And you are thinking how you were taught to think
I m the type who thinks rather then believe what science says n its a fact because science have limitations n these limitation cant give us answers to such questions...
Science:The Ultimate Question!
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I m the type who thinks rather then believe what science says n its a fact because science have limitations n these limitation cant give us answers to such questions...
There's nothing unique about being an atheist, there have been millions of atheists before you and there will be millions after. Stop trying to act so special, as if you were rising above the masses, as it were, by not believing in God.
That said, we all decide for ourselves what we want or don't want to believe.
Ok i already proved that this universe is created by some one and u say that universe is created that doesnt mean that God always have to exist then can u give me ans how this universe is created out of nothingness????
Professor Sarutobi
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nah it was stewie going back in time with brian and overloading the return pad
difference between science and dogma, you can redo science experiments to see if its true yourself you can't recreate "miracles" or the stories of the holy books. Experiments can be changed according to the results, the theory changes not the result. If we could 100% disprove without a shadow of a doubt that no God in any form exsists with science, religion would change the properties of god so they could still say hes real.And you are thinking how you were taught to think
I m the type who thinks rather then believe what science says n its a fact because science have limitations n these limitation cant give us answers to such questions...
This is the one and only truth U_U
And no one wins and no one loses U_U
I really am amused of the way you, having no proof of anything, start pointing and saying that people are idiots because they think something else?
Anyway, I do believe in the Big Bang, however I don't think it explains of how it all came out. It's quite abstract to think that everything was created of nothingness, but then, it the end it all comes to the idea that something came out of nothing. Because there should be something that is first, right? Then maybe that 'nothing' is something. But what? God? I try not to consider the idea of "God", if there was that powerful being, why would It go through Big Bang and so on to create a chaotic universe? Why would It create it in the first place if It leaves the rest to chance or does It control everything. And then again, why are we rational if It still controls us?
The only thing I can think of are elemental theories that could explain nothing.
Anyway, I do believe in the Big Bang, however I don't think it explains of how it all came out. It's quite abstract to think that everything was created of nothingness, but then, it the end it all comes to the idea that something came out of nothing. Because there should be something that is first, right? Then maybe that 'nothing' is something. But what? God? I try not to consider the idea of "God", if there was that powerful being, why would It go through Big Bang and so on to create a chaotic universe? Why would It create it in the first place if It leaves the rest to chance or does It control everything. And then again, why are we rational if It still controls us?
The only thing I can think of are elemental theories that could explain nothing.
Professor Sarutobi
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because its a lame reason, you can't see him hes not made of matter (doesn't exsist) isn't affected by time and space yet THAT makes more sense then "i don't know what started the universe, we weren't there"that is just running away from facts by giving lame examples
maybe it wasn't out of nothingness, you are willing to believe god always exsisted why not just believe the universe always exsisted, if god didn't have a begining why does the universe need to?
Dragon Lord
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yes but as you said, if this is the case, then why not say that god always existed?!
scientists have some kind of proof that the universe was born around 14 billion years ago, and before that it was heated mass, so if we assume that before that heated mass it had another form and it has been transforming and transforming infinetly, as in the universe evolving just like us, but with no begining and no end!, but the very fact that it transforms, tells us that there had to be something!, because transformations has to have a begining!, what was its original form and how did it come to be?? - so its better to say God created all!!
but i have some theories which im developing.., one of them is.., i tried to get as close possible to nothingness, and i came all the way back to one thing "a fact"
tell me, is fact or truth something or not?, well they are neither and both!, if something exists, then what is closest fact about it that makes it something? - the answer is, the "fact" itself (that it does exist) so in this case fact is something!
if there is "nothingness", then what can be there? - Nothing!, except for the "fact" again! the fact (that theres Nothing)
So a "fact", or "truth" is present in "Nonexistense", and "Existence", but in different meanings!!
Now, i know what you will think, that a fact or truth are just our thoughts! - they are not!! - because whether we think of it or not, a "fact" or "truth" still remains!! - independent of us!!
now i will not go deeper into it unless u ask me to, but my point is..
in this theory, i believe that "fact" or "truth" evolved and transformed into a "rule" - "Balance", and then because of the nature of balance, because even in this universe everything has a balance!!, where there is light, there is dark, where there is good there is evil, where there is space, there is time, there is gravity, and then there is anti gravity!, there is material, and then there is antimaterial!, where there is postive there is negative
, there is electron, and there is proton, and they also are made up of two quarks oposite of eatchother!, and so on and so on!!
and Since if there was only "Nonexistence", there had to be a balance!, the oposite was Born!! - and that is Existence!!, but it happens in stages and many transformations!!
i know this may be difficult to understand, and agree with, but remember, beyond the universe, the rules you know do not apply!!
That does'nt prove God exists. Truth is, nothing can prove or disprove it.I cant beleive that this universe is always created because universe[matter time and space] is finite and finite things always have beginnings
Professor Sarutobi
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the OP was asking about where the material FOR the big bang came from, aka how matter came into exsistence, lord of sages was saying God has always exsisted, negating having a begining in the first place so if hes putting made up rules to that why not just say the universe didn't come from something and it always exsisted rather then say 1 being always exsisted and made everything else after
to me it does if universe had a beginning then there is something that give it a start and yeah in boundaries of logic it does seems to be odd but if u think with open mind u will understand it
kickassjutsu
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Matter and energy are interconvertible, that's what einstein proved and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only changed from one form to another, so that answers that, but i still believe in God.
Professor Sarutobi
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so its just God thats infinite, isn't affected by anything humans think of blah blah blah yeah right, once again hes talking to my pet T.rex with the other imaginary friends.I cant beleive that this universe is always created because universe[matter time and space] is finite and finite things always have beginnings
and I said that on the first page along with the OP, matter can't be created or destroyed just changed to different forms.
Mahamed zh
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NO do you thing that we created just to live and finish?
no you are wrong we are in TEST
Good for you. But kindly refrain from calling everyone who believes in God an idiot, as doing that only proves that you are one. I don't appreciate what he's doing either, i.e: trying to impose his views on others.
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