I can defend everything ive said, im choosing not to because i wont debate with someone who makes them self out to never be wrong and im not attacking, just giving advice. Im done talking to you on any post/thread henceforth. You're one of those people that i just cant respect in this world and i mean that in the nicest of ways, i truly do.
I accept I'm wrong when I am. But, we are not discussing any facts where either of us could be wrong or right. We were exchanging opinions.
As for respect from you- I don't really care. You haven't shown much debating skill. You ignore half the arguments if they don't suit you and keep repeating the issues over and over whether anybody is challanging that one or not. (like Sasuke's righ of what he is doing- I never ever went into that).
Then you call names and make personal attacks that's not cool and rather childish.
As for your advice - you are not competent enough for it. Sorry.
I accept I'm wrong when I am. But, we are not discussing any facts where either of us could be wrong or right. We were exchanging opinions.
As for respect from you- I don't really care. You haven't shown much debating skill. You ignore half the arguments if they don't suit you and keep repeating the issues over and over whether nobody is challanging that one or not. (like Sasuke's righ of what he is doing- I never ever went in that).
Then you call names and make personal attacks that's not cool and rather childish.
In that case stop replying to me especially when I'm not even addressing you. (See the top quote - Don't try to have the last word just for the sake of it)
So I probably am not the first person to ask this question but does anyone else think its crap how Sasuke's powers are just unfair? I mean I could go on and on but the long, short of it is, he developed Sharingan, and the initial powers of the Sharingan are vague at best, the consensus being "they have the power to see the flow of chakra" so basically every time Sasuke's Sharingan upgrade in part 1, he gets sort of an unexplainable boost in power (strength, speed etc) just because of his eyes. But then in part two it gets even more ridiculous with the Mangekyo Sharingan. I mean, I'm not disputing that Sasuke, shouldn't be powerful at all but it seems like half the time its the involuntary actions of his eyes that give him his skill.
I mean for example, I just watched episode 209
and Danzo TOTALLY had the drop on him at some point, I mean the look in Sasuke's eyes was like "holy shit I am so about to die" (I'm not a Danzo fan or anything but still) and through NO action or intent of his own Susanoo just protects him.
I mean its a little ridiculous, with Itachi at least we had some boundaries, he would get tired after using both Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu (spelling?) in the same day and Susano'o was his final trump card and itachi was vomiting blood because it took such a toll on his but Sasuke just does it any time he's in a bit of a bind. I mean I guess it just irks me to see Naruto work his ass for for 400 and some episodes and then FINALLY gets somewhat strong (except he still usually gets his ass kicked when it comes to anything but raw strength and power) but Sasuke matches every step and then some; by what appears to be genetic luck. :flaw:
I know i rambled a bit but I'm curious about how people feel about this.
yeah, i personally think its rather ridiculous that a person eyes can enable them to posses so much power. i mean there seems to be no real technique to unlock sharingan or ms, its more like an involuntary action that happens when a uchia gets mad. as a result they unlock this awesome amount of tech's and abilities lol (how shallow is that).
anyway i think saskue has really been through alot, i dont blame him for wanting to restore is uchia name, and taking revenge on the people, involved in the slaughtering of his people.
Family that was going to rebel and start a civil war? Going to start blood shed in the village because it felt slighted?
The reason it was being suspected was Kyuubi attack. Uchihas were surprisingly not in the picture defending the village when in attacked. An Uchiha was directly involved in the whole destruction even though rest of the clan might have no idea about it. It was Madara who framed them. Not the villagers.
Only person who knew Kushina was going to give birth was Sasuke's Mother and Elders knew it. They might have been wrong but they had a reason to suspect Uchihas.
Uchihas were trying to use Itachi to spy on Ambu as well. Itachi was not happy with this situation and pressure either. Uchihas made his best friend spy on him. How Itachi must have felt when he found that out?
The situation was complicated as it was. Head strongness and rigidness of Danzou and elders didn't improve it. And Madara manipulate the situation to the maximum. Sasuke going with Madara is not a wise decision if he would use an ounce of the genious he is creditted with..
Itachi didn't trust Sasuke's wisdom himself and chose Naruto as fail safe.
You have more than once stated on NB that it's Redeemption of Sasuke factor which makes the manga called Naruto interesting to you. That means you yourself accept that Sasuke needs to redeem himself and his behaviour is not all that justfied - That my friend is the bottomline.
Senju clan always ruled and wanted to strip the Uchiha clan from their rights as it was declared by Madara but then some of the Uchiha clansmen understood it later, then they wanted to organize a coup d'etat! You think that is unfair when a clan endures someones rules and policies, when that clan with the Senju found Konohakagure? Senju never respected the Uchihas and even if the Senju were disappeared as a clan their legacy never died .The Uchiha had a chance to revenge and the Konoha's Elders orders Itachi to wipe out the Uchiha clan just like that...JUST LIKE THAT ?!?!?!?! The UCHIHA were "slaves" and SASUKE NOW wants to avenge and you call it BOTTOMLINE ?
Well Sasuke's behaviour IS JUSTIFIED.
Back to the topic
Sasuke trained since he was young just to avenge his clan by killing Itachi, it was hatred that made him strong, made him to try even if he was tired. I agree that in some of his fights he escaped or in Itachi case which Itachi gave his power to Sasuke.He escaped from Deidara explosion.
He escaped from Danzo's jutsu and Danzo died
But think it as an reward for his training and his power can't be unfair if he tried and practiced but his power would've been unfair if he would take Itachi's power and would've won battles when he never deserved to.
But the thing is that sasuke has fought alot more battles than naruto has and he has fought alot stronger enemies than naruto has. And sasuke has killed really important people, such as danzo, which he killed by himself without interference or help. Naruto beat pain with help from tsunade's slug, gamabunta and the other toads, the old frog ma and pa, hinata (kinda) and the fox. and that's the only real significant fight he's had
Dude are you just here to rag on people without actually giving an opinion? Except for saying this thread is pathetic, if you think its pathetic than stop watching and replying.
true but remember naruto won his first fight with no help and he won other fights with no help and won without a sweat sasuke always had help all tho with deidara he didnt have help but he almost died he had enough chakra to teleport away but anyways yea i agree naruto did had allot of help but u know him being the main character he would of won regardless of help or no help dude but u have to admit narutos battles where more epic
Actually in a way Sasuke did have help beating Deidara, after Sasuke hopped into Manda's belly, Suigetsu had to summon Manda (and therefore Sasuke back), now I'm not sure what would've happened if Suigetsu hadn't done this, but Suigetsu seemed sorta panicked so I can't imagine it was good for Sasuke to be in Manda's realm (and stomach)
Actually in a way Sasuke did have help beating Deidara, after Sasuke hopped into Manda's belly, Suigetsu had to summon Manda (and therefore Sasuke back), now I'm not sure what would've happened if Suigetsu hadn't done this, but Suigetsu seemed sorta panicked so I can't imagine it was good for Sasuke to be in Manda's realm (and stomach)
sasuke gets stronger with hate/delusion, and naruto.. with love or whatever. that's that, it would be unfair for them both to neglect that super cool skill
Naruto earned sage mode and can't even use it fully because of the nine-tails. It is a burden to him since it used to take some of his own chakra to suppress it. Sasuke had and has no such burdens other than not having the same amount of chakra as Naruto, which he wouldn't have had anyway. Sasuke was given everything, he is a good ninja but without the sharingan he wouldn't be where he is, whereas Naruto would still have learned sage mode on his own and then would be able to use it fully.
Dude are you just here to rag on people without actually giving an opinion? Except for saying this thread is pathetic, if you think its pathetic than stop watching and replying.
I've given my opinion countless times on here dude. You naruto fanatics just write it off as me being wrong, call me a fanboy then ignore ALL the points i make. Just like you are now, i have stated my opinion PLENTY of times, obviously you dont know whats going on
Actually in a way Sasuke did have help beating Deidara, after Sasuke hopped into Manda's belly, Suigetsu had to summon Manda (and therefore Sasuke back), now I'm not sure what would've happened if Suigetsu hadn't done this, but Suigetsu seemed sorta panicked so I can't imagine it was good for Sasuke to be in Manda's realm (and stomach)
Suigetsu didnt have to summon it and if you are actually ruling that as help then how about you go watch ALL of narutos fights and see just how much help he had
He's not emo. He's freaking sad and pissed. If your family died for a selfish cause and you grew up on a huge lie, wouldn't you be sad and pissed as well? And so what if he barely makes it out, point is, HE MAKES IT OUT! How many times has naruto barely made it out? Nearly every fight. He would've lost to pain if not for hinata and the fox. If sasuke is overrated then so is naruto if not, than more.
He's not emo. He's freaking sad and pissed. If your family died for a selfish cause and you grew up on a huge lie, wouldn't you be sad and pissed as well? And so what if he barely makes it out, point is, HE MAKES IT OUT! How many times has naruto barely made it out? Nearly every fight. He would've lost to pain if not for hinata and the fox. If sasuke is overrated then so is naruto if not, than more.
their both overrated not saying its a bad thing and being sad and pissed all the time means emo dude look it up most emos cut them selfs for that same reason because their sad and angry at something i do not blame them one bit they have their reasons but i for one think cutting is never the option to solve things in sasukes case in my opining he has trouble doing allot of things his to cocky at times so is naruto but not as much and i personality think naruto could of won without hinatas help it was kishi's decision to make it look like hinata helped naruto i also believe kishi could of done a better job on that battle but i do not do mangas but i have a different opining on that
sauske's got some real issues and danzo's right about him that he just smashes anyone that he can lay his hands on. and the uchiha clan are twisted, its in there genes and this is already said by madara himself as he explains the story of the 2 brothers. so i wouldnt blame the elders and whoever was in involved in killing the uchiha. one rotten apple in the barrell spoils the rest of them.
Yeah I agree with this, Sasuke doesn't really seem to have any tangible goal, I mean he says that his goal is (and I'm paraphrasing so don't get pissed if its not perfect) 'I want revenge on all of the leaf village for enjoying the peace that my clan was sacrificed to create. Now what does he expect from the village? They had no idea that Itachi was ordered to kill the clan, they also had no idea of the Uchiha planning a rebellion, so they just figured it was one lone psychopath responsible for killing his own clan. So seriously, I mean are they supposed to NOT enjoy the peace they had? Even though to them, they had no idea the Uchiha were massacred to get it? I mean its ridiculous, how can you hold the villagers responsible when they had no idea of any of this stuff. And now even though he killed Danzo (the main target of his revenge), he still wants more. I mean my question for Sasuke is, why are you still fighting for/with Madara? Before, he had resources and info to get Danzo and take him out, thats done so I see no reason for you to fight for him especially considering that he is (in my opinion) just as much to blame for the Uchiha massacre as Danzo.
