Favorite Villain of All Time

[ShadowPossesion]

i would like to see a villian that kills the hero and then takes over the world because in real life the hero does'nt always win

 

[Rei]

If that is true then why do you find it ridiculous that I chose the Joker? Because he is a contemporary adaptation of of a character or role that has been previously thought of? Are you asking us all to be anachronists and live in the past? If you agree with the reasons why I chose him then it must be the medium, do you not see comics as having important literary value?

Hm... come again?

I hope you are all joking.Favorite villain of all time Lex Luthor? Or Madara? Or Orochimaru? That's ridiculous...

About the rest of your questions, which are very interesting indeed:

Since when is acknowledging the roots of things and try to redefine them in contemporary terms -taking into account that they still exist and are subjects of discussion- is called anachronism? What I mean to say is, that the true value of everything comes also from it serving as a reflection or representation of something else. Take art from example. What is art? For me, agreeing with W. Benjamin, art is the only way to reach the truth because art does not pretend to be a reflection of the truth. In the same terms the true value of Joker is that he represents our inner thoughts, the part of ourselves that is linked to violence, or that he reflects the decadence of our society. That's is his value...and being aware of the fact that these questions were posed by others, as back as 2,500 years ago- it shows something about humanity in its core. It shows that we all have to deal with this and it serves as proof and example of how some enlightened people raised these questions and we still have to deal with them.

By all means, everything that will make teenagers stop being in front of the computer has for me literary value. However, this value can be as an anti-paradigm. Take Twilight for example. If i was the mother of a teenage girl I would make her read this just to let her understand why it is so f* wrong to be okay with someone beating you during *** or why it is wrong to always have to chose a protector.
Everything is useful: as long as it makes you understand something about yourself or about the society you live in.

 

[Black Butler]

Pwnd? :|

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Hm... come again?



About the rest of your questions, which are very interesting indeed:

Since when is acknowledging the roots of things and try to redefine them in contemporary terms -taking into account that they still exist and are subjects of discussion- is called anachronism? What I mean to say is, that the true value of everything comes also from it serving as a reflection or representation of something else. Take art from example. What is art? For me, agreeing with W. Benjamin, art is the only way to reach the truth because art does not pretend to be a reflection of the truth. In the same terms the true value of Joker is that he represents our inner thoughts, the part of ourselves that is linked to violence, or that he reflects the decadence of our society. That's is his value...and being aware of the fact that these questions were posed by others, as back as 2,500 years ago- it shows something about humanity in its core. It shows that we all have to deal with this and it serves as proof and example of how some enlightened people raised these questions and we still have to deal with them.

By all means, everything that will make teenagers stop being in front of the computer has for me literary value. However, this value can be as an anti-paradigm. Take Twilight for example. If i was the mother of a teenage girl I would make her read this just to let her understand why it is so f* wrong to be okay with someone beating you during *** or why it is wrong to always have to chose a protector.
Everything is useful: as long as it makes you understand something about yourself or about the society you live in.

My question is why do you find it ridiculous that my favorite villain is the Joker? I agree with your estimation of his value but you say that we should give credit to the people who first thought up these themes, why? Because they were born before comics came out? The Joker has as much literary value as those other characters, just because he was invented in the 1930's doesn't detract from that.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Pwnd? :|

I don't understand, who was "Pwnd?" ?

 

[Anduril]

You can have your opinion without insulting mine, and have you actually read the Batman comics? If so then you would know all of the gruesome things that the Joker has done as well. He is also interesting because he is insane and likes to corrupt people. In an attempt to make Batman kill him the Joker beat and killed the second Robin(Jason Todd). He didn't just do that for the fun but to make Batman face a moral dilemma. Also once after Batman defeated him but refused to kill him the joker killed himself just to frame Batman. The joker has as much depth as any character you can toss my way.

I am having my opinion without insulting yours. Everyone is allowed their own personal choices, and so, my opinion is, that calling Lex Luthor a favorite villain is ridiculous. You can also say that my preference was ridiculous too and just end it here. If I can say something then so can you.
In fact I have read some of the Batman comics and, although i despise Batman as a character, Joker is very appealing to me - from a psychoanalytical point of view of course, because this is the only way all villains should be approached in films, fictions and literature.
It does not change the fact, however, that Joker -as most contemporary characters- is merely a synthesis of the archetypal dangers of taboo and an aesthetic representation of stories already told by someone else. And this replies to your previous post as well, which you directed to someone else; some things are trans-cultural and trans-historical, such as the archetypes I mentioned before and the Otherness of ourselves we find in villains.

If that is true then why do you find it ridiculous that I chose the Joker? Because he is a contemporary adaptation of of a character or role that has been previously thought of? Are you asking us all to be anachronists and live in the past? If you agree with the reasons why I chose him then it must be the medium, do you not see comics as having important literary value?

Also calling something that I think ridiculous is the very definition of insulting my opinion.

Hm... come again?



About the rest of your questions, which are very interesting indeed:

Since when is acknowledging the roots of things and try to redefine them in contemporary terms -taking into account that they still exist and are subjects of discussion- is called anachronism? What I mean to say is, that the true value of everything comes also from it serving as a reflection or representation of something else. Take art from example. What is art? For me, agreeing with W. Benjamin, art is the only way to reach the truth because art does not pretend to be a reflection of the truth. In the same terms the true value of Joker is that he represents our inner thoughts, the part of ourselves that is linked to violence, or that he reflects the decadence of our society. That's is his value...and being aware of the fact that these questions were posed by others, as back as 2,500 years ago- it shows something about humanity in its core. It shows that we all have to deal with this and it serves as proof and example of how some enlightened people raised these questions and we still have to deal with them.

By all means, everything that will make teenagers stop being in front of the computer has for me literary value. However, this value can be as an anti-paradigm. Take Twilight for example. If i was the mother of a teenage girl I would make her read this just to let her understand why it is so f* wrong to be okay with someone beating you during *** or why it is wrong to always have to chose a protector.
Everything is useful: as long as it makes you understand something about yourself or about the society you live in.

god the question was simple
the answer still lot simpler u dont have to start arguing even on Favourite villain now come on!!!
My list is this
1)This is unrivaled Adolf hitler if u want from films or elsewhere u can find a lot of them on his life and if u want a fictitious then there are many fiction about him saying that he was a demon
2)Following him on close second is the guys from that Hannibal lectre book they were freaking cannibals .......yewwww
3)Now here is an awesome guy i believe this spot is unrivaled and goes to joker the guy intends on destroying the very soul of good!!

"When the chips are down these .....errr. civilized people they will eat each other i am just a little ahead of the curve"-Joker
No one else makes this list though and i dont know many other villains and there deeds so i will stop!!

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

god the question was simple
the answer still lot simpler u dont have to start arguing even on Favourite villain now come on!!!
My list is this
1)This is unrivaled Adolf hitler if u want from films or elsewhere u can find a lot of them on his life and if u want a fictitious then there are many fiction about him saying that he was a demon
2)Following him on close second is the guys from that Hannibal lectre book they were freaking cannibals .......yewwww
3)Now here is an awesome guy i believe this spot is unrivaled and goes to joker the guy intends on destroying the very soul of good!!

"When the chips are down these .....errr. civilized people they will eat each other i am just a little ahead of the curve"-Joker
No one else makes this list though and i dont know many other villains and there deeds so i will stop!!

Hannibal Lecter is a great choice!! Why didn't I think of him?

 

[ShadowPossesion]

hey i like the joker. but rei all itachi namikaze wanted to know your fav villians so agree to disagree who is your fav villian rei?

 

[Rei]

My question is why do you find it ridiculous that my favorite villain is the Joker? I agree with your estimation of his value but you say that we should give credit to the people who first thought up these themes, why? Because they were born before comics came out? The Joker has as much literary value as those other characters, just because he was invented in the 1930's doesn't detract from that.

Dear Lord, are you that fixated on the character of Joker that you can't just understand a simple point?
Which part of 'being aware of the fact that these questions were posed by others, as back as 2,500 years ago- shows something about humanity in its core' don't you get?

 

[Dragon Lord]

I hope you are all joking.Favorite villain of all time Lex Luthor? Or Madara? Or Orochimaru? That's ridiculous...



No, he is not. Although he is an interesting character he is definitely not the epitome of a villain! There is no question that the epitome is Aaron the Moor from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus.

To give you a clue, his final words are, 'If one good deed in all my life I did, / I do repent it from my very Soule.' Amongst other things he convinces Demetrius and Chiron, the sons of the Queen, Tamora, to kill Lavinia’s betrothed, Bassianus, in front of her, just to make her grieve. They do this, then rape her and cut her tongue out and hands off, so she can’t tell. Aaron eats it all up.

Then he frames Titus’s sons for Bassianus’ murder, and lies to Titus, that if one of his family will cut of his hand and send it to the emperor, the emperor will spare his two sons. Titus complies, cutting off his hand, which is returned from the emperor, along with Titus’s sons’ heads anyway. Aaron all along knew this would happen and just did so to get pleasure out of it.

Joker compared to Aaron is no more than a brat.

Poor Girl....

 

[Cyborg]

Satan is technically the greatest villain of all time....what could be worse than trying to condemn everyone to the pit?

 

[Rei]

hey i like the joker. but rei all itachi namikaze wanted to know your fav villians so agree to disagree who is your fav villian rei?

Satan from Paradise Lost, by John Milton.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Dear Lord, are you that fixated on the character of Joker that you can't just understand a simple point?
Which part of 'being aware of the fact that these questions were posed by others, as back as 2,500 years ago- shows something about humanity in its core' don't you understand?

I'm aware that they were thought of before, I've already ceded that point all I'm asking is why you find it ridiculous that I like a contemporary incarnation of an archetypal role. You never answered that question but instead proceeded to go into a long-winded monologue about the past and getting kids away from the computer. I don't care about the Joker per-se I care about why you aren't accepting that comics are just as important and viable as things written in the distant past.

 

[ShadowPossesion]

so can my fav villian be the nine tailed fox?

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

so can my fav villian be the nine tailed fox?

Well that is really up to you now isn't it?

 

[ASSASIN KAKASHI SENPI]

Who is your number 4?

lol sorry its late mandara

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

lol sorry its late mandara

Madara? I think you are accidentally combining Manda and Madara there.
It would be cool if Madara actually turned out to be a 100 foot long snake though. xD

 

[Cyborg]

Ok this thread is about who you think the greatest top ten villains are. It can be from any medium, ie: comics, manga, t.v., movies, etc... just as long as they are actual villains. It would be cool if you said the reason for why you choose whoever as your ultimate bad guy.

Most of mine are from the DC universe,

#1. The Joker, he is just the epitome of a villain. Literally no remorse, insane, loves chaos and has no ulterior motives or goals other than wanting to wreak havoc.

Here are the rest of my top ten:
2.Darkseid
3.Magneto
4.Darth Vader
5.Lex Luthor
6.Doomsday
7.Sinestro
8.Orochimaru
9.Bane
10.Randall Flagg(The Man In Black from the Dark Tower books)

If we're talking about comics, how could you not include Apocalypse?

 

[Rei]

I'm aware that they were thought of before, I've already ceded that point all I'm asking is why you find it ridiculous that I like a contemporary incarnation of an archetypal role. You never answered that question but instead proceeded to go into a long-winded monologue about the past and getting kids away from the computer. I don't care about the Joker per-se I care about why you aren't accepting that comics are just as important and viable as things written in the distant past.

Because, they are all adaptations of something else. Also because, I care on how a story is being told. And finally, because they have yet to prove their importance in critical theory and viability in the next 2,500 years to come. Ask me then.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

If we're talking about comics, how could you not include Apocalypse?

I like him but he is just like the X-men's version of Darkseid. In fact Marvel has several versions of him so I just didn't want to put them in. Thanos is another.

Because, they are all adaptations of something else. Also because, I care on how a story is being told. And finally, because they have yet to prove their importance in critical theory and viability in the next 2,500 years to come. Ask me then.

So like I said before this is just you not accepting comics as a serious form of art and you believing that modern works aren't as important because they haven't been around for centuries. Your beliefs are yours to believe but I don't place worth on age. And just because something has been revamped doesn't mean it lacks substance. Many things take something previously thought of and add to it, change it. All the philosophical ideas of man have probably been thought of before, does that mean they are without worth?