Theory:Why Naruto must die and the secrets about Madara

[-Hades-]

Well it is a nice theory... but just that. And i don't find it to be true, and i have reasons for that:
1.It was stated in the manga that a tailed beast cannot die, nor can it be sealed away for good or get rid of it by any means. Even if you kill it (let's assume you can do that) or seal it (like with the dead reaper seal) it will just reappear.
2.You said that Madara wanted to get back his Yang part from the kiuby, and that he had that change when he attacked Kushina right? Then let me ask you this: why didn't he just leave with the fox under his control, regain his powers and attack later? that would have been the best attack plan.. and don't tell me that he didn't think of it because as we have seen Madara is a mastermind.
3.You said that he linked his Yang chakra to the kiuby in his Fight with the first hokage right? When could he have done that? in the middle of the fight? don't think so, he wouldn't have had enough time because it would require some kind of jutsu or a seal or something. It is not something that you can do in an instant.
And about Madara's connection with the kiuby as far as we know it he was the only person who ever had the power to CONTROL/Manipulate the kiubi, (the first had the power to restrain it, and hold it down with his wood jutsu, doubt that he could toy with it like a pet the way madara does) and that's about it, nothing more was stated.
About his imortality? well it would make more sense that he gained that with the use of the first hokage's dna... using the plant he created in someway. Also the plant thing and Madara have something to do because we have seen that that is the way he is replacing missing limbs.
Well that's my opinion at least

 

[mustafagrbz]

Well it is a nice theory... but just that. And i don't find it to be true, and i have reasons for that:
1.It was stated in the manga that a tailed beast cannot die, nor can it be sealed away for good or get rid of it by any means. Even if you kill it (let's assume you can do that) or seal it (like with the dead reaper seal) it will just reappear.
2.You said that Madara wanted to get back his Yang part from the kiuby, and that he had that change when he attacked Kushina right? Then let me ask you this: why didn't he just leave with the fox under his control, regain his powers and attack later? that would have been the best attack plan.. and don't tell me that he didn't think of it because as we have seen Madara is a mastermind.
3.You said that he linked his Yang chakra to the kiuby in his Fight with the first hokage right? When could he have done that? in the middle of the fight? don't think so, he wouldn't have had enough time because it would require some kind of jutsu or a seal or something. It is not something that you can do in an instant.
And about Madara's connection with the kiuby as far as we know it he was the only person who ever had the power to CONTROL/Manipulate the kiubi, (the first had the power to restrain it, and hold it down with his wood jutsu, doubt that he could toy with it like a pet the way madara does) and that's about it, nothing more was stated.
About his imortality? well it would make more sense that he gained that with the use of the first hokage's dna... using the plant he created in someway. Also the plant thing and Madara have something to do because we have seen that that is the way he is replacing missing limbs.
Well that's my opinion at least

1.Then explain why Fox Doesnt want Naruto to die? I mean it could reappear after Naruto dead and dont give examples of other Beasts that aids their hosts as Bee stated we know that fox is unique even amongst them
2.Revenge to Konoha maybe? and just underestimation of Minato since he is very clever to figure out that masked guy is Madara which Madara doesnt expect that this secret comes out

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3.Well we dont what full power Madara is capable of but I believe he can use a seal even in a fight with First Hokage(I am not stating that he used seal with kyuubi chakra bondage thing)

 

[mysteryakatsuki]

naruto will never die name a few title characters that have died huh....! yeaah i dont think sooo!
i like ur theory will consider
btw romeo and juliet old yeller T_T

 

[mustafagrbz]

naruto will never die name a few title characters that have died huh....! yeaah i dont think sooo!
i like ur theory will consider
btw romeo and juliet old yeller T_T

how about Macbeth?

 

[shadedcrow]

The nine tailed beast isnt a naturally occuring phenomna, It was created from the ten tailed beast by the Sage of the Six Paths. And the origional Madara Uchiha was a decendant of the Sage as well.

And how would Madara link his soul/chakra to the nine tailed beasts chakra with out being a jinjuriki?

theory is bunk imo. Runs on assumptions(the linking of the tailed beasts chakra is the biggest one) and isnt much other that rhetoric. with quotes from the manga and anime to make it seem less but its not really.

 

[-Hades-]

1.Then explain why Fox Doesnt want Naruto to die? I mean it could reappear after Naruto dead and dont give examples of other Beasts that aids their hosts as Bee stated we know that fox is unique even amongst them
2.Revenge to Konoha maybe? and just underestimation of Minato since he is very clever to figure out that masked guy is Madara which Madara doesnt expect that this secret comes out

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3.Well we dont what full power Madara is capable of but I believe he can use a seal even in a fight with First Hokage(I am not stating that he used seal with kyuubi chakra bondage thing)

1.Maybe it doesn't know that it will reappear.. i doubt the kiuby ever died before lol.
2.I think that something like missing half of your soul/body/chakra would me more important than revenge.

 

[shadedcrow]

When did the nine tailed fox say it didnt want Naruto to die? dosent it try and destroy Naruto when he and Kruishna removed the seal and Naruto made his own seal?

 

[knoc15]

If Konan killed Madara then it means that she killed only the body he posseses his Yin would still exist since his Yang still exist in Naruto. I think he don't want to lose his body atm that's all why he got worried about Konan's technique

Well you see, this argument is also a weak spot.. you say that if the kyuubi dies (madara's spirit form) dies, his body (the manifestation of tobi) also dies.. but if he looses his body (from konan's jutsu) he will still live because the kyuubi spirit still lives? does'nt it contradict each's reasoning? you lost me there..

I think madara used izanagi simply because hes saving his life.. if you're theory is correct, and madara surely knows it, he won't go as far as sacrificing his eye..

 

[mustafagrbz]

Well you see, this argument is also a weak spot.. you say that if the kyuubi dies (madara's spirit form) dies, his body (the manifestation of tobi) also dies.. but if he looses his body (from konan's jutsu) he will still live because the kyuubi spirit still lives? does'nt it contradict each's reasoning? you lost me there..

I think madara used izanagi simply because hes saving his life.. if you're theory is correct, and madara surely knows it, he won't go as far as sacrificing his eye..

No dude you got it all wrong all I'm saying that the body he uses is not his(like possesion or using the body).So destruction of that body does not kill his Yin.

 

[mustafagrbz]

The nine tailed beast isnt a naturally occuring phenomna, It was created from the ten tailed beast by the Sage of the Six Paths. And the origional Madara Uchiha was a decendant of the Sage as well.

And how would Madara link his soul/chakra to the nine tailed beasts chakra with out being a jinjuriki?

theory is bunk imo. Runs on assumptions(the linking of the tailed beasts chakra is the biggest one) and isnt much other that rhetoric. with quotes from the manga and anime to make it seem less but its not really.

Actually it is a natural occuring phenomna as stated in narutopedia link I gave and the saying of 'natural ocuuring phemona' does not mean it is created in natural ways it's just saying that his attack's and sighthings are natural occuring like disasters.

About the part where you say that theory is bunk because it runs on assumption and it is theoratical.Well if it was not that way I would call it Fact not Theory in the title on the otherway I tried to give some logs with quotes and links yes.

 

[mustafagrbz]

1.Maybe it doesn't know that it will reappear.. i doubt the kiuby ever died before lol.
2.I think that something like missing half of your soul/body/chakra would me more important than revenge.

1.I don't think that fox continuing(spelling) his existance without the knowledge of it's ressurection ability.

2.About that you maybe right since I believe this is the only soft spot in theory but not a disproving fact x)

 

[mustafagrbz]

When did the nine tailed fox say it didnt want Naruto to die? dosent it try and destroy Naruto when he and Kruishna removed the seal and Naruto made his own seal?

Somewhere in Part 1.Yes it tried to destroy them because by killing Naruto in his 'inner battle' fox can come out or fox can come out by Naruto's overusing of fox chakra