[Theory] The Other Rinnegan
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Hey first of all it has never been implied that uzumaki bloodline is one of the 6 paths. if it was why wouldnt he have taken the needed dna from kushina when he stole the fox? she was said to be from an exceptional bloodline in the uzumaki bloodline. thats why she was used as a jinchuriki. it was the RINNEGAN that was the 3rd path Madara spoke of over Nagato's body. that was what he was so concerned about getting, not Nagato himself. He even said so to Konan.
Also the other Rinnegan isnt being used b/c of one simple thing. If Madara removed his right eye he would no longer be able to use his space/time ninjutsu. Everytime he warps himself or someone else its with his right eye's sharingan so to remove it would be to take away his greatest advantage on the battlefield and he's not ready to do that yet.
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Also the other Rinnegan isnt being used b/c of one simple thing. If Madara removed his right eye he would no longer be able to use his space/time ninjutsu. Everytime he warps himself or someone else its with his right eye's sharingan so to remove it would be to take away his greatest advantage on the battlefield and he's not ready to do that yet.
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I'm not sure if that is Madara's plan. The only way to achieve perfect EMS is to have an eye transplant from someone very close biologically. Yes, the regular sharingan can be transferred quite easily, but the EMS is only possible when the two in question are that close. Even then, it's a long shot. Because they seem to be distantly related and not within an immediate family, it would not make sense (at least not yet) for that eye transplant to create EMS once again. Even if it would work, it is still not likely. Orochimaru tried to do the same thing by attempting to take Sasuke's body, but Sasuke figured this out and betrayed and killed him. I'm almost certain that the same thing will happen between him and Madara, for Sasuke is the type of person that uses people to strengthen himself to realize his own goals.
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Okay, so, I've seen people asking "What happened to Nagato's other Rinnegan?", and I believe that I may have uncovered the answer.
What happened to the other Rinnegan is that Madara is keeping it in safe-keeping. For who? Himself. But why not just implant it right away? He can't just implant it right away, as he still needs the sharingan in his right eye. Why? Izanagi.
The Sage of Six Paths divided the ten-tailed beast into the nine tailed beasts with Izanagi. Therefore, in order to bring them back into one, Madara needs to use Izanagi. This also explains why he only needs small parts of the eight and nine tails. He will take the essence of their chakra and anything else that was sealed, and multiply it (with Izanagi) to create enough eight and nine tails to fully recreate the ten-tails (it's Izanagi, it can do anything!). Then he'll replace his sealed eye with the Rinnegan, restoring him to Sage powers. Almost.
Before he can do any of this, however, he needs to get the other three paths (he has Senju, Uchiha, and Uzumaki. He's missing three). When he get's these three paths, and enfuses his DNA with the missing parts, he will basically have the DNA of the Sage. This is important, as he needs to be as close to the Sage as possible in order to be the Juubi's jinchuriki.
The Juubi is much more powerful than any of the other tailed beasts (as it's a combination). This means that it takes a great power to keep control over it (ie. the Sage). Having the Sage's DNA will give him close to the Sage's power (as simply having the 1st's DNA implanted in them gives the user increased physical abilities, so on and so forth), and with the Rinnegan will allow him to be the ten-tailed host. He can't use Izanagi to recreate the ten-tailed beast until he can get the paths, as if he recreated the Juubi before he could be it's host, it would run rampat and destroy everything.
This theory also answers another common theory. "Will the statue be the new body of the Juubi?" Yes and no. Madara will use Izanagi to reshape the statue into the true form of the Juubi, with the sealed beasts within it, thus giving it the soul/chakra of the Juubi as well.
But wait, he has one sharingan left, and Izanagi lasts one minute per eye. How will he do all of this (turn the statue into the body, multiply the Hachi/Kyuubi, recreate the Juubi) in just one minute? The answer lies in the other three paths. Izanagi is first initiated through having Senju and Uchiha DNA (two of the paths). Having more than two of the paths may increase the abilities of Izanagi, allowing Madara to use it in a larger time frame, and in a large space (not just his personal space).
Now, with "What happened to the other Rinnegan?", "Will the statue become the new Juubi's body?", "Why did Madara only need little bits of the eight and nine tails?" and "How will Madara become the Juubi's host?" answered, there are a few more questions we need to be answered. "Who was in the last coffin?", and "What are the other three paths?". I don't know the answers to these, but at least I've been able to answer a few questions (most likely).
Ultimately, I'd like to ask one thing of you. After reading all of that, what do you think? Ask questions and pick apart my theory, I'd like to see if I can defend it.
But wait Madara does has Uzumaki samples. Nagato was an Uzumaki, so the cover it.
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I know why he took the rinnegan
He earlier mentioned the tablet or scroll that the 6 paths left behind and the only people who could read it were those with sharingan and rinnegan and there was some order like sharingan rinnegan then mangekyo.
The last coffin that u mentioned earlier couldnt be a hokage because all their souls are sealed so there is a slim chance it is the sage but i think that tobi is not madara except someone who claims to be madara. When he takes his mask off to kisame, kisame replies "so you really are tobi", but im not entirely sure. Anyways the last coffin could be the real madara since kabuto mentioned that he "goes by madara these days"
I know why he took the rinnegan
He earlier mentioned the tablet or scroll that the 6 paths left behind and the only people who could read it were those with sharingan and rinnegan and there was some order like sharingan rinnegan then mangekyo.
The last coffin that u mentioned earlier couldnt be a hokage because all their souls are sealed so there is a slim chance it is the sage but i think that tobi is not madara except someone who claims to be madara. When he takes his mask off to kisame, kisame replies "so you really are tobi", but im not entirely sure. Anyways the last coffin could be the real madara since kabuto mentioned that he "goes by madara these days"
All IWR's are brought back at their strongest point prior to their death. This does in fact mean that Izuna will be brought back with his MS at full power.
Well don't forget buddy that IWR's are absolutely permanent once they are summoned. It has been said that once an IWR is summoned, they will live on even if the caster is killed. Therefore, basically the only way to eliminate them is to seal them or permanently bind them. The Kinkaku brothers will be sealed in the statue, even in Kabuto doesn't want them too. And please don't say Madara should go after sora..... he's a filler character who doesn't exist, just like how Raiga isn't actually a 7NSW.
Your general theory is quite impressive, I think its very good. But I think, for now at least, Madara's main reason for holding on to his sharingan is for the purpose of using his teleportation jutsu. It's clear that that eye is the key to using that power and without it, he couldn't access his alternate dimension anymore. Perhaps this is the "completely new doujutsu" that was talked about in the manga and perhaps he kept the ability even after loosing his EMS
As for the whole Izangi/ recreation of chakra thing.... I'm a little skeptical. As of yet, we have never seen anyone use a Sharingan Izangi to create, only to cast a genjutsu on themselves. I honestly don't think that it will be used like that by Madara. Its logical at this point to believe that only a Rinnegan based Izangi can create anything long lasting. Therefore, I highly consider his sharingan worthless other than for the sole reason of casting his teleportation technique.
Like you said, we don't know whether or not an incomplete Rinnegan will go blind after using Izangi, but heres my theory. For me, a Sharingan based Izangi means a limited time of use, based on the user, and ensured blindness in that eye. Then an incomplete Rinnegan Izangi has access to 'creation' abilities and a limited time of use, but the eye does not go blind as a result. Finally, a fully powered Rinnegan on the level of the sage has access to creation and will not go blind in addition to unlimited use. What do ya think?
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Is everyone forgetting that a combination of eyes or people's abilities create new and more sophisticated ones?? I mean a sharingan and rinnnegan.... what new surprise is madara bringing to the table... both eyes are in his head which means they could combine to form something more powerful... so judging them separately is just limiting the possibilities.
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If Kabuto releases his impured world resurrection he's dead, Kabuto can't play with Madara, if he does it he's a fool!
Madara is controlling Kabuto 'cause Zetsu spores are placed in Kabuto's body.
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Daaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyum! That was alot to think about ! but me personally I think kishi laughing and gonna trow one of his classic twist in the mix and were all gonna be like aww man that's it! Lol
The theory sounds nce buy I believe that madara needs the izani for the fact that he doesnt need to loose the sharingan and the rennin.or w/e its called.it will stop tht from happening I think danzo or madara stated that during the sasuke vs. Danzo arc that u need senju and sharingan to do it bit that gives you a limited.time.and.closes the sharingan eye permemamtly thud he needs.the eye.other.wise.he.can't cast the.justu on the moon and he won't have time to implant another eye, also he needs.the.rennin of he wants.to.extract.any of the.demons because he won't have enough chakra if he doesn't have the rennin and all of this.must be done.in the time.span of the next.couple manga becuz he needs a full moon , personally I think that imo or her father need.to use there mind switch on the ooki guy and then go.wreck.kabuto bit ik its not. That.ez o yes I'm replying.on my phone.so.there..are.a lot of periods and.mispelling bit you should. Understand
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Idk, Its kind of difficult to assume what's about to take place next, but the theories are good. I'm always looking for a good one.WTH:nindaime:
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If Madara used Izanagi again he would no longer have any Sharingan and no conceivable way to cast Tsukiyomi (spelling) on the moon.
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im new to this, so forgive me if i go a little over-board. that being said, i'd like to start with. all these thoughts are great. i agree with all of it for the most part. my input ins't one of this current subject but i do believe it plays a part. tobi told naruto that he will make sasuke fight him, i believe for tobi to futher stregthn sasuke's new powers for his own future benifit ofcourse. that being said, as powerful as naruto is, and i'm a big fan of him and his powers. he wont be fighting his style of fighting, it will be an eye for a portion of the fight atleast. we've seen sasuke go into naruto's mind and fight of the nine-tails, so naruto will need something else.
what did itachi give naruto? imo it's not really that he gave naruto something, but that he unlocked something within naruto, what is it?
during the fight between tobi and konan, tobi explained to her that he was the one that gave nagato the rinnegan. if you read everything that tobi says (starting from him speaking to sasuke.) you can notice that he speaks as if he is omnicient and omnipotent, which is highly doubtful. so i believe that he didn't give him the rinnegan but unlocked it within him. why? he was just a random war orphan from a small village? he was an uzumaki, a clan that had been erraticated from the earth for the advance seal jutsu skills. i believe that with the uzumaki gene and ems has the ability to create the rinnegan. now it all comes back, what did itachi give naruto. nothing, but by using his ems he unlocked within naruto the rinnegan. why haven't we seen it yet? imo it's because he hasn't exprienced a tragic moment in his life yet. yes, his master died, but he was not there to see it first hand. it was said that nagato witnsed his parrents being killed and with him being the next in line his rinnegan came to effect. i believe naruto rinnegan will activate when he witneses a close friend's death during this war, or maybe when tobi takes sasuke's eyes.
there you have it. forgive me if i was a bit out there, it's just my opinion. i can't wait to here your thoughts on this.
what did itachi give naruto? imo it's not really that he gave naruto something, but that he unlocked something within naruto, what is it?
during the fight between tobi and konan, tobi explained to her that he was the one that gave nagato the rinnegan. if you read everything that tobi says (starting from him speaking to sasuke.) you can notice that he speaks as if he is omnicient and omnipotent, which is highly doubtful. so i believe that he didn't give him the rinnegan but unlocked it within him. why? he was just a random war orphan from a small village? he was an uzumaki, a clan that had been erraticated from the earth for the advance seal jutsu skills. i believe that with the uzumaki gene and ems has the ability to create the rinnegan. now it all comes back, what did itachi give naruto. nothing, but by using his ems he unlocked within naruto the rinnegan. why haven't we seen it yet? imo it's because he hasn't exprienced a tragic moment in his life yet. yes, his master died, but he was not there to see it first hand. it was said that nagato witnsed his parrents being killed and with him being the next in line his rinnegan came to effect. i believe naruto rinnegan will activate when he witneses a close friend's death during this war, or maybe when tobi takes sasuke's eyes.
there you have it. forgive me if i was a bit out there, it's just my opinion. i can't wait to here your thoughts on this.
Naruto eventually unlocking the Rinnegan is a pretty old theory nowadays, but you did a good job of explaining your thoughts on it, well done. A lot of people think that Itachi's gift relates to just that purpose, Naruto awakening Rinnegan, but I highly, highly doubt that claim. Most likely his gift to Naruto is some way of countering the power of a sharingan and maybe Sasuke's sharingan in particular.
As for Naruto not experiencing a traumatic experience since receiving the gift, I have to disagree. Naruto not having witnessed his teacher's death is an important note, but keep in mind that Sasuke didn't awaken his MS until he learned the truth about itachi. The extreme sorrow he felt having thought clearly about Itachi's sacrifice is what caused him to awaken it, not Itachi's actual death. The same can go for Naruto's reactions regarding Pain's atrocities. There were various moments where Naruto went insane having experienced Pain's ideology first hand. He couldn't believe that pain was so heartless in regard to killing people and he was reacting very strongly to that. Not to mention he went even more crazy when Pain took down Hinata...
What I'm getting at is that if he were to awaken Rinnegan it should have already happened. I really think that something external, not in Naruto's control, will trigger the 'gift'. Something like a sharingan genjutsu of Sasuke's.
My last point is quite simple......Wouldn't that suck if Naruto did awaken Rinnegan? I mean come on that would ruin the story. I mean pain looked cool with the Rinnegan but Naruto with it? It would not be a pretty sight. It just doesn't match the character and it doesn't match the vision of the Narutoverse that Kishi has given us. The theory is logical to a degree, don't get me wrong, but there is no way Naruto will awaken Rinnegan.
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