't in them) None of these 6 had an ocular juitsu so who knows how kishi will play it out..... He does have creative license so let's just see how this plays out.
1. That actually makes them weaker. Name a single edo tensei that's been stronger or even as strong as the original person.
2. Their own skills probably pale in comparision to the powers a rinnegan path would have had. Lets not forget, the akatsuki defeated all these jinchurikis, whereas to date nobody has ever beaten Pain(talk no jutsu does'nt count)
3. But possibly at the expense of some rinnegan abilities.
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True espically about the edo tensei summons comoared to the real think, like the case with first hokage and 2nd hokages, but I think in a large scale war more is simetimes better. You never know what he is could face, he's gonna need all different types techniques at this disposal. Nagato was fightingn a single village as oppose to now madara is fighting an allaince. Theres alot techniques out there and I think Madara needs everything as his disposal.
I think the fact they can't be killed the normal way is huge advantage putting side how strong the rinnegan techs turn out to be here.
Also from a plot perceptive it would be anticlimatic if they are alot weaker. It would be bumper. I actually wana see madara fight seriously for change.
MOre techs at disposal is a good point.
We have seen in the manga through out that sometimes it doesn't matter who was stronger as a shinobi but, their techs meet just the perfect counter and they are done. Shikamaru was able to counter Hidan by proper strategy even if on paper Asuma was much stronger. Orochimaru had a lot of jutsus and was unbeatable immortal in a way but, Itachi had a totsuka to deal with him alon with his MS. and so on..
So in a war where a lot of shinobies with different abilities are participating having a lot more techs at disposal will come handy.
As for these edo tenseis being less powerful than the actual shinobies that may be true but it really isn't that important in the war. The JAF are already down to half on the first day. So Madara did quite a damage the first day itself and all his actual loss were only replacable Zetsu clones.
He is not looking for total destruction of a gegraphical location like Nagato at this stage for his own people will be somewhere in there two and he would like some survivors to rule in the end.
We have seen in the manga through out that sometimes it doesn't matter who was stronger as a shinobi but, their techs meet just the perfect counter and they are done. Shikamaru was able to counter Hidan by proper strategy even if on paper Asuma was much stronger. Orochimaru had a lot of jutsus and was unbeatable immortal in a way but, Itachi had a totsuka to deal with him alon with his MS. and so on..
So in a war where a lot of shinobies with different abilities are participating having a lot more techs at disposal will come handy.
As for these edo tenseis being less powerful than the actual shinobies that may be true but it really isn't that important in the war. The JAF are already down to half on the first day. So Madara did quite a damage the first day itself and all his actual loss were only replacable Zetsu clones.
He is not looking for total destruction of a gegraphical location like Nagato at this stage for his own people will be somewhere in there two and he would like some survivors to rule in the end.
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Since they were hosts of the tailed beasts, they would have the powers they had before they died. Giving them the tailed beast power, a sharingan and a rinnegan and quite possibly not limited to one ability would make them allot stronger than pains 6 bodies who were limited to one ability each.
Also Naruto has defeated pain(the 6 bodies were defeated and Nagato surrendered, sure talk no jutsu but still a defeat) as well as Jiraiya would have beaten Pain if he knew Nagato's secret. Just because they have 2 rinnegans doesnt mean they will be more powerful. it all depends on how the user uses the eyes but we will have to see how it goes.
Also Naruto has defeated pain(the 6 bodies were defeated and Nagato surrendered, sure talk no jutsu but still a defeat) as well as Jiraiya would have beaten Pain if he knew Nagato's secret. Just because they have 2 rinnegans doesnt mean they will be more powerful. it all depends on how the user uses the eyes but we will have to see how it goes.
They are stronger? Maybe but only because now they have sharingan which gives them new powers besides the single abillity that each path of pain had that Nagato was controling, they can also use their original abillities that they had before death. Having both sharingan and rinnegan gives them a sight boost since rinnegan only has normal vision, other than the fact that theyre eyes are connected they can now read even the slightest movements. Why would you need two rinnegan one carries just as much power. The only way they would be weaker is if whoever is controlling them could not do it as well as Nagato. Who will it be Kabuto or madara/Tobi.
Animeisalive
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wow...i never thought about that...it is supposedly a uchiha secret..the only non uchiha that most likely knows about it is...the 1st hokage...and he's dead
but we can still assume the rinnegan is more powerful til we're showed the power of the ems...i find it hard to beat the power of life & death, but heyy...its whatever kishi wants to do
Kurisutina
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These guys may prove to be stronger as the Jinchuriki have been shown as being quite strong and the Rinnegan also has shown to give the hosts of the Paths to get new abilities. They also have the Sharingan so they can use that to their advantage, even to a slight one. I believe that these Paths are stronger because of their original hosts, the jinchuuriki, and not because of their eyes. Remember that the original Paths were just strong fighters not anyone capable of handling a sealed Tailed-Beast inside of them.
Actually its the other way round. Plot wise i think these 6 paths are useless/irrelevant to the main storyline. Naruto's ultimate adversary is'nt Madara, its Sasuke, their fight has been anticipated like forever. It would be kinda stupid to make Naruto sweat too much over them only to have to fight the big fight with Sasuke immediately afterward, in fact the Madara Naruto fight might not even happen. Remember the prediction of the Old Toad?
Spartan117
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When the bijju was extracted from the Jinchuriki's what happened to their bodies? Might be using that? I don't think madara stupid enough to use kabuto's IWR's. Who got control of these 6 paths now? Madara or Kabuto?
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I have lost some respect for you there in that post dude,
Before i get started in drilling your post, regarding the predictions of toad recently. How fast from that chapter did naruto meet bee? pretty fast, with the same logic the rest of the progecy would be comming sooner rather than later. Also young man with powerful eyes could mean Itachi(21 year old).
ALSO YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE MAIN PROFECY OF THE GEART TOAD, but will get to that.
Do you really think madara at the end of the day after all his planning is going to be overshadowed by sasuke of all people as the final villian. Comon dude, if thats not anticlimatic, then I don't what is.
Remember the bigger picture here dude about why Naruto is in the situation hes in to begin with.
Why is he the destined child?
Why is the fox in NARUTO?
Why is Madara refered to by Minato has the harbringer of darkness in jiraiya's profesy where Naruto is the destined one to stop him?
Why did minato say to naruto about his fight with madara the following "No one could ever face him(madara) without very unique set of abilities"? You think thats for sasuke someone who has been owned almost everytime he has fought recently.
Madara is the villain here not sasuke, sasuke is simply a toy for madara hes using him to attack konoha and if he attacks anyone during the war he would inciminated for the rest of his life, if not already by attacking the five kage. He would have no where to run but to madara who wants to sych him with gedo mazo and we saw what happened to Nagato when that happened, complete paralyzation of his body.
And speaking of "toy", why was itachi so worried about sasuke when it came to madara. Itachi went to great extremes to hid Madara from sasuke, why?
Think of sasuke as big side quest in a rpg game for Naruto. The philospotical and plot development comes from Madara not sasuke. Its like Naruto said to sakura he "wants to save sasuke for himself". Thats means make an example of sasuke that someone posioned from darkness where in sasuke's case is MADARA(remember this at all times from now on) can be saved. Which was the reason why Itachi was so worried about sasuke meeting Madara.
I could go on and on and on but you should see this pretty clearly.
And i forgot one thing, Madara gave emis to sasuke. Madara knows EMS the best now he has the rinnegan a superior eye. Sasuke just from that fact can't over power madara aswell.
Final words for summary, sasuke = side quest, madara = main quest.
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Ok, first up:
Madara has been shown to fight seriously about twice, once this is what happened:
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On both occasions he was forced to give up an arm, not exactly what you'd expect from someone who is to be considered the ultimate villain. Yes, i am aware what the 4th hokage said, but that was probably not referring to Madara's own fighting abilities per se, but rather about his capability to cause damage by using what you could call a proxy weapon. 16 years ago that weapon was the kyuubi, right now its Sasuke. Remember, Madara has himself said that he is a shell of his former self, one eye trasplant i do not think will change this that much.
About your Itachi refernce, same reasons. Madara's knowledge was/is his weapon, acquired over the years and Itachi knew this. Thats why he knew he'd find a way to manipulate Sasuke from his years of experience with people in such situations(remember how he got Kisame to join?) I still stand by what i said, that Sasuke is the main villain as far as the major fighting opponent for Naruto is concerned. Madara is more of a strategic and someone with extensive knowledge who can set things in motion, but from the evidence of the manga in this time line i conclude that attacking from the shadows, behind the scenes is the role he is meant to play. I wouyld'nt be surprised if kishi were to make Sasuke kill him at some future pont, of course this will only happen if Sasuke were to inherit his ambitions and plans ass well.
Peace.